How are AMD drivers these days?

[lexluthermiester]

reviewers will never tell you the drivers are shit because you dont bite the hand that feeds you. no reviewer who is not buying his cards for reviews is trust worthy especially since you have to sign a paper with nvidia that goes far beyond typical ndas.

This only proves that you've never reviewed anything professionally. First off, drivers are a variable, everyone knows that. Glitches or problems in the drivers will always be worked out. Second, No manufacturer is going to get nasty with a reviewer because they mention bad drivers. It happens all the time, to no ill effect. To do so would not only be very short sighted, but counter productive. Third, any reviewer that buys their own samples has no connection with the manufacturer anyway, so it's a non-issue.

Almost all tech reviewers have a strict non-interference, non-favoritism policy, and you read/hear that generally before each review. You won't see that here at TPU because EVERYONE in the industry knows W1zzard will not allow it. Any manufacturer who tried swiftly gets a proverbial foot in their ass and in a few cases, blacklisted from the site. It doesn't happen very often, but it has happened. There are some good sites out there just like there are some good YouTube channels. TPU is one of the safe ones. You come here and you can safely expect information and reviews that are objective, unbiased and impartial.

What I would REALLY like to see, is a yearly(or semi-yearly) deep dive review of GPU drivers/control panel settings & options for each card maker. It's an involved task, but no one is doing it and it's something that needs to be done.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

True because you cant buy me. Keep believing them. At least i saw what is signed in real life. Reviewers who get sample before release are nothing more than the extended arm of the marketing.

 

[Franz]

Drivers are fine but:

• You will certainly long for DLAA. In some games, native TAA is pure rubbish and you will be constantly distracted by shimmering and flickering. FSR is stone age behind, it won't help with that. Your only hope is XeSS.
• You will certainly run into major problems if you decide to enable heavy ray tracing. Even 7900 XTX is basically impotent in this regard.
• Some games crash drivers if you enable vsync. Very rare but happens more often than on nVidia.
• Some ancient games either straight up don't work or are broken.
• There is no "don't revert my OC settings every time the system crashes" and it majorly sucks because 99% cases of crashes are unrelated to OC but rather related to badly optimised games.

This is such relevant!

As a 1080p player AA still VERY necessary almost 95% of games and its worst headache that I facing (or hopefully faced from now), most games do not eliminates 100% of jagged edges and cause a such and nasty blur, all image sharpness disapears and most cases I was forced to face that chain saw made edges but sharp image. DLAA is a life saver and I hope it will be implemented in all games from now, it works better than AA and dont add tons of blur. Tested it in starfield and worked like a dream, all in that game runs like a dream pity the game is very bad overall.

I dont plan to move from 1080p I use 24" display and the pixel pitch is perfect for its size, so DLAA forever

And about ray tracing is the same old history, 20 years ago I remember when shader model 3.0 was released and gf6000 series was capable to run while ati x000 not. I remember my 6600gt running age of empires 3 very bad and people with their x850gto are lauging and telling "its not necessary, not relevant and pure power matters". The point that only matters is: games and features must evolve! Ray tracing on rtx2000 series was a joke in frames droping but now with rtx4000 series I can play everything maxed out even without a flagship gpu, the same occured in past after jumping from 6600gt to a 8800gs and running all games maxed out (not such high framerate but very fluid gameplay). I will never buy a generation of gpu which have a new big change again, always it have to be refined and now I see no reason to not go with rtx4000 series.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Keep believing them.

Keep believing reviewers that prove up with factual info and data that I can and have replicated? You can bet your twig and berries I will.

Reviewers who get sample before release are nothing more than the extended arm of the marketing.

Wrong. Reviewers who get samples before they are released because they are PROFESSIONALS doing a job.

Manufacturers send out samples hoping to compete well. They send out samples because (A.) no reviewer or company doing reviews professionally can afford to BUY every damn part that comes out on the market and (B.) it is a logical way to get your products seen, even IF your particular product isn't well received by the reviewer. Most manufacturers know this and can afford to send out samples to everyone who will take them.

Why you ask? Simple, exposure is still exposure. Even IF the reviewer gives an item a thumbs down, not everyone will agree with the reasonings of that reviewer.

