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How many of you Radeon 5700 owners have ditched your cards over the drivers?

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There are numerous bugs in Navi10 as with most silicon. Some almost showstoppers. IIRC, A0/B0 steppings haven't been respun. I assume these are addressed in Navi12. Navi1x has an updated single cycle CU block & ISA on basically Vega setup.
Interesting. Source?

I don't understand why PC GPUs aren't being tested more before product release, unlike console APUs for example.

Imagine if PS5 releases with game-breaking silicon bugs...

Source? That’s a pretty bold claim to make without having some proof to back it up ...
There seems to be some kind of faulty DMA implementation according to this:
DMA basically affects everything, including Chrome/Discord hardware acceleration.
 
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I don't understand why PC GPUs aren't being tested more before product release, unlike console APUs for example.

Imagine if PS5 releases with game-breaking silicon bugs...
AMD and NVIDIA release several new GPUs every year or every other year, consoles on the other hand have just one GPU that lasts around 5-7 years.
 

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AMD and NVIDIA release several new GPUs every year or every other year, consoles on the other hand have just one GPU that lasts around 5-7 years.
I get that, but when you spend 400-500$/€ for a graphics card, you expect it to work properly.

I know that many PC users upgrade more often than console users, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to sell faulty products (no matter the vendor)...
 
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I get that, but when you spend 400-500$/€ for a graphics card, you expect it to work properly.

I know that many PC users upgrade more often than console users, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable to sell faulty products (no matter the vendor)...
Expecting it to work properly and comparing it to a console are two different things. Sure we expect it to work properly...of course!

But one hardware configuration (console) versus an infinite amount of PCs and several GPUs (PC)... should shed light on it for you. ;)
 

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Interesting. Source?

I don't understand why PC GPUs aren't being tested more before product release, unlike console APUs for example.

Imagine if PS5 releases with game-breaking silicon bugs...


There seems to be some kind of faulty DMA implementation according to this:
DMA basically affects everything, including Chrome/Discord hardware acceleration.
I'll pass it along
 

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One hardware configuration (console) versus an infinite amount of PCs and several GPUs (PC)... does that shed light on it?
The uarch (Navi/RDNA) is the same across all machines. It's called economies of scale. :)

The big differentiator is the number of CUs, memory bus width and stuff like that. Kinda like LEGO building blocks. More blocks, more power.

DMA/copy engines are standard on every GPU, just like video encode/decode engines.
 
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The uarch (Navi/RDNA) is the same across all machines. It's called economies of scale. :)

The big differentiator is the number of CUs, memory bus width and stuff like that. Kinda like LEGO building blocks. More blocks, more power.

DMA/copy engines are standard on every GPU, just like video encode/decode engines.
Right.......... but if it was that easy, neither camp would have issues, now would they?

Again, we all expect it to work properly (duh!), but it's a completely different ecosystem, a PC versus a single hw config. Not a valid comparison.
 
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The uarch (Navi/RDNA) is the same across all machines. It's called economies of scale. :)

The big differentiator is the number of CUs, memory bus width and stuff like that. Kinda like LEGO building blocks. More blocks, more power.

DMA/copy engines are standard on every GPU, just like video encode/decode engines.
the Uarch evolves over time as does console silicon, it does not stay the same at all, same as anything else sold on mass its iterated so as to save coin.

your oversimplifying both the issue and everything else.

AMD's issues are at the fore today but to believe they are exceptional or unique completely writes off your other points to me.

you know some stuff (opinion) as fact yet the reality has escaped you.

all three (pertinant) vendors consistently , repeatedly and undoubtedly have a list of Known errata (read errors) on EVERY bit of silicon, some tell you some dont.
 

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the Uarch evolves over time as does console silicon, it does not stay the same at all, same as anything else sold on mass its iterated so as to save coin.

your oversimplifying both the issue and everything else.

AMD's issues are at the fore today but to believe they are exceptional or unique completely writes off your other points to me.

you know some stuff (opinion) as fact yet the reality has escaped you.

all three (pertinant) vendors consistently , repeatedly and undoubtedly have a list of Known errata (read errors) on EVERY bit of silicon, some tell you some dont.
Seriously man? You sent me a PM with apologies and now this?

Listen to me, back when nVidia had a subpar Async compute implementation (Maxwell era), I used to defend AMD and GCN. Back then, some people like you (from the opposite -green- camp) called me nVidia hater/AMD fanboy. It's called brand tribalism and it's part of human nature. I get it. Doesn't mean I have to brush it off.

Stop judging people that you don't know. That's all I have to say.

If AMD fixes Navi/driver issues in let's say 2024, then I'll gladly recommend them again. And if nVidia screws up their 2024 GPUs, I'll stop recommending them.

I cannot make it any more clear than that.
 
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Seriously man? You sent me a PM with apologies and now this?

Listen to me, back when nVidia had a subpar Async compute implementation (Maxwell era), I used to defend AMD and GCN. Back then, some people like you (from the opposite -green- camp) called me nVidia hater/AMD fanboy. It's called brand tribalism and it's part of human nature. I get it. Doesn't mean I have to brush it off.

Stop judging people that you don't know. That's all I have to say.

If AMD fixes Navi/driver issues in let's say 2024, then I'll gladly recommend them again. And if nVidia screws up their 2024 GPUs, I'll stop recommending them.

