Intel Scraps 10nm for Desktop, Brazen it Out with 14nm Skylake Till 2022?

[HD64G]

well, it’s highly unlikely zen 3 will release on am4, and even so, it’s not expected to be any significant uplift over zen2. So amd will at best only match intel in gaming.

Zen3 will be for AM4 for sure. And will have both IPC and clock improvements. Intel is already behind in IPC, efficiency and pricing and just a bit ahead in gaming and will get in a tougher position soon with 3950X and TR4 launching imminently. So, you were saying?

 

[simdeb123]

I don't see how AM4 is almost dead. What makes it almost dead?

Well AM5 and DDR5 will both most likely be releasing 2021, so 2020 which is quite close frankly will be the last year for AM4 and ryzen 4000 series

 

[sepheronx]

Well AM5 and DDR5 will both most likely be releasing 2021, so 2020 which is quite close frankly will be the last year for AM4 and ryzen 4000 series

Unless you have a source, you are just guessing. AM5..... Now thats funny. Let us wait for AM4 to release before we guess more, ok?

 

[Frick]

Just rebrand 10nm+n to 7nm. She'll be fine.

 

[Space Lynx]

Zen3 will be for AM4 for sure. And will have both IPC and clock improvements. Intel is already behind in IPC, efficiency and pricing and just a bit ahead in gaming and will get in a tougher position soon with 3950X and TR4 launching imminently. So, you were saying?

yep rumors are 10% bump IPC since it will be 7nm EUV this time. prob summer 2020 release for ryzen 4700x, which is what i am going to buy.

 

[Metroid]

I'm very happy I went with ryzen 5 3600 and you will be too for the same reason why this article was written.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Zen3 will be for AM4 for sure. And will have both IPC and clock improvements. Intel is already behind in IPC, efficiency and pricing and just a bit ahead in gaming and will get in a tougher position soon with 3950X and TR4 launching imminently. So, you were saying?

ah the mythical ipc and the endless argument.who cares about ipc.
and from what I can see in the tpu review 9600k is not only faster than 3900x in games but in a whole bunch of other typically single thread heavy office tasks.other ones use multi threading at least to some extent so it's a pointless comparison.

that said,I can see ryzen 4000 deliver really good performance.with 3000 they made good improvements so hopefully they'll continue on the right track.

 

[Tomorrow]

Relax. Ryzen 4000 will be AM4 compatible. I would rather worry about chipset compatibility. Ryzen 4000 on a B350 board? Maybe. A320 - problably not.
AM5/DDR5 will be 2021 at the earliest.

When it comes to Zen 3 then current leaks point to unified 32MB L3 for one chiplet (currently each CCD within a chiplet has it's own 16MB cache) and 3-way SMT on desktop and 4-way in servers. Supposedly also 200Mhz clock bump and 8-10% IPC uplift. So more meaningful upgrade than Zen+ was to Zen but not as major as Zen 2 was to Zen+.

Besides considering the massive AM4 install base i would not rule out the possibility of cross socket compatible Ryzen 5000 series that has both DDR4 and DDR5 capable memory controller built in.

 

[TheGuruStud]

From the article: "2020 could see the introduction of Xeon Scalable processors based on 10 nm "Ice Lake" microarchitecture with "Sunny Cove" CPU cores."

Aka glue quad cores together from mobile and hope they can give them away for free to hold the mass exodus to epyc.

But they will be in very limited supply, so game over man.

 

[biffzinker]

In the mean time it would appear Intel is up to their usual tactics against the competition. Not officially confirmed yet.

Intel has been reserving 3 billion dollars aside to offer 'discounts' to its customers, and there actually is a photo to back that claim. The recent official unveiling of Cascade Lake X might already the result of that program as the CPUs are selling twice as low per core compared to the chips from Intel's previous generation.

The intended effect if the 3B reservation would include price reductions that would make AMD less profitable.

Intel reportedly reserved $ 3 billion in 2019 to competitively block AMD

Intel has been reserving 3 billion dollars aside to offer 'discounts' to its customers, and there actually is a photo to back that claim. The recent official unveiling of Cascade Lake X might alread...

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[cucker tarlson]

In the mean time it would appear Intel is up to their usual tactics against the competition. Not officially confirmed yet.

