Phenom II X6 1055T now available !!! (not 1090T yet though)

[TheMailMan78]

A phenom 2 x4 965 @ 3.4ghz is still shy of i5 750 @ 2.66ghz in games or multithreaded apps. That's hardly keeping up. Clock for clock forget it. I7 is just that much faster.

Check the link if you haven't. In CPU intensive apps that love more cores a thuban 1055T is competitive with i7 920. In games not quite and is actually no better than phenom 2 x4.

And if I want I can show you benches in the opposite. The bottom line is the i7 or i5 is no faster in gaming then a Phenom II.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

whats even funnier is no matter how you spin it a thuban for $199 gives you i7 920/930 performance at what $100 less give or take. There is also the fact you can drop a thuban into a $80 785g board and overclock where as i7 your gonna have to pay dbl that for a motherboard. Still I7 is more powerfull yes but at the end of the day its no longer 4c 8t its vsing 6core 6 threads and there about even and when it comes to price intel dosent match amd overclocking yea taking that into account sure i7 wins but another point to remember is we make up 1% of the global market lmfao. Amd = cheap 6 core cpu OEMs will market the bejebus out of it and whats intel have thats right the 980x at $1000 in terms of overall market Phenom II is the cheaper alternative that oems can market and everyone knows it. When thinking on that note with the global economic down turn the majority of people cant afford a core i7 cpu ask anyone around here that works in a PC shop i can bet cold hard cash most ppl bring in the cheapest oem rigs they can buy.

not to mention core i7 lags behind even Core2 and Phenoms at higher res on occasion but more importantly in alot of instances i7 loses the minimum frame rate battle at stock clocks. The trade blows it shows COMPETITON which is good but i still cant justify $275 for a cpu $190-200+ for a mobo $150+ for ram to go i7 when i can get a thuban for $199 a cheapo 785g or 790x for $100 and 4gig DDR3 dual channel at $99 i wont fault ppl for going i7 if i had the cash i would to but in today's world price to performance rules and thats fact.

and besides when you think about most of intels Dual core cpus for crying out loud cost more then a Phenom II quad... hell i know brand new a Q9550 is still $60-70 more expensive then a 1055T

 

[xrealm20]

^ +1 Agreed Crazy --

 

[marvelous211]

And if I want I can show you benches in the opposite. The bottom line is the i7 or i5 is no faster in gaming then a Phenom II.

I can't argue with fans/owners who don't want to face reason or reality but please show some benches if you can. I would love to see phenom x4 beat an i5 750 or i7 920

Here's mine.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/18581/6

http://www.legionhardware.com/artic...ossfire_cpu_scaling_performance_part_2,1.html

http://techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_661/11.html

I could go on but what's the point?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

hmm okay so in those reviews your comparing a cpu at $1000 vs a cpu at $180 brilliance

not to mention higher res the i7 920 drops and LOSES the minimum frame rate battle heres my point your expensive mobo ram and cpu dont mean shit if it cant offer BETTER minimum frame rates then the half priced competitor and with an average frame rate 5fps HIGHER i LOL seriously i7 980x 33 69 min avg in borderlands Phenom 965 23 63 the 980x wins minimum but lets see $800 price difference yup

 

[cdawall]

Er yeah I agreed, 2 mores core, 33% more heat and power consume.

you know thats ingenious i never would think a chip rated for the same TDP would clock worse than one with less cores. man someone should tell intel and AMD that cause for some reason they sell cpu's that aren't all single cores and yet they still clock good. man this is crazy does anyone know if the i7 clocks better than a single p3? or if a phenom X4 clocks better than a FX57? i mean the phenom X4 has a higher TDP and 3 more cores than a FX57 there is no way it can out clock a single core FX57!

now that the sarcastic remark is out of the way there is no reason that a hexa core will not out clock a quad core the cpu's have the same wattage which means each core outputs less heat to accomplish the same work (clockspeed) this is done through less voltage or a better process. remember this isn't a half-assed pentium D AMD didn't take a phenom and glue an athlon to it. this is a while new die. it clocks the same as a phenom II C3 the new chips are just as clockable as the old ones extra cores does not affect that as my sarcastic remark kinda shows a little more bluntly.

