Microsoft's Creator's Update

[cdawall]

Using the term M$ should result in an instaban btw (@cdawall) . This isn't the 90's ffs

I don't think Linux has expanded any in the desktop market and Apple has lost market share. That still leaves monopolysoft in the same position of old. They will always be the great M$ for me.

I am still trying to figure out how Melvis got 5x more users on Windows 7 than 10. I don't think 27.7%*5 is 40, but I could be wrong.

 

[erixx]

if he is on 10 (i don't see sigs for Halo3fan or anyone) then why worry at all?????????????? It's a tweak update for Ford's sake!

 

[Halo3Addict]

If you're speaking of windows seven remove the GWX.exe iirc, there's also a couple KB updates you can remove(kb3035583) which will halt the incessant nagging , again iirc.

Honestly if you're running windows seven ( which I do on 2/4 of my pc's), I found it easier to just disable Windows update. Problem solved

Sorry, I should have been more clear. My issue is with W10 nagging me to upgrade to the Creator's Update.

 

[cdawall]

Update. Problem solved.

 

[DRDNA]

I'm not sure you can block it forever, with out also blocking all other updates...maybe we can help with the issue that is keeping you from wanting that update?

 

[Halo3Addict]

I'm not sure you can block it forever, with out also blocking all other updates...maybe we can help with the issue that is keeping you from wanting that update?

Well, at least you're willing to have a discussion.

It seems these 'updates' are more relate-able to service packs. I would just rather do a complete reinstall of the OS instead of updating. But, it's not something I want to do in the near future, maybe towards the end of summer. Having to delay the update every few days has already become an annoyance. Perhaps I will just have to deal with it.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Sorry, I should have been more clear. My issue is with W10 nagging me to upgrade to the Creator's Update.

I've been running windows 10 since about a year or two before it was released officially, and in my experience without a doubt the creators update has evened out and resolved so many issues with the OS as a whole. I don't know if theres something in particular about it that you don't like but if you haven't tried it give it a shot .

 

[alucasa]

Don't know. I have had the update for a while and haven't noticed anything different....

Me not gaming may have something to do with it.

 

[erixx]

^^ With those 2 lovely legs of yours and you do not game?

 

[Frick]

Well, at least you're willing to have a discussion.

It seems these 'updates' are more relate-able to service packs. I would just rather do a complete reinstall of the OS instead of updating. But, it's not something I want to do in the near future, maybe towards the end of summer. Having to delay the update every few days has already become an annoyance. Perhaps I will just have to deal with it.

Aeyup, these updates are sorta like service packs. And I understand your sentiment, but "Deal with it", is essentially the way to go unless you get programs to get around it. It is ... definitely not optimal but OTOH people would not install updates unless forced to.

The good thing is that reinstalling is faster and easier now than in before. I would love a built in tool to make custom iso's.

 

[Totally]

I was in the midst of a wtf moment due to asus's craptastic ai suite 3 + bios version 1002 when it hit, didn't realize it until a fresh reinstall and flash back to ver 0083 after all hell broke loose. I'm none the wiser of anything that's off, a lot of things work that didn't before but I'm attributing that to a fresh reinstall, and update to software other than OS that I didn't have before.

 

[Melvis]

Right so go see a guy on a forum to fix updates on Windows, because grandma the end user is going to do that.

As for current stats 40% of all pc users are Windows 7 27.7% Windows 10. For an OS released less than 3 years ago we are saying a much faster adoption rate than 8, 8.1, Vista and 7 for that matter.

Fact of the matter is 7 has already lost huge amounts of support from m$, this will only continue. That os will be edged out as m$ blocks all new cpus from usage and dx12 spreads. This has happened before and the same people who argued their love for xp moved on. Guess what xp sucked, 7 sucked and 10 sucks. As it stands statistically we have seen a sharp drop off in traffic in shops across the US to the tune of 20-30% year of year. That is no mistake for the vast majority of users 10 is absolutely great.

Good luck getting any grandma's to know how to even turn on a computer let alone formatting it lol Those jobs are sent to people like US to fix and there for "should" know how to fix them.

You can pull lots of different % of the internet, can range from 22/33/40/48% depending on where you look and no its not faster adopted then Windows 7 (yes for the others couse they sucked!) as Windows 7 only took 2 yrs to be on top, W10 is still behind after 3yrs and ONLY going up because we are getting it forced down our throats.