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Intel reportedly reserved $ 3 billion in 2019 to competitively block AMD

Intel has been reserving 3 billion dollars aside to offer 'discounts' to its customers, and there actually is a photo to back that claim. The recent official unveiling of Cascade Lake X might alread...

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cascade lake is nothing special really.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Intel constantly changes up sockets - folks don't really complain and accept it.

AMD is on the verge of changing sockets after 2020 and folks are freaking the F out!

 

[kumbandit]

Haha, oh wow. And here I was hoping to hold out a little and get 10nm cpu from intel to upgrade for the new console gen from my 6700k. I don’t want to buy into am4 as it’s almost dead too, so it’s very curious to see how hardware releases will play out next year alongside new ps/xbox release.

Yeah you're solid with 6700K until new AM socket and DDR5 come out for the masses, and then you should make the jump. Also, what????????? Zen 3 will not be an improvement over Zen 2? Maybe if you listen to intel fanboys, but any market analyst will tell you we're expecting some 30% increase in performance, and better yet, improvement in the efficiency and latency, stop believing what intel wants you to believe, that GHz and 300+ FPS in 1080p is all that matters, cuz it's ridiculous... Ryzen is already ridiculously powerful for anything, game devs need to get their ass in gear and make games that can utilize the power...
Food for thought:

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Called this years ago, as expected they're jumping straight to 7nm so all those schedule table's with 10,,nm eternally just around the corner were hogwash, total balls.
2022 , wow not great news so were getting two more years of optimised skylake.

 

[Frick]

ah the mythical ipc and the endless argument.who cares about ipc.
and from what I can see in the tpu review 9600k is not only faster than 3900x in games but in a whole bunch of other typically single thread heavy office tasks.other ones use multi threading at least to some extent so it's a pointless comparison.

that said,I can see ryzen 4000 deliver really good performance.with 3000 they made good improvements so hopefully they'll continue on the right track.

A higherIPC is the reason for your second sentence. Am I missing your point maybe?

 

[Super XP]

AMD needs to capitalize on this news as much as possible.
I expect triple digit % gains in CPU market share.

 

[phanbuey]

AMD needs to capitalize on this news as much as possible.
I expect triple digit % gains in CPU market share.

The question is... Will Jim Keller and Meteor Lake deliver? Or will they have density/process issues again?

It will get really spicy if they push ML to 2023.

 

[Super XP]

Haha, oh wow. And here I was hoping to hold out a little and get 10nm cpu from intel to upgrade for the new console gen from my 6700k. I don’t want to buy into am4 as it’s almost dead too, so it’s very curious to see how hardware releases will play out next year alongside new ps/xbox release.

Here is AMD's QUOTE:

With the launch of the AM4 platform in 2016, we at AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020.
AMD - May 26, 2019

That said, ZEN 3 will be on Socket AM4. ZEN 4 may see Socket AM4+. But 99% of the user base that builds there own PCs usually always upgrade there CPUs and Motherboards together. To get to my point, if AMD releases a new socket, that doesn't make AM4 obsolete. Never did in the past and never will in the future, LOL

The question is... Will Jim Keller and Meteor Lake deliver? Or will they have density/process issues again?

It will get really spicy if they push ML to 2023.

I think Jim Keller will deliver but it will take 4 - 5 years from when he was hired. The question is when and like you said, density/process issues may also be a limiting factor overall.
AMD has the perfect opportunity to continue to deliver and increase its market share while Intel is struggling.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Just rebrand 10nm+n to 7nm. She'll be fine.

you forgot the "@INTEL" in that.

Intel constantly changes up sockets - folks don't really complain and accept it.

AMD is on the verge of changing sockets after 2020 and folks are freaking the F out!

IF, and thats a big IF, its likely to be minor change to AM4+ until 2022-23.

 

[ShurikN]

I doubt there will be major improvements between Zen2 and Zen3 aside from 7nm EUV... maybe some small tweaking like in the Zen>Zen+ transition.
So why would AMD release a new socket for just one year when DDR5 (and therefore AM5) is most likely slated for 2021.
It makes absolutely no sense... They'll just release X670 and a new B board on AM4 and those'll be the last AM4 parts.
I mean, they could, if they can make it compatible with Zen4 and DDR5 and Zen 3(DDR4). But what are the likes of that.

