Need to upgrade parts of my current build. Asking for advises.

[Deleted member 185158]

I thought the wraith to be pretty quiet at idle. Like any fan as long as it spins, there will be noise.

My GPU I blame for being loud, and I try to run it 60% so thats 1920rpm but has dual fans. Its much louder then the cpu cooler for sure.

Then the delta fan I use on the VRMs is terribly load. That one I also manually control. 50% or less its tollerable.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Firstly, i found this test on TPU that shows that 5700XT Red Devil GPU is even more silent than the 2070 Super: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/powercolor-radeon-rx-5700-xt-red-devil/32.html

What you make of it? Red Devil is even cheaper than Nitro+...



Yeah, i meant 2070 Super, without a doubt. Sorry for not specifying that, man.



Haha, yes, but how is Nitro+ compared to 2070 Super then? In terms of noise and performance for my purposes? According to the test above, it seems like 5700XT is now a good choice....



Yep, @cucker tarlson told me about N5, and after further inspection and reading, i was utterly impressed. I am most definitely going for that one, AND it's even cheaper than my initial cooler suggestion: Noctua NH-D15... Go for it. You will probably not regret it. Like my gf says; bigger is better, especially if it's useful... That can definitely be said about N5 as well....

what is the price diff between 5700xt nitro and 2070 super gaming x ? if $50 I'd go for the 2070 super,definitely.For 10% more you're getting a 10-15% faster card,with lower power draw,RTX hardware and if the information you can gather around the internet are to be trusted the best encoder for streaming.At 5700xt+$50 it is a great huang for the buck option.
If it's more like 100$ then 5700xt is an equally good choice.

 

[winterwonderland]

what is the price diff between 5700xt nitro and 2070 super gaming x ? if $50 I'd go for the 2070 super,definitely.For 10% more you're getting a 10-15% faster card,with lower power draw,RTX hardware and if the information you can gather around the internet are to be trusted the best encoder for streaming.At 5700xt+$50 it is a great huang for the buck option.
If it's more like 100$ then 5700xt is an equally good choice.

5700XT Red Devil is actually $115 less than 2070 Super Gaming X while the Nitro+ is $100 less than 2070 Super Gaming X...

 

[cucker tarlson]

 

[winterwonderland]

So, in conclusion, what matters to ME and my purposes/use, it's Red Devil that's going to be THE choice of GPU for me, after all. Overall best noise and cooling, while having great performance as well. Sounds all in all great to me that. That leads me to this list:
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 instead of the 3700X (according to reviews and others, it seems like 3600 has great performance for my purposes and goes well with the other components on the list while also costing about $155 less than the 3700X...)
GPU: PowerColor Red Devil 5700 XT 8gb (quiet, great cooling and performs great + great price among the 5700 XT gpus that are available)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Ninja 5 (in about all the reviews, it's gotten THE best and most solid results in terms of quietness, performance AND costing even less than the D15... a no-brainer this!)
SSD: PNY CS3030 M.2 1tb (overall, i get even more for the same price as the Adata M.2)
Monitor: LG 32GK850F (best overall monitor for my purposes, especially since i am going with AMD. it has a great size, quality, i've got great experiences with previous LG screens, nice features, 144hz, 1440p, and that to an awesome price of $440.. another no-brainer choice!)
Mobo: Asus X570-F Gaming (will hold nicely for years to come aka upgrading-friendly + nice connections and features + gotten great reviews. not sure i can find a better mobo than this for less than $300, or?)

That's pretty much it. Seem to be well-balanced thoroughly while it'll perform greatly for my purposes while not costing OVERLY much, right? Other details, i have them listed in my specs.

The only thing i am questioning would be:
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Black 3600 2x8gb... I am still in doubt whether it's worth to pay $85+ MORE for the 3600 compared to the 3200, which costs about half the price of the 3600... Like, will that extra 400Mhz have THAT big of an impact for me and my purposes? what are the differences?

Any other inputs?

About time that my system's about to get ready now...