I personally have purchased items that were given poor ratings because the product did something I needed it to do. Reviewers aren't always in the same frame of mind as the whole of their audience and they don't always have the proper context for what a certain product can do. In this perspective, any review that examines the feature set of a product is a good review, even if the reviewer doesn't like it.

THAT is why samples are sent out.

Now, we've strayed from the topic just a little bit, let's rope ourselves in so the mods don't have to do it for us..

 

[Vya Domus]

The point that only matters is: games and features must evolve!

Except that back in the day the games that would run badly on your current gen hardware would very soon run fine on the next gen hardware. That hasn't happened with RT, in fact it's getting worse with things like path tracing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That hasn't happened with RT, in fact it's getting worse with things like path tracing.

You mean Radeon raytracing? For the RTX line-up that would be a silly statement, but I thought that the Radeon version of RTRT was improving. Is that not true?

 

[Vya Domus]

You mean Radeon raytracing? For the RTX line-up that would be a silly statement, but I thought that the Radeon version of RTRT was improving. Is that not true?

Games today absolutely do not run better than they did back in 2018 with RT, even on Nvidia. That's why Nvidia introduced the frame generation thing, because the games that they are sponsoring like Cyberpunk/Portal/whatnot are becoming literally unplayable without it if you enable all the RT features that they also use in their marketing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Games today absolutely do not run better than they did back in 2018 with RT, even on Nvidia.

OH that's complete nonsense. I have 4 RTX cards in my home. They most certainly run better now than when new. My 3080 spanks my 2080 handily. And I regularly run benchmarks to check continuing performance. It's improved not gotten worse.

That's why Nvidia introduced the frame generation thing, because the games that they are sponsoring like Cyberpunk/Portal/whatnot are becoming literally unplayable without it if you enable all the RT features.

No, you've missed some context somewhere. I don't use DLSS at all. But I also don't use AA in any form. I run native and always have. Performance has consistently improved in the last 6ish years since release.

The reviews strongly suggest that AMD has improved RTRT for Radeon as well.

 

[Vya Domus]

OH that's complete nonsense. I have 4 RTX cards in my home. They most certainly run better now than when new. My 3080 spanks my 2080 handily. And I regularly run benchmarks to check continuing performance. It's improved not gotten worse.

You are being obtuse on purpose as you usually are. The cards are getting faster but modern games are not running better like you'd expect them to after so many years of progress, games suffer the same 40-60% drop in FPS with RT or worse with PT.

No, you've missed some context somewhere. I don't use DLSS at all. But I also don't use AA in any form. I run native and always have. Performance has consistently improved in the last 6ish years since release.

You go ahead and run CP2077 with every RT/PT effect enabled with no DLSS or FG and tell me how amazing your experience is.

Yeah, RT just makes games run great doesn't it.

 

[Franz]

Games today absolutely do not run better than they did back in 2018 with RT, even on Nvidia. That's why Nvidia introduced the frame generation thing, because the games that they are sponsoring like Cyberpunk/Portal/whatnot are becoming literally unplayable without it if you enable all the RT features that they also use in their marketing.

I cant tell about portal because I dont have it but I can tell what I see running here and everything I throwed here runned very well. CP77 is so broken, this game is blurry, whith rt on it have a lower hardware usage and frame generation on this crap is a bad joke, all game which I tested fg doubled but on CP77 it raised a half of current fps....

Yeah, RT just makes games run great doesn't it.

So all here must say to developers: we dont need graphics, just went back to roots, good games, good times. We need games Like Tibia

 

[lexluthermiester]

You are being obtuse on purpose as you usually are.

And you are missing context, as usual. Stop with the small minded personal jabs. You're not impressing anyone.

You go ahead and run CP2077 with every RT/PT effect enabled with no DLSS or FG and tell me how amazing your experience is.

Yeah, RT just makes games run great doesn't it.

No thanks. That's not how I run my games. Running with everything on ultra is NOT how most people play. And THAT is the context you missed.

 

[Vya Domus]

That's not how I run my games

Don't care ? This was about whether or not the situation about RT performance has improved or not, which it hasn't. We've had 3 generation of RT capable cards and new games still run like crap.

It's not relevant that you don't run games on ultra, that means you're not even using RT, I don't even know what context you are talking about, I wasn't even replying to you in my first comment.