 

[phanbuey]

I doubt there will be major improvements between Zen2 and Zen3 aside from 7nm EUV... maybe some small tweaking like in the Zen>Zen+ transition.
So why would AMD release a new socket for just one year when DDR5 (and therefore AM5) is most likely slated for 2021.
It makes absolutely no sense... They'll just release X670 and a new B board on AM4 and those'll be the last AM4 parts.
I mean, they could, if they can make it compatible with Zen4 and DDR5 and Zen 3(DDR4). But what are the likes of that.

If they get a tiny IPC lift (7-8%) but can boost the clockspeeds then they will be on top by a decent margin. If they can lower latency even more then it will be tough for intel to keep up.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

ah the mythical ipc and the endless argument.who cares about ipc.
and from what I can see in the tpu review 9600k is not only faster than 3900x in games but in a whole bunch of other typically single thread heavy office tasks.other ones use multi threading at least to some extent so it's a pointless comparison.

that said,I can see ryzen 4000 deliver really good performance.with 3000 they made good improvements so hopefully they'll continue on the right track.

Everyone And you cared about IPC back in the day and all of us still do ?

I doubt there will be major improvements between Zen2 and Zen3 aside from 7nm EUV... maybe some small tweaking like in the Zen>Zen+ transition.
So why would AMD release a new socket for just one year when DDR5 (and therefore AM5) is most likely slated for 2021.
It makes absolutely no sense... They'll just release X670 and a new B board on AM4 and those'll be the last AM4 parts.
I mean, they could, if they can make it compatible with Zen4 and DDR5 and Zen 3(DDR4). But what are the likes of that.

They appear to have joined the Ccx's into a mega ccx of 8 ,I think there will be more than a few changes in their for performance and I think smt4 is at least in dark silicon on some possibly working on some.
They're both working on on die cach but Intel can not change their designs as easily as their competition, not just Amd here.

 

[biffzinker]

If they get a tiny IPC lift (7-8%) but can boost the clockspeeds then they will be on top by a decent margin. If they can lower latency even more then it will be tough for intel to keep up.

A new rumor says Zen 3 will have a 10% IPC uplift over Zen 2, and engineering samples have a rumored frequency gain of 100-200 MHz.

Rumor: Zen 3 sees yet another IPC Significant gain

AMD is paving on that processor road hard. The recent Ryzen 3000 series processors have seen a pretty bump in nice instructions per clock (IPC) improvement wise that is, and that is about to happen ag...

www.guru3d.com

 

[Hifihedgehog]

Wow... I hope AMD doesn't take this as a signal they can let off the gas now.

Hardly. They may make a superior product for now (I have my eyes set on that tasty 3950X!), but AMD has a mountain of mind share and market share that you cannot believe they have to contend with so you won't see them slowing anytime soon. They are still very much David against Goliath and they only make a tenth of Intel's mega-revenue. We still see potentially hundreds of thousands of loyalists in IT departments across all kinds of industries (school districts, financial institutions, airlines, department stores, factories, shipping services, etc.) dotting the globe who are sticking to Intel because of tradition (It's in our blood and our rich history and it's who we are.), track record (It's battle tested in the field so why change brands now and risk more help desk calls?), and brand image and recognition (Who's AMD? Oh, are they the guys with the hot, slow processors?). You can also thank the clueless Dell, HP, and Lenovo representatives who insist on Intel when people ask for AMD for continue these trains of thought. We may get it, but most people are generally slow to change, absorbing and adapting to it. They have a ways to go--likely three to five years before they absorb a half of the market if they keep at their current clip--before they can safely let off the gas. Until then, they have to fight Intel's marketing and their own stigma.

 

[ShurikN]

A new rumor says Zen 3 will have a 10% IPC uplift over Zen 2, and engineering samples have a rumored frequency gain of 100-200 MHz.

Rumor: Zen 3 sees yet another IPC Significant gain

AMD is paving on that processor road hard. The recent Ryzen 3000 series processors have seen a pretty bump in nice instructions per clock (IPC) improvement wise that is, and that is about to happen ag...

www.guru3d.com

Im guessing that's 100-200 over Zen2 engineering samples and not production parts.