Fact of the matter is Windows 7 has only lost a huge (well not really) support from MS is because there trying as hard as they can to move as ALL to W10. The fact they stop updates from working on not just 7 but 8.1 is pure BS and they should be taken to court over, 8.1 still has FULL support but MS says to you and everyone else FU!. DX12? meh who gives a fark, small amount of games that even use it, and Vulcan kicks its ass anyway. Wait what? you think XP/7/10 sucks? wtf? are you high? there like the best OS's that MS has even come up with (W10 still needs work), there not used the most out of all OS's just for the hell of it lol. You think Vista, 8/8.1 and ME was a better OS? dear god you really need to get out more and look at the rest of the world if you think that lol.
The only reason you have seen a sharp drop off across shops of 7 is because MS pulled all the 7 OS's off the shelf! Sent back to MS and destroyed, and thats directly from Harvey Norman them selves. Is it because everyone likes and wants 10? fark no! its because MS has made it near impossible to get an older OS now. If you could still walk into a electronics shop here and buy ether 7/8.1 or 10, 7 would outsell the rest by far.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

No problems for me, whatsoever. I did a fresh install two weeks before it hit though.

I did a fresh install of the creators updating using MS tools for creating the creators update on a USB stick. My desktop is doing fine. Reason being is I bought a Samsung 960 EVO m.2 SSD 256GB. I put it on my mom's laptop from the Vista era, it's constantly locking up Windows Explorer. My dad's machine is doing the same thing with the anniversary update. I put my father back on Windows 7 and everything appears to be fine. Just got to put 7 back on the laptop now.

(my dad's machine is a core i5 SB)

 

[Tallencor]

I did a fresh install of the creators updating using MS tools for creating the creators update on a USB stick. My desktop is doing fine. Reason being is I bought a Samsung 960 EVO m.2 SSD 256GB. I put it on my mom's laptop from the Vista era, it's constantly locking up Windows Explorer. My dad's machine is doing the same thing with the anniversary update. I put my father back on Windows 7 and everything appears to be fine. Just got to put 7 back on the laptop now.

(my dad's machine is a core i5 SB)

What? Can you explain how u did this and were able to get the 960 to run at m.2 nvme speeds. Or did it not work due to compatibility of the hardware.
Thanks.

 

[cdawall]

Good luck getting any grandma's to know how to even turn on a computer let alone formatting it lol Those jobs are sent to people like US to fix and there for "should" know how to fix them.

You can pull lots of different % of the internet, can range from 22/33/40/48% depending on where you look and no its not faster adopted then Windows 7 (yes for the others couse they sucked!) as Windows 7 only took 2 yrs to be on top, W10 is still behind after 3yrs and ONLY going up because we are getting it forced down our throats.

Fact of the matter is Windows 7 has only lost a huge (well not really) support from MS is because there trying as hard as they can to move as ALL to W10. The fact they stop updates from working on not just 7 but 8.1 is pure BS and they should be taken to court over, 8.1 still has FULL support but MS says to you and everyone else FU!. DX12? meh who gives a fark, small amount of games that even use it, and Vulcan kicks its ass anyway. Wait what? you think XP/7/10 sucks? wtf? are you high? there like the best OS's that MS has even come up with (W10 still needs work), there not used the most out of all OS's just for the hell of it lol. You think Vista, 8/8.1 and ME was a better OS? dear god you really need to get out more and look at the rest of the world if you think that lol.
The only reason you have seen a sharp drop off across shops of 7 is because MS pulled all the 7 OS's off the shelf! Sent back to MS and destroyed, and thats directly from Harvey Norman them selves. Is it because everyone likes and wants 10? fark no! its because MS has made it near impossible to get an older OS now. If you could still walk into a electronics shop here and buy ether 7/8.1 or 10, 7 would outsell the rest by far.

Couple of things, every single thing m$ sells sucks.

No shit m$ is trying to move everyone to a single OS. Minimizing update servers saves them money. Putting everyone on Windows 10 would make life simpler for them. They haven't been this big for this long making poor business decisions.

I would like to see any real numbers showing it took two years for 7 to out class xp, considering there are multiple countries that xp is still listed as their main OS in 2017.