 

[cucker tarlson]

So, in conclusion, what matters to ME and my purposes/use, it's Red Devil that's going to be THE choice of GPU for me, after all. Overall best noise and cooling, while having great performance as well. Sounds all in all great to me that. That leads me to this list:
CPU: Ryzen 5 3600 instead of the 3700X (according to reviews and others, it seems like 3600 has great performance for my purposes and goes well with the other components on the list while also costing about $155 less than the 3700X...)
GPU: PowerColor Red Devil 5700 XT 8gb (quiet, great cooling and performs great + great price among the 5700 XT gpus that are available)
CPU Cooler: Scythe Ninja 5 (in about all the reviews, it's gotten THE best and most solid results in terms of quietness, performance AND costing even less than the D15... a no-brainer this!)
SSD: PNY CS3030 M.2 1tb (overall, i get even more for the same price as the Adata M.2)
Monitor: LG 32GK850F (best overall monitor for my purposes, especially since i am going with AMD. it has a great size, quality, i've got great experiences with previous LG screens, nice features, 144hz, 1440p, and that to an awesome price of $440.. another no-brainer choice!)
Mobo: Asus X570-F Gaming (will hold nicely for years to come aka upgrading-friendly + nice connections and features + gotten great reviews. not sure i can find a better mobo than this for less than $300, or?)

That's pretty much it. Seem to be well-balanced thoroughly while it'll perform greatly for my purposes while not costing OVERLY much, right? Other details, i have them listed in my specs.

The only thing i am questioning would be:
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Black 3600 2x8gb... I am still in doubt whether it's worth to pay $85+ MORE for the 3600 compared to the 3200, which costs about half the price of the 3600... Like, will that extra 400Mhz have THAT big of an impact for me and my purposes? what are the differences?

Any other inputs?

About time that my system's about to get ready now...

Nah stick to 3200 c16,also look for patriot Viper 3400 c16, they're best bang for the buck here,dunno about your price.

 

[winterwonderland]

Nah stick to 3200 c16,also look for patriot Viper 3400 c16, they're best bang for the buck here,dunno about your price.

Found them here as well. It's these, right: Patriot Viper 4 Red DDR4 3400MHz 2x8GB (PV416G340C6K) - They cost exactly $20 more than Ripjaws V Black 3200MHz... What you reckon about them? I see some also recommend the G.Skill Ripjaws V Red DDR4 3600MHz 2x8GB (F4-3600C19D-16GVRB), but i am not on sure them vs the Viper you suggest.... The V Red cost $15 less than the Viper you suggested. Any inputs on that?

 

[winterwonderland]

After doing some digging, the Red V memory seems to be a great choice for me in terms of value and performance overall, though it's not as good as the Viper that @cucker tarlson mentioned. But, are the Viper worth it vs the Red V since the Viper are $15 more expensie..? Hmm..

 

[cucker tarlson]

stick to cheap 3200 c16.
g.skill or patriot prefereably.

if you can find 5700xt red devil 115usd cheaper than 2070 super gaming x then it's better in terms of value.
I paid ~80 usd more than custom 5700xt's cost for my trio and got two games,but since you can't find that good of a deal then go with 5700xt.

that's a really good build.quality parts that will deliver for years.


btw,wouldn't you wanna go dual screen,24" 144hz for gaming + 27" 1440p for work instead of this big ass 32" display ? cause that's doable in this budget and I'm loving it personally.

like 24G2U (144hz FHD IPS) + LC27JG50QUXEN (144hz 1440p VA)

won't cost much more than this LG alone.Just my opinion,but 32" computer screens are stupid and dual monitor setups are awesome.Can't imagine going back to single monitor.

 

[winterwonderland]

stick to cheap 3200 c16.
g.skill or patriot prefereably.

if you can find 5700xt red devil 115usd cheaper than 2070 super gaming x then it's better in terms of value.
I paid ~80 usd more than custom 5700xt's cost for my trio and got two games,but since you can't find that good of a deal then go with 5700xt.

that's a really good build.quality parts that will deliver for years.


btw,wouldn't you wanna go dual screen,24" 144hz for gaming + 27" 1440p for work instead of this big ass 32" display ? cause that's doable in this budget and I'm loving it personally.

like 24G2U (144hz FHD IPS) + LC27JG50QUXEN (144hz 1440p VA)

won't cost much more than this LG alone.Just my opinion,but 32" computer screens are stupid and dual monitor setups are awesome.Can't imagine going back to single monitor.

Cheap 3200? Then it gotta be the G.Skill Black V that @NoJuan999 pointed out in the first place. It's the cheapest memory i've found so far that's 3200 C16 with great reviews. The alternatives i have, are the 2 others i mentioned; Red V and the Vipers you found.

