Microsoft to make Windows 10 updates mandatory

R-T-B · Jul 19, 2015

Easo said:
Reading all those comments here... It realy seems like you are trying to overblow it, just for the sake of it.
Sorry.

I'm sorry, are you referencing me or someone else?

If you think I am posting too much I'm just trying to get the word out across the threads that I figured out a work around. I'm not trying to brag or anything.

Ferrum Master · Jul 19, 2015

What is going on here??

Use enterprise, it lets to chose the updates.

Registry mod - same result.

For the default user it is the best. The power users will always find their ways.

R-T-B · Jul 19, 2015

Ferrum Master said:
What is going on here??

Use enterprise, it lets to chose the updates.

Registry mod - same result.

For the default user it is the best. The power users will always find their ways.

You can't buy enterprise legally in retail channels.

My registry mod isn't the same effect either, it completely removes your ability to use Windows Update drivers ever again. It does what it says on the tin, but is kludgy.

You also still can never rule out individual updates.

Ferrum Master · Jul 19, 2015

R-T-B said:
My registry mod isn't the same effect either, it completely removes your ability to use Windows Update drivers ever again. It does what it says on the tin, but is kludgy.

You also still can never rule out individual updates.

It ain't yours...

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/62525-Windows-10-Automatic-Updates-Enable-Disable-script

Easo · Jul 19, 2015

R-T-B said:
I'm sorry, are you referencing me or someone else?

If you think I am posting too much I'm just trying to get the word out across the threads that I figured out a work around. I'm not trying to brag or anything.

Just those, who are a bit paranoid (imho).

R-T-B · Jul 19, 2015

Ferrum Master said:
It ain't yours...

http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/62525-Windows-10-Automatic-Updates-Enable-Disable-script

Oh. Someone else beat me to the punch... heh.

EDIT: Nope, that's not even for RTM and doesn't stop driver updates. My technique is different and uses group policy as well.

Easo said:
Just those, who are a bit paranoid (imho).

Oh, I agree people are way too paranoid about this. I just like control of when they get installed, I don't fear installing them (other than drivers where sometimes newer is not better).

Octopuss · Jul 19, 2015

Easo said:
Reading all those comments here... It realy seems like you are trying to overblow it, just for the sake of it.
Sorry.

You think having unknown and unwanted drivers being forcefully installed is no big deal? You should have your head checked.

R-T-B · Jul 19, 2015

Octopuss said:
You think having unknown and unwanted drivers being forcefully installed is no big deal? You should have your head checked.

That is indeed the most annoying thing they could have done in my case... I mean look at nvidias recent drivers...

Easo · Jul 19, 2015

Octopuss said:
You think having unknown and unwanted drivers being forcefully installed is no big deal? You should have your head checked.

You speak like Microsoft will push untested drivers for everyone.
Common... Do you realy think they have not thought about possible situations?
P.S.
Unknown? Emm, what?

R-T-B · Jul 19, 2015

Easo said:
You speak like Microsoft will push untested drivers for everyone.
Common... Do you realy think they have not thought about possible situations?
P.S.
Unknown? Emm, what?

They do. Well, not unknown, unsure what he meant by that, but they push the latest NVIDIA driver for one, which has tons of known issues. They also push a display driver that BSODs on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-52's Intel Integrated Graphics.

Most people won't need a work around, I will admit. But for those that do, I'll do what I can to help.

Solaris17 · Jul 20, 2015

I like them, Im glad the user base gets them. I think loading unsigned drivers and GP edits is a total crock of trash. You wanna know what I think? Im going to go out on a limb and get pushed off by all the nut jobs that think they are important enough for Microsoft to monitor and say this is good for the tech eco system. my machines have no problem with this method...since idk Vista. I auto download and install all drivers and updates found. You wanna know what does suck? Windows updates that break POS HP laptops and crazy ass netbooks and Sony firmware parsers.

