What is that going to do?Turn off ht/virtual cores and see.
What is that going to do?Turn off ht/virtual cores and see.
So the problem is game related and not BIOS/Motherboard?The only solution at the moment is to use ThrottleStop to Lock the Turbo Power Limit register so no other software can mess around with this. Whoever wrote this malicious code forgot to set the lock bit.
It is the power limit register that is causing the problem. It is not HT related.
It could be both. It is definitely game related but it could also be targeting specific motherboards. You will need to do your own testing.So the problem is game related and not BIOS/Motherboard?
Alright, thanks! I'll give this a try later when I'm at my setup.It could be both. It is definitely game related but it could also be targeting specific motherboards. You will need to do your own testing.
Shut down your computer. When you restart, run CPU-Z, go to the About tab and generate a report. Find the line that starts with MSR 0x00000610 and see what your turbo power limit register is set to. Start a game and immediately check this register again. Exit the game and check this register one more time. Do not run ThrottleStop while you are testing this.
Do this testing for multiple games. Older games might be OK.
Is it bad to use while it's power limit throttling?When the power limit register has been set to zero, ThrottleStop shows a reduced speed and constant PL2 power limit throttling.
Whether idle or full load, a setting of 0 Watts is not enough for any turbo boost.
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HWiNFO also shows that power limit throttling is in progress.
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You are not going to hurt your CPU by running it slower than its rated speed. You are just missing out on maximum performance. No turbo boost means a 9900K will run at the processor base frequency which is 3.6 GHz instead of the maximum turbo speed which is 5.0 GHz.Is it bad to use while it's power limit throttling?
Makes sense, thanks!You are not going to hurt your CPU by running it slower than its rated speed. You are just missing out on maximum performance. No turbo boost means a 9900K will run at the processor base frequency which is 3.6 GHz instead of the maximum turbo speed which is 5.0 GHz.
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Some mobile CPUs have an even bigger difference between base and turbo speeds.
Do you have a Nvidia gpu or an AMD gpu?Exact same thing happening....
3090 rtxDo you have a Nvidia gpu or an AMD gpu?
Just in time for Intel's 11th Gen release when review sites have 11th Gen engineering CPUs available for testing purposes.
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Processor | Intel i9-9900K at 4.9GHz -1AVX Vffset 1.27V |
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I saw your BIOS screenshots, PL1 at 4090 Watts should be good and it should never hit that but maybe that's causing a problem. Try setting it to something more realistic like 200 Watts.Yeah well it's weird also it only appears to have issues with both our gigabyte boards
Well you can't forget if i use throttle stop it goes away so yeah definitely something is weird ...I saw your BIOS screenshots, PL1 at 4090 Watts should be good and it should never hit that but maybe that's causing a problem. Try setting it to something more realistic like 200 Watts.
Also what if you change that "CPU Flex Ratio Settings" to 48 does the CPU stay at 4.8GHz if you do that? It sounds like that might force the minimum frequency to whatever value you input there.
One more thing can you change "Intel Turbo Boost Technology" from Auto to enabled?
The BIOS is setting the power limits correctly. Before starting a game, the power limit register is set exactly as the BIOS has requested that it be set. The typical maximum is 4095 Watts. Asus uses that value and it does not cause any problems. Setting this to 4090 or 4095 should not make any difference.Sounds like you've got an issue with your bios
No not really i only use siv ( fan control ) and rgb software that's itThe BIOS is setting the power limits correctly. Before starting a game, the power limit register is set exactly as the BIOS has requested that it be set. The typical maximum is 4095 Watts. Asus uses that value and it does not cause any problems. Setting this to 4090 or 4095 should not make any difference.
Turbo boost is also working correctly. If you run a non-game benchmark like Cinebench, the CPU goes up to full speed with no problems.
The common thread so far is this is happening only on Gigabyte boards, Z390 and Z490. Is there any Gigabyte game control software that you are using on these boards?
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Processor | Intel i9-9900K at 4.9GHz -1AVX Vffset 1.27V |
Motherboard | Asus Maximus XI Hero WiFi |
Cooling | NZXT - Kraken X62 Liquid CPU Cooler |
Memory | G.SKILL TridentZ 32 GB (4 x 8 GB) DDR4-4000 Memory Model F4-4000C17Q-32GTZRB |
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I’m not sure Cinebench is the best app to test the power management since the benchmark finishes quite quickly and may not exceed the PL1 time which is why it holds turbo for the entire benchmark. Perhaps try the Intel XTU stress test and monitor your CPU frequency and see if it drops out of turbo during the stress test. If so this shows turbo boost is working but not using the values you’ve entered in the bios.Turbo boost is also working correctly. If you run a non-game benchmark like Cinebench, the CPU goes up to full speed with no problems.
It's happening on my ASUS Prime Z390-p board also. i9-9900K. Only on Cold War so far but have only tried it and Forza Horizon 4. It just started Sunday.The BIOS is setting the power limits correctly. Before starting a game, the power limit register is set exactly as the BIOS has requested that it be set. The typical maximum is 4095 Watts. Asus uses that value and it does not cause any problems. Setting this to 4090 or 4095 should not make any difference.
Turbo boost is also working correctly. If you run a non-game benchmark like Cinebench, the CPU goes up to full speed with no problems.
The common thread so far is this is happening only on Gigabyte boards, Z390 and Z490. Is there any Gigabyte game control software that you are using on these boards?
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VR HMD | Rift S |
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Try disabling it instead of enabling it?I set it like this and still have the problem. Did I do something wrong?
Processor | Intel i7 10700K |
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Motherboard | Asus ROG Maximus XII Hero |
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Benchmark Scores | My PC runs FiFA |
I was talking on the phone with a friend of mine about this issue, he has a Maximus X Hero + 9900K and a friend of his the same setup and both play Warzone, no issues so far. He thinks that it's bios or windows problem.Games should not have access to the power limit register