 

[Vario]

One thing to consider is if you use any AI that benefits from one or the other. For example, I use Nvidia Broadcast (used to be called RTX Voice) which is great for removing background noise.

 

[Keullo-e]

Personally I've never had any problems with Radeon drivers, and I've been a Radeon user since the 9000 series.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Adrenalin 24.1.1 seems good ATM. Even on 11 23H2, I have yet to get the dreaded "Adrenalin unexpected failure on every boot" bug.

IIRC, there's posts going around telling us that we have to disable Copilot with Vivetool, or Adrenalin reports an unexpected failure on every boot.

 

[R-T-B]

IIRC, there's posts going around telling us that we have to disable Copilot with Vivetool, or Adrenalin reports an unexpected failure on every boot.

I used to get that bug but 24.1.1 fixed it for me. It happens when you set a custom fan or oc curve.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I used to get that bug but 24.1.1 fixed it for me. It happens when you set a custom fan or oc curve.

Makes me feel good that I stayed with 22H2 and Adrenalin 23.2.1 until February 2nd. There appears to have been very bad Adrenalin releases in late-2023, so I would very likely regret going to later than 23.2.1.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Don't care ? This was about whether or not the situation about RT performance has improved or not, which it hasn't. We've had 3 generation of RT capable cards and new games still run like crap.

Once again you are failing hard at context. It does NOT matter how I run my games only that I run them consistently the same way, which I do. And yes the raytracing situation has very much improved, not only from one generation to the next but within the same generation of cards. This means that the hardware is improving but ALSO the drivers and games are improving. This is true for Radeon's as well.

It's not relevant that you don't run games on ultra, that means you're not even using RT

Are you REALLY that oblivious to reality? RT is NOT just an on or off situation. It can be configured to run at many different levels of effect.

I don't even know what context you are talking about

THAT is ridiculously, even embarrassingly obvious.

I wasn't even replying to you in my first comment.

Open forums...

 

[Vya Domus]

Open forums

Bro I was replying to someone else talking strictly about how RT performance did not improve in the same way other features did historically. That's the context, you're just doing an atrociously bad job at trying to troll once again.

 

[dgianstefani]

Bro I was replying to someone else talking strictly about how RT performance did not improve in the same way other features did historically. That's the context, you're just doing an atrociously bad job at trying to troll once again.

Really?

In fact, RT performance has improved more than overall performance.

AMD has also improved, if you ignore path tracing, 7900XTX is about as good as a 3090 Ti.

Drivers are eh, but that's expected considering that NVIDIA's driver division is bigger than Radeon's entire staff.

 

[wolf]

20 years ago I remember when shader model 3.0 was released and gf6000 series was capable to run while ati x000 not. I remember my 6600gt running age of empires 3 very bad and people with their x850gto are lauging and telling "its not necessary, not relevant and pure power matters".

Literally going through this right now in my retro "2004-ish" box, I want a high end video card from 2004 in it, and I was really expecting the X850XT I just got to end up as that card, as it seems to outperform a 6800Ultra... till it doesn't because it doesn't support the full extent of DX9.0c / Shader Model 3. Some games I've installed won't even launch, others have greyed out options, I mean just look at 3dmark 05 -> 06 difference because the X850XT can't even run SM3 tests. If I've already installed games that won't even run properly or at all with the card, I doubt it'll be the lasting card in this box. Reminds me a lot of current feature performance disparity, but at least it's just performance and IQ not a refusal to even run (although in many cases it may as well be)

05 left, 06 right, (lots more benches and cards tested to come in my thread too)

 

[Vya Domus]

we're the trolls.

Yeah you are, you are trying to imply that I said GPUs have literally not gotten faster at all since 2018 or something. I know you have trouble reading and even more difficulty understanding but just read my comment after the bit you highlighted, it's very clear what I said.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You know, it's all good. We were getting off topic again anyway. Let's get back to talking about the AMD drivers, shall we?

 

[cvaldes]

DX11 gaming performance still sucks ass even after improvements.

But at least the still images are pretty.

Sent From My Sapphire Pulse Radeon RX 580

 

[R-T-B]

DX11 gaming performance still sucks ass even after improvements.

I've found it much better than the last time I went AMD (5700 XT), nearly up there with nvidia in honesty.