I think the OS that holds the global market share pushing updates and breaking a few systems is good. Maybe OEMs will stop skull fucking you with proprietary drivers and buggy firmware. but I do understand that its more convenient to blame MS. Though hopefully in the future they just did you a huge favor and these kinds of problems wont exist to begin with because OEMs will just make less shitty products.

R-T-B · Jul 20, 2015

Solaris17 said:
I like them, Im glad the user base gets them. I think loading unsigned drivers and GP edits is a total crock of trash. You wanna know what I think? Im going to go out on a limb and get pushed off by all the nut jobs that think they are important enough for Microsoft to monitor and say this is good for the tech eco system. my machines have no problem with this method...since idk Vista. I auto download and install all drivers and updates found. You wanna know what does suck? Windows updates that break POS HP laptops and crazy ass netbooks and Sony firmware parsers.

I think the OS that holds the global market share pushing updates and breaking a few systems is good. Maybe OEMs will stop skull fucking you with proprietary drivers and buggy firmware. but I do understand that its more convenient to blame MS. Though hopefully in the future they just did you a huge favor and these kinds of problems wont exist to begin with because OEMs will just make less shitty products.

The idea isn't bad in concept... IF driver signatures meant something and IF the drivers were quality. But Windows update in it's current form recommends (that means forces) SEVERAL less than stellar drivers. I can list 5 examples just off the top of my head. Heck, two are already listed above.

And I'm sure I'm not being paranoid to say driver signatures will be used to end an older computers "lifetime of the device" via refusal to resign. It's already happened on core 2 duo age stuff.

Re driver quality: Heck, one of the razer drivers even pops up warranty registrations during the upgrade phase, preventing reboot (and thus, the upgrade) until dismissed.

RejZoR · Jul 21, 2015

I don't get it why is it so hard to make security updates mandatory but drivers optional? It's not freaking rocket science if you make a whole new freaking OS, surely you can make this stupid tiny adjustment to the updating process.

I know how critical security updates are, but drivers should really be a thing where USER decides. I want SOME drivers, but I don't want ALL drivers. Because some on WU are crap and cause problems. But no, WU will just enforce them on your. Retarded. And some asshole was bitching over me on BetaNews when I refused to hack the OS apart just to adust how WU works. I'm just tired of havin to dig through piles of hacks to adjust something that could and should be available directly in WU settings. Just like it was in Windows 7, 8 and 8.1.

remixedcat · Jul 21, 2015

well look who they wanna target: http://www.neowin.net/news/microsof...cuses-on-the-adorable-new-generation-of-users

jboydgolfer · Jul 21, 2015

P4-630 said:
Microsoft confirms plans to sell Windows 10 on USB drives, opens preorders on Amazon

http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/16/m...-10-on-usb-drives-opens-pre-orders-on-amazon/

they have been selling on Newegg for a while now...120$usd. HERE

rtwjunkie · Jul 21, 2015

remixedcat said:
well look who they wanna target: http://www.neowin.net/news/microsof...cuses-on-the-adorable-new-generation-of-users

Well it all makes sense now. They've dumbed things down to the lowest common denominator.

Also, the whole greasy, chocolate covered fingers on screens came to mind with the "every screen should be touched" part, and illustrates perfectly gamers and their non-touch screens are a menace in their new world.

remixedcat · Jul 21, 2015

ewwww yeah

also:

why do we feel the need to "humanize" and put on this pretentious "earthy" front so much these days it's annoying, fake, and boring

Blue-Knight · Jul 21, 2015

remixedcat said:
well look who they wanna target:

Waste of time. They are all growing up with G̶N̶U̶/̶Linux already... Microsoft just wants to turn the table (see mobiles).

Well, I think it explains their new childish user interface started with Windows 8... Not for serious work really. I'm just glad they realized this now.