 

[marvelous211]

hmm okay so in those reviews your comparing a cpu at $1000 vs a cpu at $180 brilliance

Look harder. i5 750 and i7 920 benches are included as well as Phenom x4 965.,

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

you look again similar minimum frame rate 1-3 fps difference average frame rate i dont see where intel wins where it matters i save 30% get a better fucking video card and then the bench means nothing... thats MY point intel isnt competing where it matters there top dog in a race that dosent matter a q6600 from 4 years ago still offers playable frame rates in every single game period and so does a god damn Phenom 9600 at 2.3ghz

 

[cdawall]

Look harder. i5 750 and i7 920 benches are included as well as Phenom x4 965.,

i fail to see the 750 above the phenoms?

oh in this one either?

shit barely on this

phew its 2 vs 2 but intel is better so it wins duh

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

and as you know cd my point remains $99 cpu offers perfect performance in gaming sure you can buy the i5 750 or i7 920 and overclock the dog shit out of it but it dosent really matter because even the hardest to run games such as metro 2033 and crysis only use 2 cores and games that use more are still gpu bound the price of an i7 setup vs a phenom II setup i can buy a 2nd gpu and whoop said i7s ass in benchmarks its the tech world get over it you can say i7 is better im not gonna deny it but how much is that 1-5 % worth when it costs your DOUBLE

they trade blows back and forth that much is obvious but my point remains most ppl wont see the benefit of paying 2x as much for 1-10fps in a game that already gets 60+ fps with an 8800 series gpu from 4 years ago

 

[marvelous211]

not to mention higher res the i7 920 drops and LOSES the minimum frame rate battle heres my point your expensive mobo ram and cpu dont mean shit if it cant offer BETTER minimum frame rates then the half priced competitor and with an average frame rate 5fps HIGHER i LOL seriously i7 980x 33 69 min avg in borderlands Phenom 965 23 63 the 980x wins minimum but lets see $800 price difference yup

Take a hard look at minimum frame rates. It's not hard to read numbers is it?

http://www.legionhardware.com/artic...ossfire_cpu_scaling_performance_part_2,1.html

Phenom x4 is no better than i3 clock for clock let alone i5 750/i7.

Why is that you AMD owners don't want to face the music? You bought your setup because it's cheap and perform almost as good. I can understand that but trying to argue that it's better than an i7 is loco.

 

[cdawall]

i think i have the best point for this thread it is about the release of a new thuban chip FS on amazon.com how about instead of trying to prove that intel is still god you go pull your coolers of the i5/i7's and kiss your chip since you love it so damn much.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

and you fail to read my posts i havent DENIED i7 is better at all genius..... jesus all im saying is

i7 930 is $300 x58 board is $220 triple channel ddr3 1600 is $150
add that up $670
1055T $200 790x 110 DDR3 1600 $110 $420 so you expect me to pay an extra $250 when i could i dont know use that extra 250 saved buy ANOTHER 5850 and then have crossfire 5850s where im sorry in terms of gaming your i7 will lose at the same price point


i7 is top dog in performance period thats the way it works

but in terms of price to performance it dosent deliever for 99% of the users out there as i said we make up 1% of the global market for this stuff


http://www.legionhardware.com/artic...ossfire_cpu_scaling_performance_part_2,5.html

from the same review you post oh whats this??? an athlon II x4 and core 2 duo are omg rivaling an i7 OMG NO WAY

not trying to knock you marvelous if i HAD the money id have i7 but i dont and i wanted game performance today not promises and wishfull thinking tomorrow i dont encode i dont do anything of that nature where i7 will benefit me i only needed a quad for rendering in Maya and at the time i build my rig the i7 being 70% more expensive just didnt appeal to me then by the time i upgrade again it will be the next generation of cpus thuban offers me a drop in upgrade if i need it I7 welll there gonna jump sockets again... and theres rumors bulldozer will be AM3+ with some backwards compatible to AM3. If you have the cash to keep up i salute you i dont and because of that AMD gets my money. They offer me what i need at what i can afford and theres nothing intel has in my price bracket to rival it

i remember paying $150 for my 940be 120 for my mobo and 100 for 8 gigs ram at the time an i7 was 300+ x58 boards were $275+ and triple channel ddr3 was 300+ im sure you can see why i made the choice i did its all relative really i know some people that refuse to buy ATi gpus others that refuse to buy Nvidia same goes for CPUs or oem brands etc etc everyones perception is different i care about price to performance period no iffs ands or buts about it

 

[cdawall]

Take a hard look at minimum frame rates. It's not hard to read numbers is it?

http://www.legionhardware.com/artic...ossfire_cpu_scaling_performance_part_2,1.html

Phenom x4 is no better than i3 clock for clock let alone i5 750/i7.

