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Intel Core "Haswell" Delayed till Computex 2013, No Show at CES

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And why should intel be in any kind of hurry...
 
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Yeah, not like competition is gaining on them...
 

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And why should intel be in any kind of hurry...
Because ARM is coming, and when they get here its going to be a mass onslaught and innocent CPUs will be killed
 

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Yeah, not like competition is gaining on them...
And why should intel be in any kind of hurry...
Intel is its own competitor. If it doesn't keep launching new products every year, it risks stagnating the market. With AMD practically out of the race, and even 4 year old CPUs being able to run most current software and games smoothly, Intel only has "new and improved" to keep selling chips.
 
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until june 2013?
too bad, i guess they gonna roll out this in Q1 2013
 

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Lame!:shadedshu
 
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Guess their OEM partners have lots of unsold Ivybridge inventory..
 
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Guess their OEM partners have lots of unsold Ivybridge inventory..
This is usually the case..... But... May is far off so who knows what the reason is......
 

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Nowadays companies flirt with new products until they're finally launch or in some cases cancel.
One of the ways to show up in the news more often:laugh:
 
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Hey this just means my rig stays current that much longer. :p
 

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gdam dam it
 
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well since this cpu/chipset is going revolutionize the world, ( yes we just going to need new motherboard THAT IS A REVOLUTION!)


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Well evefybody wanted longer life cycles for intel cpus.... now if software could just catch up.....
Just wish they would speed up ivy-e
 
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Because ARM is coming, and when they get here its going to be a mass onslaught and innocent CPUs will be killed
I think it will going to take a long time before ARM will be competitive on desktop or even laptop platform. Besides, most of apps will have to be rewritten for ARM...
 

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Because ARM is coming, and when they get here its going to be a mass onslaught and innocent CPUs will be killed
:wtf: ...You really don't have a pulse on reality. I'm very glad you don't provide investment advice to anyone. :slap:



(1) ARM is already here. They dominate the portable and embedded device markets. See all those tablets, smartphones, affordable embedded boards like Raspberry Pi, etc.

(2) ARM doesn't have a design that can compete with Intel's Core i-series yet. This is one specific thing that prevents them from achieving total domination of the industry. (The other is that they require software developers to port code to ARM architecture.)

(3) ARM's most powerful design currently in production is the Cortex A15. That is in the same performance league as Intel's current Atom. (I've only tested under Linux with a Samsung Exynos 5 based system.)

(4) ARM will start nibbling at Intel from the lower-end with their next generation Cortex A50-series. (A faster evolution of the Cortex A15 and introduces 64bit capability...Allowing it to enter into some server markets like dense/cloud computing infrastructure.)

(5) At the current pace ARM are going, you can wait as long as 10 to 20 yrs before they have something that really hurts Intel in a direct manner like AMD did during their K7/K8 era. ARM is a conservatively-paced fabless processor design company. Their focus is power consumption and simplicity. (That's actually not a bad thing when you realise they dominate in terms of shear number of processors being used in portable/embedded devices).

(6) If you have been paying attention at the strategic nature of Intel Developer Forum in the last few years, you come to realise Intel has not been sitting idle...

=> Intel R&D is focusing on running CPUs at the lowest possible voltage.
(Grabbed the original Pentium design and used today's manufacturing technology in order to test and experiment.)

=> Atom will be transitioning from in-order to out-of-order execution in their next generation. (Also bringing in quad-core models).

=> Intel is at least 12 to 18 months ahead of everyone in manufacturing technology. This is their primary weapon against ARM-based competitors like Samsung, Qualcomm, etc. (Intel's ARM rivals rely on cooperation of various companies like IBM's R&D, GlobalFoundries, TSMC, Samsung Electronics, etc in order compete.)...No one is sitting still on the manufacturing side!

=> Intel's current focus is on power consumption. They're pushing their next generation Atom designs to rival ARM designs in power footprint. Haswell/Broadwell focus is on lower idle power consumption. (They're introducing a new power scheme with Haswell.)

What one should never do, is under-estimate Intel's ability to throw lots of financial and engineering resources in order to brute force their way out of problems. Give them sufficient time, and they'll succeed. That's what makes Intel a serious competitor.



The three things ARM have over Intel is:

(a) Their licensing of their designs as well as architecture is more flexible.
(Intel is more restrictive here).