As I love my kids, they will be severely punished if they touch a Windows powered device.

qubit said:
Microsoft to make Windows 10 updates mandatory

I am against this. Sad for Windows users who will have another right removed, and the sadder part is: They're paying HIGH for this. :shadedshu:

Just my opinion. :rolleyes:

R-T-B · Jul 21, 2015

Android is not GNU/Linux, but that's getting off topic. It's more like a bastardized java vm userland linux.... The rest of your post is correct though.

AsRock · Jul 21, 2015

Blue-Knight said:
Waste of time. They are all growing up with G̶N̶U̶/̶Linux already... Microsoft just wants to turn the table (see mobiles).

Well, I think it explains their new childish user interface started with Windows 8... Not for serious work really. I'm just glad they realized this now.

As I love my kids, they will be severely punished if they touch a Windows powered device.

I am against this. Sad for Windows users who will have another right removed, and the sadder part is: They're paying HIGH for this.

Just my opinion.

My daughter learned very young not to touch when she throw some thing across the room and hit what used to be my new Samsung 204b and the screen flashed so many colors for a split second and when i turned around i was sure she was not breathing for a good 20 seconds, in fact i was sure my wife was not breathing too due to all the times i had told her not to touch with those pointy nails.

Now you going have people poking screens to see if they are touch compatible a long with people complaining why their screen gets so dirty as depending on the weather\person create skin oils pretty much after a shower.

R-T-B · Jul 21, 2015

I forsee a lot of germ spread via touchscreens, to be honest.

Pill Monster · Jul 21, 2015

After the W8 debacle and demise of Ballmer I really thought MS were ready to listen, and had high hopes for 10. Unfortunately it's not imho the OS it was hyped up to be, really just a revamped version of 8.1 with a few more features. While there are a couple of nice touches, eg. pin sign in and native streamcasting, I feel the end result is 2 steps forward and 3 steps back.

There's too much data collecting and privacy intrusion for my taste, not to mention an overbearing UAC policy and system restrictions that remind me greatly of Vista.
On top of this MS introduced a browser hijacker in the way of Bing., every time the PC connects to a new network your browser opens up on an MSN start page with a Bing search engine:

This is RTM btw, not a preview version. And right after the W10 adware last month disguised as an update....So yeah.... not too happy atm.

Fwiw WDDM 2.0 hasn't been overly impressive, VRAM usage is nearly halved in some cases but that's the most noticeable difference so far to me.
W10 scored slightly better than W7 in both the Futuremark Skydiver and Firestrike graphics test (NOT API test) but was considerably lower than 7 in the Physics test.
Core parking was def disabled, so I don't what's going on there.... if anyone is interested I can post some screenshots....

.

Blue-Knight · Jul 21, 2015

Pill Monster said:
On top of this MS introduced a browser hijacker in the way of Bing., every time the PC connects to a new network your browser opens up on an MSN start page with a Bing search engine

They want to force bing on users any way they can... They seem desperate. :rolleyes:

It is the same strategy that keeps Windows alive in the desktop market... It has been working so far.

R-T-B · Jul 21, 2015

The data collection and privacy intrusion things are my biggest beef.

This is a paid OS, you have no place collecting data on me. If you made it complete freeware, I'd be more open to such tactics. Not happy with it, but I'd view it in a view similar to google chrome: Not for me, but an acceptable way to do business if you admit it.

I have to admit, even though I do like a lot of what they did, this OS has me thinking more about Linux than ever before. Might donate to the Wine project sometime in the near future to help those guys make a migration route for my old games (that will never get a linux version) possible...

hat · Jul 22, 2015

Not liking the new update system either. I don't mind getting SOME automatic updates (Windows security patches and such), but if I get that, I want to be able to choose when to restart my computer. More than a few times I've come to my computer to see that it must have rebooted at some point. I do work for WCG and now the work that I do is gonna take a dive because my computer wants to reboot itself all the time. I don't want it automatically pushing drivers on me either. Not such a big deal until MS pushes a shitty driver without me knowing and now my system is having weird problems for no reason...

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