Yes, i guess i am fairly set on the Red Devil now, yes. Quiet, not overly hot, performs great for my purposes. Btw, what'st he deal with 2xHDMI vs 3xDP? what's the extra HDMI for, i mean?


regarding the monitors, i need to explain a little.

first, here is the setup i have right now:

Bottom left + right = BenQ 22" monitors that i've had for about 10 years or so.
Top left = Dell 19" that i've had for even longer.... lol.
Top right = Sony 48" W605 TV...

So, as you can see, im in major need to upgrade these monitors. The TV i mostly use for movies/streams/watch stuff on, but will be used for consoles, retro games etc. in the future.

I am still trying to figure out which screens to get and put where, particularly the top right and bottom right... My initial plan was to get 3x24" (or 2x24" + 1x27") and a monitor arm (Arctic Z3 Pro or something) that will replace the top left and right monitors. That way, all 3 screens will be lined up next to each other. Then for the bottom screen, i was planning to have the LG 32". 2 reasons for that: 1) i am heavily near-sighted (for now, planning to have a surgery), and this 22" is simply too little for me to work with. I tire my eyes out too much on this 22" monitor. 2) we have these "movie/gaming nights with friends" that we do here, so that 32" screen would be great to have in place so we can do some couch multiplayer gaming or watch a movie on it. The 48" you see, is now placed TOO high, which is not good for the neck at all, so that's why it's gonna be moved, one way or another. I have also tried to sit in front of the 32" LG i mentioned, i really love the feel of the whole monitor. Looks great too.

Now, regarding the monitors you suggest, i reckon they are some good finds, tbh. Particularly the AOC. It has a good price too. Will be looking into replacing my 22" monitors with them instead. I like that 27" curved one you mentioned, but i am not sure where i could place it. But yeah, definitely some monitors that interest me a lot, for sure.

Well, i am absolutely open for any inputs on the whole monitor-talk, if you (or anyone else) have any suggestions.

Remember, i will not be ordering anything until the end of next month, so there's still good enough time to find the appropriate solutions for me and my purposes.

I am glad that we are getting onboard with the whole system, though! And yes, even to me, it all sounds well-balanced with great performance, awesome features and one that will definitely last for years to come. Much appreciated for the help and advises.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Imo limit yourself to two good monitors on desk and put the tv on the wall if possibile

 

[winterwonderland]

Imo limit yourself to two good monitors on desk and put the tv on the wall if possibile

I really wish i could've put the tv on the wall... :/

Well, i -must- have at least 4 monitors. It'll ease my work by a ton instead of cramping things up on 1 monitor.

I guess that now the question is whether to go for 3x24" or to just buy a super ultra wide monitor instead... Samsung C49J890 would end up costing the same as 3x24" of those AOC... I see it's not an easy choice, for sure...

 

[holyprof]

First of all, that Samsung monitor you mentioned looks sweet, but is a bit too "ultra-wide". C'mon, a 49" screen with only 1080 vertical pixels? It's like 2x27" FullHD panels glued together. The pixels will be huge (not very good for photo editing). If there is a monitor with 3840x1440 now that would be perfect.

I'm currently using a WQHD (2560x1440) 24" monitor as main and have an old 4:3 1280x1024 17" as a secondary (which happens to have vertical mode and is exactly as high as the 24" main when in portrait mode).

Most games nowadays support windowed mode without performance penalty so if i had a 27"-28" ultrawide monitor it would give me similar screen real estate without the problems of multi-monitor setups.

Or to put it in other words, single big monitor has all the advantages of two smaller with same or similar screen real estate, but has some unique advantages like no differences in colour calibration, brightness, contrast and gamma between the two and 100% support for programs that don't play nice with multi-monitor.

BTW, what are you using the 3x24" monitors for? Stock market, video surveillance, 1000 linux terminals or ... ?

 

[Arjai]

 

[cucker tarlson]

Or to put it in other words, single big monitor has all the advantages of two smaller

none.
The main advantage of having two monitors is that there are two monitors.
A big monitor is big but the resolution is the same as on a small one.
If you work and game then dual/triple monitor setups are by far the better option.

 

[holyprof]

none.
The main advantage of having two monitors is that there are two monitors.
A big monitor is big but the resolution is the same as on a small one.
If you work and game then dual/triple monitor setups are by far the better option.

