Legality of TPU Hosting DLSS DLLs

[stimpy88]

And if they take action, W1z will just fold and take the files down. Even that means nothing as far as legality goes.

And that happening would not set a president? Think about what that would mean for the other files TPU offers, and other websites that do similar things.

 

[qubit]

Oh

You're in the UK. Laws are different there than down under. Even here stateside, the laws vary from area to area, even within the same state. For example, where I live, if you leave your car unlocked and someone takes anything which might be in it, that's your fault for not securing your vehicle. However, even if you leave the keys in that very same car, driving off with a car not registered or owned by you without permission is still grand-theft-auto and you will go to prison for it. So effectively, you can take keys to the car if one finds it unlocked, but you can't take the car itself.

Oh man, that's messed up.

 

[stimpy88]

Oh

Oh man, that's messed up.

It's the same where I live. If I leave my front door unlocked and go out, if everything gets taken, then that's on me.

 

[Dredi]

Oh

Oh man, that's messed up.

Yeah, land of the free.

W1z is in EU though, I wonder where TPU as a legal entity is registered.

 

[moproblems99]

It's called understanding the law, case law as it applies to certain situations and ones own personal rights. Some people have an advantage in this area as they have had experience with these things, either out of curiosity, necessity or because of professional requirements.

Lex, you have as much understanding of case law as I do about differential equations. Enough to know I'm doing it wrong. The fact you said someone can steal something from you and you have no recourse. Or that you can't mandate a mask in YOUR business. You need to reevaluate your knowledge repository.

I just accept that I don't know everything and can be wrong.

I also wait your lesson in differential equations so I am less ignorant after you teach us all magic again.

And I apologized, I'll put money on that making me a better man than you. Get over it.

I am impressed and give you mad props. It takes a lot to apologize. I have to do it here often.

@lexluthermiester , if you can prove that you have no recourse if someone steals something from your car, you're stuck, I will Venmo you $100.

Although I probably just lost $100. He does live in New York and they don't much sense of law in that state.

 

[lexluthermiester]

W1z is in EU though, I wonder where TPU as a legal entity is registered.

The servers are located in the US. However that does not indicate the location of of TPU HQ. It could be possible that TPU is outsaide the US or EU.

 

[95Viper]

Stay on topic.
Stop the bickering/arguing/insults/ballyhoo.
Discuss the topic... NOT each other.

Thank You.

 

[moproblems99]

@95Viper, I vote this thread is locked. There is no good discussion that come of it anymore. No one has the answer, and no one will get one. I don't see any good of leaving it up anymore. 20 pages (without deletions) is enough.

I see all the sad faces. My job is to break licenses for a living. In order to do so, I have to sign contracts saying I will only break licenses in ways they deem fit in my rules of engagement. Why is that important: Companies put licenses on things because they mean it.

They may choose not to pursue but that is detrimental to them as it starts to set a precedent that they don't care. Is it legal? Who knows? But if I was a company, and I put licenses on things, you can't let some people break it and others not. Because, as a sane (sometimes) individual, if I am a juror, and I see 4 cases where the company ignored its license, I am not going to grant them the ability to punish the fifth person. They lost that ability.

The other reason this should be close: it has been 18 pages of shitting on Aquinus for doing his duty bound to the license he is part of. He was also looking out for TPU by bringing it to their attention before Nvidia finds out in a way that makes them less happy.

If we have gone 18 pages and can't get over the fact that Aquinus was doing what he signed up for, and thinks he is trying to sink TPU, then what are we going to get out of another 18 pages?

 

[R-T-B]

It's like Apples licensing agreement that says about not using their software to make nuclear weapons. If making nuclear weapons( and weapons in general) was legal there would not actually be any legal restriction of me using their software to make weapons.

This is actually to prevent people from exporting apple encryption included in their products to known rogue nations, and yes, that is a legal requirement for them.

but if stipulations are not backed by actual law they mean nothing.

This is true, but no one in this thread has shown anything that can be legally challenged in NVIDIAs eula yet.

The burden of proof is on the claimant.

The servers are located in the US. However that does not indicate the location of of TPU HQ. It could be possible that TPU is outsaide the US or EU.

TPU is HQ'd in the USA (formerly Germany). I know, I worked there.

 

[moproblems99]

This is actually to prevent people from exporting apple encryption included in their products to known rogue nations, and yes, that is a legal requirement for them.

Making your own weapons is legal too.

 

[R-T-B]

Making your own weapons is legal too.

And your point is?

You aren't legally required to make weapons. Potato Onion.

 

[moproblems99]

And your point is?

You aren't legally required to make weapons. Potato Onion.

The quotee implied that making your own weapons was not legal, in general. Which is not true.

The person you quoted.

 

[R-T-B]

The quotee implied that making your own weapons was not legal, in general. Which is not true.

The person you quoted.

Ah, sorry. Misunderstood the quote chain.

 

[moproblems99]

Ah, sorry. Misunderstood the quote chain.

Understandable. It certainly wasn't obvious.

 

[lexluthermiester]

TPU is HQ'd in the USA (formerly Germany). I know, I worked there.

Interesting. Fair enough.

So, the downloads are still there and reps from NVidia have seen what's going on(yes, they lurk these forum threads and couldn't have missed this with W1zzard himself highlighting it front and center), so can it safely be concluded that the situation is resolved?

I really don't see NVidia doing anything, even if they could.

 

[Aquinus]

Interesting. Fair enough.

So, the downloads are still there and reps from NVidia have seen what's going on(yes, they lurk these forum threads and couldn't have missed this with W1zzard himself highlighting it front and center), so can it safely be concluded that the situation is resolved?

I really don't see NVidia doing anything, even if they could.

To be fair, I was told that they're reviewing it internally.

 

[lexluthermiester]

To be fair, I was told that they're reviewing it internally.

If they actually said that to you, "Reviewing it" doesn't equal taking action. That's likely just corporate talk for "we're making sure none of our assets are unprotected" and then they leave it alone. If you heard that second hand, it's likely nothing-sauce..

 

[Aquinus]

If they actually said that to you, "Reviewing it" doesn't equal taking action. That's likely just corporate talk for "we're making sure none of our assets are unprotected" and then they leave it alone. If you heard that second hand, it's likely nothing-sauce..

That was the reply I received directly from the DLSS team.

 

[freeagent]

This thread is brutal. I think it should have started as a PM personally.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This thread is brutal. I think it should have started as a PM personally.

I have a theory about that. This is such an emotive subject and W1zzard wants to see the honest responses of users that they(the mods) are being a bit more tolerant of the more "tenacious" comments as long as it's not blatant rule breaking..

 

[InVasMani]

My theory is W1z is conserving his mana.

 

[R-T-B]

I have a theory about that. This is such an emotive subject and W1zzard wants to see the honest responses of users that they(the mods) are being a bit more tolerant of the more "tenacious" comments as long as it's not blatant rule breaking..

I don't know what you mean by "tenacious."

Most arguements have centered around legalese.

The only potential rule break I've seen is calling certain users "special" but it was so non specific I'm sure it's nothing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I don't know what you mean by "tenacious."

Really? How very curious. Perhaps you missed a few things..

Most arguments have centered around legalese.

True.

The only potential rule break I've seen is calling certain users "special" but it was so non specific I'm sure it's nothing.

Then you have most definitely missed a few things.

 

[R-T-B]

Perhaps you could be so kind as to highlight the issues.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Perhaps you could be so kind as to highlight the issues.

No. I'm not willing to spend that much time picking through the thread just to prove something so silly as you missing things. If you want to know what you've missed, feel free to go review the thread yourself.