Why is that you AMD owners don't want to face the music? You bought your setup because it's cheap and perform almost as good. I can understand that but trying to argue that it's better than an i7 is loco.

maybe the review is one sided not that thats ever happened in the past. i tend to fall behind the tpu review seeing how its tpu and i have yet to see them be one sided in any review

 

[marvelous211]

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_661/images/mw2_1680.gif

i fail to see the 750 above the phenoms?

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_661/images/dirt2_1680.gif

oh in this one either?

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_661/images/gtr_1680.gif

shit barely on this

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_661/images/resident_evil_5_1680.gif

phew its 2 vs 2 but intel is better so it wins duh

You can hold your entire argument on anomalies but....

Look at the minimum frame rate difference. That's at 2560x1600 in one of the most GPU intensive game available for the PC.

 

[Necrofire]

Not really too interested in clock for clock performance, more interested in overall performance/cost for a whole machine (which is where an AMD cpu/mobo will outdo an Intel cpu/mobo I would think, with similar spec mobos).

 

[marvelous211]

maybe the review is one sided not that thats ever happened in the past. i tend to fall behind the tpu review seeing how its tpu and i have yet to see them be one sided in any review

Perhaps it was one sided for TPU benches when almost every single tech site reviews the phenom as slower part. no?

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

still double price for 3 fps .......

i7 at 3.2 vs PII at 3.2 i7 920/930 is $300 Phenom II 955 is $150-60 18fps i7 15fps PII min 33fps i7 35fps PII average in the most demanding game period so yay i pay dbl for 3 fucking frames

all other games run fine on a god damned 2ghz dual core so your point is MOOT crysis dosent support more then 2 cores metro doesnt support more then 2 cores and no matter how you spin it GPU is still most important factor for the price of an i7 setup i can go PII and get 2 gpus for the same price at checkout

 

[cdawall]

You can hold your entire argument on anomalies but....


http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-roundup-2010q1/mw2.gif

http://www.legionhardware.com/image...g_Performance_Part2/Core_i7_9xx/Crysis_02.png

http://www.legionhardware.com/image..._Performance_Part2/Phenom_II_X4/Crysis_02.png

Look at the minimum frame rate difference. That's at 2560x1600 in one of the most GPU intensive game available for the PC.

phew thats insane the athlon 630 competes with the i3 its priced lower than and the phenom 965 competes with the 920/750 its priced lower than god what is this world coming to!

Perhaps it was one sided for TPU benches when almost every single tech site reviews the phenom as slower part. no?

and perhaps elvis is still alive. if we all went of perhaps and maybes i would be president.

point is you posted benchmarks i pulled the ones that very clearly showed the phenom winning and yet now they don't count. perhaps if your going to be an intel fanboi and post absolutely nothing worthwhile in this thread you should go in your user cp section and select the unsubscribe button or better yet why don't you post some benchmarks off of your intel chip and i will post some off of an old C2 athlon II 250 and i will show you how a dual core can make your chip look like yesterdays garbage. for some reason i don't see the money i saved going with AMD getting beaten out by your so much better intel chip. my slow AMD rig could beat your setup with xfire turned off.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

for the price difference between thuban and core i5 / i7 i can grab a second 5770 up to a 5850 for crossfire and the amd rig will be within a few $$$ of the i5/i7 rig with a single gpu

anyway i think im just gonna walk away from the thread

i know for a fact i paid nearly 60% less for my setup then a comparable intell setup at the time im happy about that im happy i have the ability to drop in a 6 core cpu that dosent cost me $1000 im also happy that nearly a year later my old DDR2 / 940be still offers me performance that rivals $1000 cpus yet gave me enough headroom for 2 gpus instead of 1 for gaming,,, everyone works a job or gets money somehow and they can spend it as they please.. i wont argue further but ill stand by my choice in that i saved $600 when i built my rig and that cash saved let me nab 2 5850s at launch instead of 1

 

[Wile E]

I can't argue with fans/owners who don't want to face reason or reality but please show some benches if you can. I would love to see phenom x4 beat an i5 750 or i7 920

Here's mine.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/18581/6

http://www.legionhardware.com/artic...ossfire_cpu_scaling_performance_part_2,1.html

http://techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_661/11.html

I could go on but what's the point?