Windows 7 is still sold in retail stores. Might want to fact check that one.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/431191/Windows_7_Professional_SP1_64-bit_English_-_OEM

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

What? Can you explain how u did this and were able to get the 960 to run at m.2 nvme speeds. Or did it not work due to compatibility of the hardware.
Thanks.

Explain what? How The 960 runs at m.2 nvme speeds? Or get Windows 10 to cooperate with it? Slightly confused. Or maybe your confused and thought my machine was the one having issues with Windows 10 Creators update? My machine works fine with it. It was my dad's computer with a P67 motherboard and an i5 2300 i think it is and my moms Vista era laptop that was having the Win10 issues.

If you truly meant my computer in my sig; I just installed the m.2 drive in it's slot on my Z170 motherboard, installed Windows w/Creators update, installed the Samsung Magician software and the NVMe driver from Samsungs website.

 

[Tallencor]

Explain what? How The 960 runs at m.2 nvme speeds? Or get Windows 10 to cooperate with it? Slightly confused. Or maybe your confused and thought my machine was the one having issues with Windows 10 Creators update? My machine works fine with it. It was my dad's computer with a P67 motherboard and an i5 2300 i think it is and my moms Vista era laptop that was having the Win10 issues.

If you truly meant my computer in my sig; I just installed the m.2 drive in it's slot on my Z170 motherboard, installed Windows w/Creators update, installed the Samsung Magician software and the NVMe driver from Samsungs website.

Sorry should have been more clear. You said your mom's lap top was what u tried it in first. Just wondering how u did the hardware install. An adapter pcie or something of the sort. That's an nvme and ahci ssd. But would that laptop have an m.2 slot? Just curious how it was done and if the speed of that drive can be maximized on an old laptop.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Sorry should have been more clear. You said your mom's lap top was what u tried it in first. Just wondering how u did the hardware install. An adapter pcie or something of the sort. That's an nvme and ahci ssd. But would that laptop have an m.2 slot? Just curious how it was done and if the speed of that drive can be maximized on an old laptop.

Sorry, maybe I should have been more clear. The m.2 drive is in my personal desktop. I didnt put it in my mothers laptop.

I reinstalled Windows 10 on my personal machine for 2 reasons. 1) I got the m.2 SSD and 2) The Creators update was released so I figured might as well upgrade to that since im going to do a fresh install anyway. I used the same stick on my personal desktop that I did on both my mom's laptop and my fathers desktop and both my mom's laptop and my fathers desktop both experienced the same issues while my PC did not. It's very odd.

 

[Tallencor]

Sorry, maybe I should have been more clear. The m.2 drive is in my personal desktop. I didnt put it in my mothers laptop.

I reinstalled Windows 10 on my personal machine for 2 reasons. 1) I got the m.2 SSD and 2) The Creators update was released so I figured might as well upgrade to that since im going to do a fresh install anyway. I used the same stick on my personal desktop that I did on both my mom's laptop and my fathers desktop and both my mom's laptop and my fathers desktop both experienced the same issues while my PC did not. It's very odd.

Lol thanks. Sorry now that I've re read I see u meant win 10 not the ssd. I thought I was about to be stunned.

 

[Melvis]

Couple of things, every single thing m$ sells sucks.

No shit m$ is trying to move everyone to a single OS. Minimizing update servers saves them money. Putting everyone on Windows 10 would make life simpler for them. They haven't been this big for this long making poor business decisions.

I would like to see any real numbers showing it took two years for 7 to out class xp, considering there are multiple countries that xp is still listed as their main OS in 2017.

Windows 7 is still sold in retail stores. Might want to fact check that one.

http://www.microcenter.com/product/431191/Windows_7_Professional_SP1_64-bit_English_-_OEM

lol I would have to agree with you there.

I get what your saying and from a business sense it makes sense but people have proven that we dont want a controlled environment, we wont our freedom and choice, this is why android is now leading the way over iOS and why 7 is still massive.

Im pretty ssure it wouldnt take me long to find something to show how fast W7 over took every other OS in such a short period of time. and yes XP still stood strong as well its XP and 7 as many would say was just the new XP so go figure.

Im talking about big none (but have now) online stores, like Harvey Norman, Leading edge, Office Works, etc you can not find W7 on there shelves at all! and even if you asked some will say sorry, doesnt exist anymore. I can easy link heaps of online stores that still sell W7 like PCCG, MSY, etc, but for those people that dont use online stores and go to regular retail stores, nope, its gone. USA might be different in that area though.