I cannot make it any more clear than that.
we disagree on stuff eh.

I didn't call or imply you are a fan boy , just that I Disagree with your opinion and I stated why, and it was aimed at a few of your post's.
 
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we disagree on stuff eh.

I didn't call or imply you are a fan boy , just that I Disagree with your opinion and I stated why, and it was aimed at a few of your post's.
This is the reason I buy what I want and say forget the rest.
 
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Wasn't in my test suite. I mainly tested games I play in a lineup, so Vermintide 2, Deep Rock Galactic, and Kerbal Space Program DX11/OpenGL all got a showing.

There are numerous bugs in Navi10 as with most silicon. Some almost showstoppers. IIRC, A0/B0 steppings haven't been respun. I assume these are addressed in Navi12. Navi1x has an updated single cycle CU block & ISA on basically Vega setup.
Yeah, I'm focused on the one I can prove exists and possibly make a work around for. Undocumented bug rumors serve no one.

Still you cannot clock it more than is... they are software limited now, because it would brake their tier offerings... and that's utterly bad.
Uh, yeah you can with the SoftPowerPlayTables. No promise it will work but you can. I've gone over 2200Mhz. Crash fest but certainly doable.
 
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So what is the consensus then? Solid card, dodgy drivers? Fine wine, or fine whine?

Sounds fairly AMD to me reading around *don't shot*.
 
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Recently there have been many reports of driver issues, so a poll.

Only the last three months drivers are in question here , And only Gpu's that are still supported officially.

three votes(idealistically one per brand if required) per person though you can change your vote, simple.

feel free to comment on your issue with regards to a discription but do not feel free to request help for it , start or join a different thread.

And this thread is meant to illuminate and quantify the issues ONLY, please try to avoid arguing about each other's issues, blame for them, or any other kind of brand loyal argument.
Have your part in a say over there, GPU driver issue poll.
 
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33 voters so far, we don't know how many of those AMD users have Navi based cards, and Nvidia massively outsell AMD anyway.

That is fun and all, but it doesn't answer the question.
 
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Well, I took a chance picking up an open box ASrock 5700 XT for $270. It’s an older blower card, but for that price I was willing to give it a shot. It arrives Sunday, so wish me luck!
 

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Well, I took a chance picking up an open box ASrock 5700 XT for $270. It’s an older blower card, but for that price I was willing to give it a shot. It arrives Sunday, so wish me luck!
Grab an aftermarket cooler for it or learn the washer mod...
 
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Grab an aftermarket cooler for it or learn the washer mod...
Yeah, I’ll see how it performs with undervolting and a custom fan curve, but the aftermarket cooler is on my radar. My desktop is in the basement, so I get cooler than average ambient year-round. And no, I don’t live with my mom!
 

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Yeah, I’ll see how it performs with undervolting and a custom fan curve, but the aftermarket cooler is on my radar. My desktop is in the basement, so I get cooler than average ambient year-round. And no, I don’t live with my mom!
You didn't have to put that bit in lol. Everyone's living situation is different, I'm living on a couch due to circumstances in 2017 and employment loss in 2019. Bills are being paid though...

Checkout igorslab radeon tweakers group for mods
 
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You didn't have to put that bit in lol. Everyone's living situation is different, I'm living on a couch due to circumstances in 2017 and employment loss in 2019. Bills are being paid though...

Checkout igorslab radeon tweakers group for mods
Yeah, I was just trying to be funny about the whole basement PC thing. It's a different situation for me. It's the only corner of the house that I can set up shop! :)
 

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Yeah, I was just trying to be funny about the whole basement PC thing. It's a different situation for me. It's the only corner of the house that I can set up shop! :)
Id like to have a small engine/pc repair shop myself.
 
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If you guys notice, driver 20.1.4... You can't find it on AMD.com download page anymore...

Now I'm using the WHQL version which is the 20.1.3, so far one BSOD on cold boot and no other problem (yet). Played games, running stress test on 3Dmark, leaving torrent on for 24 hours.

However, should removing driver from the download page is already a sign something bad happened? I wish AMD would communicate with their customer better. I support a fair market to keep Nvidia in check or they will just up prices like they did with the 2000 series willy nilly.

My friend works for AMD country branch. He did remind to always use WHQL drivers, and I didn't follow through as I downloaded every driver revision from AMD like a hungry hippo. Now I'm sticking with 20.1.3 and so far with just one BSOD after a cold boot, looks good.... I hope I don't jinx it and crash my PC after this post. LOL.

So far I'm sticking with my 5700XT... That, and I'm helping a friend selling his 5700XT, damn hard to sell. So maybe for economic reason as well.
Not sure where your looking but 20.1.4 is there. Since 20.2.1 is the newest one you have to click on Previous Drivers.

Only the most recent driver and the latest WHQL driver are maintained on the first page
 
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So what is the consensus then? Solid card, dodgy drivers? Fine wine, or fine whine?

Sounds fairly AMD to me reading around *don't shot*.
"meh"

Mixed really. If it affects you it sucks. If not, gravy.

You didn't have to put that bit in lol. Everyone's living situation is different, I'm living on a couch due to circumstances in 2017 and employment loss in 2019. Bills are being paid though...

Checkout igorslab radeon tweakers group for mods
Been in the "living on a couch thing" man. It never is fun. Good luck, if you have good skills someday it'll work out.
 
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