That's not what i meant, my comparison is, for example, 2x 24" 1920x1080 monitors vs single ultawide 3840x1080 one. Same pixel count, just no frame in the middle.
Or 4x full HD monitors vs one 4K (with twice the diagonal like 4x24" vs one 48") - all the advantages, no frames in the middle, no problems with software that doesn't recognize multi-monitors, no special desktop VESA support, no 3 additional HDMI/DP cables.
Only single disadvantage is higher price maybe, haven't done studies about that. 4x 24" monitors + extra cables + desktop stand MIGHT be slightly cheaper than single 48" 4K monitor.

To make it simpler, I'll just look at 60Hz 5ms IPS monitors in USA site pcpartpicker so it's not a full market research.

Full HD 24" is around $120-180, average $150.
Rosewill RMS-DDM05 Dual Monitor Desk Mount - around $55
let's suppose the monitors bring a HDMI or DP cable (not always the case but)
so the multi-monitor costs 4x150 + 2x55 = $710

Acer ET430K 4K 5ms 60Hz IPS monitor is around $600

So if you go for the cheapest 24" monitors, you get approximately the same final price.

 

[cucker tarlson]

That's not what i meant, my comparison is, for example, 2x 24" 1920x1080 monitors vs single ultawide 3840x1080 one. Same pixel count, just no frame in the middle.
Or 4x full HD monitors vs one 4K (with twice the diagonal like 4x24" vs one 48") - all the advantages, no frames in the middle, no problems with software that doesn't recognize multi-monitors, no special desktop VESA support, no 3 additional HDMI/DP cables.
Only single disadvantage is higher price maybe, haven't done studies about that. 4x 24" monitors + extra cables + desktop stand MIGHT be slightly cheaper than single 48" 4K monitor.

To make it simpler, I'll just look at 60Hz 5ms IPS monitors in USA site pcpartpicker so it's not a full market research.

Full HD 24" is around $120-180, average $150.
Rosewill RMS-DDM05 Dual Monitor Desk Mount - around $55
let's suppose the monitors bring a HDMI or DP cable (not always the case but)
so the multi-monitor costs 4x150 + 2x55 = $710

Acer ET430K 4K 5ms 60Hz IPS monitor is around $600

So if you go for the cheapest 24" monitors, you get approximately the same final price.

still having one is not having three,which is the point of having three.
the point of having three monitors is not just having the real estate but having three monitors.

best way is get a gaming one that does okay for work (like a 1080p IPS 144hz) and another one for work that uses more than 60hz (like 1440p 100/120hz VA) cause 100hz+ makes working more pleasant too.

 

[winterwonderland]

First of all, that Samsung monitor you mentioned looks sweet, but is a bit too "ultra-wide". C'mon, a 49" screen with only 1080 vertical pixels? It's like 2x27" FullHD panels glued together. The pixels will be huge (not very good for photo editing). If there is a monitor with 3840x1440 now that would be perfect.

I'm currently using a WQHD (2560x1440) 24" monitor as main and have an old 4:3 1280x1024 17" as a secondary (which happens to have vertical mode and is exactly as high as the 24" main when in portrait mode).

Most games nowadays support windowed mode without performance penalty so if i had a 27"-28" ultrawide monitor it would give me similar screen real estate without the problems of multi-monitor setups.

Or to put it in other words, single big monitor has all the advantages of two smaller with same or similar screen real estate, but has some unique advantages like no differences in colour calibration, brightness, contrast and gamma between the two and 100% support for programs that don't play nice with multi-monitor.

BTW, what are you using the 3x24" monitors for? Stock market, video surveillance, 1000 linux terminals or ... ?

still having one is not having three,which is the point of having three.
the point of having three monitors is not just having the real estate but having three monitors.

best way is get a gaming one that does okay for work (like a 1080p IPS 144hz) and another one for work that uses more than 60hz (like 1440p 100/120hz VA) cause 100hz+ makes working more pleasant too.

Actually, i am using the monitors mainly for various statistical and analyzing data for sports sites, players, games and teams. All that while having several streams up and running while also multi-tasking some other things. That is why i need at least 4x monitors to work with. Anything less than 4 would not work for me, unfortunately. I also tried using a friends ultra wide to "split" the work on 1 monitor, but that didn't go too well and was quite troublesome as well. At least for my purposes. That is why i am looking into getting 3x monitors that i have ABOVE a bigger monitor which will be on the bottom. Kinda like this, except the biggest monitor will be where the small monitors are aka 3x smaller monitors above the bigger monitor:


The reason i want the bigger monitor on the bottom is because right now, i have it on top, as shown few posts ago, and that's not good for the neck. Another important factor is that the bigger screen will be easy to see for my visitors that come over as we tend to have movie/game nights. That's also why i want the bottom monitor to be bigger than 27", hence why i mentioned that LG 32"...