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=windows+7

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/26791/microsoft-windows-7-professional-64bit-with-sp1-oem

 

[cdawall]

lol I would have to agree with you there.

I get what your saying and from a business sense it makes sense but people have proven that we dont want a controlled environment, we wont our freedom and choice, this is why android is now leading the way over iOS and why 7 is still massive.

Im pretty ssure it wouldnt take me long to find something to show how fast W7 over took every other OS in such a short period of time. and yes XP still stood strong as well its XP and 7 as many would say was just the new XP so go figure.

Im talking about big none (but have now) online stores, like Harvey Norman, Leading edge, Office Works, etc you can not find W7 on there shelves at all! and even if you asked some will say sorry, doesnt exist anymore. I can easy link heaps of online stores that still sell W7 like PCCG, MSY, etc, but for those people that dont use online stores and go to regular retail stores, nope, its gone. USA might be different in that area though.

http://www.harveynorman.com.au/catalogsearch/result/?q=windows+7

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/26791/microsoft-windows-7-professional-64bit-with-sp1-oem

So I actually did some research and quite a few tag windows 10 as the fastest OS to date.

Also remember when comparing Android to Apple that one of the two companies has crappy $5 knock off phones being sold.

You will also find the average user in today's age prefers something that just works. Windows 10 provides a retard proof experience. Don't want to buy Antivirus? Cool the built in one is excellent. Can't figure out how to do updates? Cool we will just push them out. Etc.

 

[Frick]

So I actually did some research and quite a few tag windows 10 as the fastest OS to date.

Also remember when comparing Android to Apple that one of the two companies has crappy $5 knock off phones being sold.

You will also find the average user in today's age prefers something that just works. Windows 10 provides a retard proof experience. Don't want to buy Antivirus? Cool the built in one is excellent. Can't figure out how to do updates? Cool we will just push them out. Etc.

Having functional things is a sign of weekness; on this we agree.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Everything seems good for me on the creators update...
I have to admit that Windows 10 took me to the edge of walking the fuck away from PC's for good...

I thought the retard proof comment was funny because that is exactly why I basically walked away....
When I wanna do something I don't want to be annoyed with popups or having it just do whatever when it feels like it...
I have not had that issue as of yet under the creators update but admittedly I don't task my PC with nearly as much stuff nowadays because I just want shit to work when I want to use it and these days that's not happening on PC.

 

[Melvis]

So I actually did some research and quite a few tag windows 10 as the fastest OS to date.

Also remember when comparing Android to Apple that one of the two companies has crappy $5 knock off phones being sold.

You will also find the average user in today's age prefers something that just works. Windows 10 provides a retard proof experience. Don't want to buy Antivirus? Cool the built in one is excellent. Can't figure out how to do updates? Cool we will just push them out. Etc.

Depends on the hardware, if there only testing on something that is less then 2yrs old and running on a SSD the W10 is a very quick OS indeed (I built a i7 6700 with a Samsung SSD) but as soon as you go ether low end hardware on a mechanical drive or older hardware it becomes one very slow OS. I have dual boot on my i7 rig (W10/7) and the deference is night and day. So much so Im replacing the HDD with a second hand SSD for W10 so it will speed up the system.

Hey if they can sell cheap phones then good for them, = more sales, Apple can do the same if they want to (not that they will) Not everyone can afford a $800 Apple iPhone every yr.

Well thats the thing, it doesnt "just work" many of my clients say the opposite, they want to go back to 7 as it does just that "it works". At the moment 10 still needs work in my eyes to be on par with 7 and I hope one day it will. Also any tech guy would be totally stupid to even suggest that the inbuilt AV in W10 is any good, its a POS, period! and the whole cant do updates thing well at least we can choose what to update not like W10 just forces no questions asked, dont like this update? stiff shit mate here it comes anyway, if it breaks your system and you loose your files, do we care? fark no, enjoy! Not that 7 was any different till now but least 7 never got complete system updates that reset all your settings.....I actually really like how you get updates now on 7, its damn awesome, should have always been like that TBH.

 

[Caring1]

..... remember when comparing Android to Apple that one of the two companies has crappy $5 knock off phones being sold

Everyone knows crappy Apple knockoffs cost a lot more