(b) ARM designs are easier to manufacture due to simplicity.
(Compared to a Core i-series solution...It means you can get more yield out of a silicon wafer.)

(c) Lower cost chips.
(This generally means lower system cost...Intel Atom chips cost approx 3x to 4x more.)


I like ARM's presence in the market because it pushes Intel...Something AMD used to do aggressively. Intel needs competition as motivation to innovate. It goes to stagnation when there is no competition...And things get really boring for Enthusiasts! :banghead: (AMD isn't going to be able to hit back until Steamroller or Excavator in 2014 and 2015 respectively.)

I want ARM to push Intel as I want (one day) to have a completely sealed, yet sufficiently powerful, portable system that doesn't require fans at all to keep cool. (ARM is almost there with the Cortex A15 powered Samsung Chromebook (XE303). It needs more performance!)
=> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15
 
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Am I the only one who sees the other way around this matter? (Which has been going offtopic by the way) Intel has the personal/resources to outpace ARM on it's own market segment.

You'll see on 2 years from now on when almost all mobile devices are Intel based, which is something I fear of, honestly speaking.


Ontopic: We don't need Haswell anyway, it could be delayed even to 2014 as far as I'm concerned.
 

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:wtf: ...You really don't have a pulse on reality. I'm very glad you don't provide investment advice to anyone. :slap:
Yes...quite, quite.

Clearly I dont have a pulse on reality because quite clearly three other people here understood the joke and had a good laugh and you didnt.

The best thing about bad investments is at least you can joke about it down the pub or from your jail cell when you tell your friends/fellow inmates how you gambled away the companies 40billion dollar fortune.
 

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Clearly I dont have a pulse on reality because quite clearly three other people here understood the joke and had a good laugh and you didnt.
Here's a hint about jokes. IF you need to explain and defend it, it isn't a joke...Don't give up on your day job. :nutkick:

The best thing about bad investments is at least you can joke about it down the pub or from your jail cell when you tell your friends/fellow inmates how you gambled away the companies 40billion dollar fortune.
Says the one who hasn't got a damn clue about investments...And can't tell jokes either! :laugh:

So according to you, using one's own money to create more money through investments of Tech companies shouldn't be happening because self-righteous people like yourself have already painted others in their minds: Making money (dividends) by investing one's own money that they've rightly earned through hard work is BAD. :rolleyes:

What's the next lesson Professor? How not to tell a joke?...Well, you've already done that! :rolleyes:
 

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Let's stay on topic please:)
 

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Here's a hint about jokes. IF you need to explain and defend it, it isn't a joke...Don't give up on your day job. :nutkick:



Says the one who hasn't got a damn clue about investments...And can't tell jokes either! :laugh:

So according to you, using one's own money to create more money through investments of Tech companies shouldn't be happening because self-righteous people like yourself have already painted others in their minds: Making money (dividends) by investing one's own money that they've rightly earned through hard work is BAD. :rolleyes:

What's the next lesson Professor? How not to tell a joke?...Well, you've already done that! :rolleyes:
Sir,

Just because you're too slow to understand the joke doesnt make it any less funny or entertaining for other people.

I never explained anything because I didnt need to, you're the only one here whose made a complaint about it so maybe you fail to understand how the delivery of deadpan is presented,

If i had to explain the joke or back it up with 'factual' evidence, I would be giving a lecture on microprocessors and not telling a joke.

The fact that you dont understand my joke while a lot of others here do addresses not only your complaint with 'joke' not being factual enough but trumps any form of logical explanation or smart arse comments you may have regarding it.


I could really care less about the 'factual' side of things as it doesn't concern me, If i cared enough Id be on TPU's payroll and writing reviews for the masses as well as doing other NSFW things just to make sure i gain popularity.


whats the next lesson?

maybe you should youtube the likes of Jimmy Carr, Steven Wright, Mitch Hedberg & Billy Connolly to understand the meaning of deadpan


Just because you dont understand the joke doesnt mean that I failed in the delivery of it. Maybe they just aren't suitable for you.


Good day to you sir.


:edit:

If you wish to debate this further - Pm me
 
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@FreedomEclipse Well, his post got really good points. I love reading the fact. Entertaining in fact.
 
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Any reasons given for the delay? Improvements being made? Silicon yields not good? Just for the sake of it?
 

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Swelling inventories, people being happy with Core 2 Duo.