I know i am making things complicated, but i believe that will be the way to go for me in the end. Remember, i am not planning to do any excessive gaming. More like casual gaming. AND whenever i will game, i will not game FPS-games...

!! ALSO !!
5700XT Red Devil vs Nitro+... they are both about the same price now. Most of the shops around here have taken down the price of the Nitro+ a notch, and it seems to be permanent too! Both the cards cost now the same, actually. Red Devil still seems to be the choice, but i'll wait and see what happens within next month, hehe.

 

[holyprof]

Actually, i am using the monitors mainly for various statistical and analyzing data for sports sites, players, games and teams. All that while having several streams up and running while also multi-tasking some other things. That is why i need at least 4x monitors to work with. Anything less than 4 would not work for me, unfortunately. I also tried using a friends ultra wide to "split" the work on 1 monitor, but that didn't go too well and was quite troublesome as well. At least for my purposes. That is why i am looking into getting 3x monitors that i have ABOVE a bigger monitor which will be on the bottom. Kinda like this, except the biggest monitor will be where the small monitors are aka 3x smaller monitors above the bigger monitor:
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The reason i want the bigger monitor on the bottom is because right now, i have it on top, as shown few posts ago, and that's not good for the neck. Another important factor is that the bigger screen will be easy to see for my visitors that come over as we tend to have movie/game nights. That's also why i want the bottom monitor to be bigger than 27", hence why i mentioned that LG 32"...

I know i am making things complicated, but i believe that will be the way to go for me in the end. Remember, i am not planning to do any excessive gaming. More like casual gaming. AND whenever i will game, i will not game FPS-games...

!! ALSO !!
5700XT Red Devil vs Nitro+... they are both about the same price now. Most of the shops around here have taken down the price of the Nitro+ a notch, and it seems to be permanent too! Both the cards cost now the same, actually. Red Devil still seems to be the choice, but i'll wait and see what happens within next month, hehe.

Nice looking setup! That image helps a lot to understand your monitor configuration. Maybe keep the 3 you already have, and buy 1 ultrawide to put below them. Most modern games support ultrawide ratios. If you play simulator games like Eurotruck / American truck, or any other driving or flight simulator, a curved ultrawide would be alwesome. I think there are lots of adventure / shooter single player games that support ultrawide as well. Ultrawide is kind of "banned" from competitive PvP because it would give those who use them an unfair advantage.

Or maybe, get the 32" you mentioned and put it below the 3 you already have (or the 3 x 24" you plan on buying).

 

[winterwonderland]

Question: I know i have mentioned X570-F Gaming mobo few times now, but are there other similar mobos out there that are cheaper than that but would work equally good for my setup, perhaps? I mean, by the looks of it, there are a dozen choices for me when it comes to X570 mobo. I am simply asking if X570-F is that much more worth for me than -P, which is about $89-90 difference in price (10 NOK = $1'ish).. What am i missing out on if i go for a cheaper X570 mobo? Any thoughts on that, @NoJuan999 @cucker tarlson @holyprof and others?

Nice looking setup! That image helps a lot to understand your monitor configuration. Maybe keep the 3 you already have, and buy 1 ultrawide to put below them. Most modern games support ultrawide ratios. If you play simulator games like Eurotruck / American truck, or any other driving or flight simulator, a curved ultrawide would be alwesome. I think there are lots of adventure / shooter single player games that support ultrawide as well. Ultrawide is kind of "banned" from competitive PvP because it would give those who use them an unfair advantage.

Or maybe, get the 32" you mentioned and put it below the 3 you already have (or the 3 x 24" you plan on buying).

Actually, i've finalized it all now. Even made measurements. I'll actually go for LG 43" UD79 and Samsung C27JG50 curved that was mentioned earlier. Those screens will fit my purposes greatly, and both monitors for $550 in total, i cannot say no to that, to be honest.

 

[holyprof]

Nice, post a picture after you have all set up.