And 63-68 fps makes absolutely no difference in real world gaming, much less going from a triple digit framerate to a higher triple digit framerate. You will not notice the difference, unless you are benching.

That said, I have a 980X system sitting, waiting for ram to get it going. It will be primarily a bench machine. I plan to replace this QX9650 with a 1090T for 24/7 and gaming use.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Give it up guys. You can't fight the logic of a fanboy. Thats why I didnt bother looking for benches.

 

[n-ster]

While I am an incredible i7 920 fan, amd just will deliver better price/performance here... Thing is, back when it was PII 965 vs i7 920, I sided on the i7 and my arguments were great, yet I was bashed for it

Now i7 can be worth it...

If you get an i7 930 at MC, its 200$+tax (at least for me it is 207$ with tax, I'm guessing up to 220$ for some?)... + a <150$ mobo from newegg, say that foxconn... RAM... now here is the thing. if you want value for money, just get a dual channel 4gb kit... 100$

How much is that? 455~470$

Now the 6 cores

CPU: 200-225
Mobo that isn't too bad?: 80-120$
RAM: 100$

That's 380-450$

So if you wanted 2x 16x PCI-E lanes, the possibility of going tri-channel RAM, better RAID controller I think?, and possibility for an upgrade to 6 core + HT when non extreme chips come, lga 1366 is good value. In this particular case it is still good. But AMD's thuban is GREAT value... You don't have a Microcenter near you? you could get it through someone, it would be OK deal... else, just don't go lga 1366 unless you really want tri-channel RAM or the RAID controller is overly important to you or if you want to upgrade soon.

Spoiler

MINI RANT

Ah, but VS a PII 965 I had remembered, it was 200-230$ for an i7 from microcenter, a board was 170-200$, and 6gb RAM was 80$, while the PII 965 was like 250$, motherboard was 100-125+$, and 4gb of RAM was 60~65$, so for ~50$ more, you could get an i7 and some people hated me because I would take out that argument, and they would twist prices in their favor and never counting Microcenter, while all I was saying is that for people with Microcenter nearby, i7 920 was a great deal vs PII 965

Anyways, all in all, if you ever want to do a 6core AMD vs i7, then do it only if you have a Microcenter nearby, or if Fry's is offering those great deals


As for PII 965 vs i5 750, from what I see, PII 965+mobo is the same price as the i5 750+mobo? i5 750 has more raw power but AMD has that smoothness factor... isn't the i5 750 a better value?

 

[marvelous211]

phew thats insane the athlon 630 competes with the i3 its priced lower than and the phenom 965 competes with the 920/750 its priced lower than god what is this world coming to!

I bought my i3 for $85 and have it overclocked to 4.3 ghz. Now the athlon x4 and phenom x4 seem like a rip off from where I'm sitting because they don't overclock quite as good as intel counterparts.

point is you posted benchmarks i pulled the ones that very clearly showed the phenom winning and yet now they don't count. perhaps if your going to be an intel fanboi and post absolutely nothing worthwhile in this thread you should go in your user cp section and select the unsubscribe button or better yet why don't you post some benchmarks off of your intel chip and i will post some off of an old C2 athlon II 250 and i will show you how a dual core can make your chip look like yesterdays garbage. for some reason i don't see the money i saved going with AMD getting beaten out by your so much better intel chip. my slow AMD rig could beat your setup with xfire turned off.

You are basing your entire argument on 1 benchmark in 1 review site as it can be skewed. I provided several but you can't accept your phenom is slower than i7 let alone an i5750. Okay whatever. That's fine. I might have better luck conversing with a wall than try to reason with a fanboi.

Okay my i3 sucks and it's garbage so is i7. Phenom is godly and perform better than i7 in games.

 

[n-ster]

LOL FANBOY VS FANBOY?

IMO athlon 630>i3
IMO i5 750>Phenom 965
IMO i7 920/30 ~= or little better Thuban if MicroCenter is nearby, the opposite if you can get through someone else not too expensive, and Thuban> i7 920 if no Microcenter or great Fry's prices sometimes

on + on the i7 920 is that you can get used ones very easily at low price, same for 6gb kits and mobo