Phenom II X6 1055T now available !!! (not 1090T yet though)

[suraswami]

and as you know cd my point remains $99 cpu offers perfect performance in gaming sure you can buy the i5 750 or i7 920 and overclock the dog shit out of it but it dosent really matter because even the hardest to run games such as metro 2033 and crysis only use 2 cores and games that use more are still gpu bound the price of an i7 setup vs a phenom II setup i can buy a 2nd gpu and whoop said i7s ass in benchmarks its the tech world get over it you can say i7 is better im not gonna deny it but how much is that 1-5 % worth when it costs your DOUBLE

they trade blows back and forth that much is obvious but my point remains most ppl wont see the benefit of paying 2x as much for 1-10fps in a game that already gets 60+ fps with an 8800 series gpu from 4 years ago

i think i have the best point for this thread it is about the release of a new thuban chip FS on amazon.com how about instead of trying to prove that intel is still god you go pull your coolers of the i5/i7's and kiss your chip since you love it so damn much.

and you fail to read my posts i havent DENIED i7 is better at all genius..... jesus all im saying is

i7 930 is $300 x58 board is $220 triple channel ddr3 1600 is $150
add that up $670
1055T $200 790x 110 DDR3 1600 $110 $420 so you expect me to pay an extra $250 when i could i dont know use that extra 250 saved buy ANOTHER 5850 and then have crossfire 5850s where im sorry in terms of gaming your i7 will lose at the same price point


i7 is top dog in performance period thats the way it works

but in terms of price to performance it dosent deliever for 99% of the users out there as i said we make up 1% of the global market for this stuff


http://www.legionhardware.com/artic...ossfire_cpu_scaling_performance_part_2,5.html

from the same review you post oh whats this??? an athlon II x4 and core 2 duo are omg rivaling an i7 OMG NO WAY

not trying to knock you marvelous if i HAD the money id have i7 but i dont and i wanted game performance today not promises and wishfull thinking tomorrow i dont encode i dont do anything of that nature where i7 will benefit me i only needed a quad for rendering in Maya and at the time i build my rig the i7 being 70% more expensive just didnt appeal to me then by the time i upgrade again it will be the next generation of cpus thuban offers me a drop in upgrade if i need it I7 welll there gonna jump sockets again... and theres rumors bulldozer will be AM3+ with some backwards compatible to AM3. If you have the cash to keep up i salute you i dont and because of that AMD gets my money. They offer me what i need at what i can afford and theres nothing intel has in my price bracket to rival it

i remember paying $150 for my 940be 120 for my mobo and 100 for 8 gigs ram at the time an i7 was 300+ x58 boards were $275+ and triple channel ddr3 was 300+ im sure you can see why i made the choice i did its all relative really i know some people that refuse to buy ATi gpus others that refuse to buy Nvidia same goes for CPUs or oem brands etc etc everyones perception is different i care about price to performance period no iffs ands or buts about it

maybe the review is one sided not that thats ever happened in the past. i tend to fall behind the tpu review seeing how its tpu and i have yet to see them be one sided in any review

How many ever times you keep saying, this war never ends, people on the dark side are deaf and dumb. So why waste your energy, its like shouting on top of your lungs at a war damaged half wall tearing your larynx and ending up just loosing your voice

All you need to do is and go on.

Anyway I just went to my local Frys and they have 1055T in stock, it will be sold on release day.

My question, is the release day 26th or 27th April. The sales guy said its 27th, but I have seen few say its 26th. So somebody please clear me on this.

And oh I don't need a 1055T to enjoy games, as such my X4 B55 with 2 x 4850 kicks ass. The 1055 is just for kicks . May be who knows I might just sell my 4850s and get 2 x 5770s.

 

[cdawall]

I bought my i3 for $85 and have it overclocked to 4.3 ghz. Now the athlon x4 and phenom x4 seem like a rip off from where I'm sitting because they don't overclock quite as good as intel counterparts.






You are basing your entire argument on 1 benchmark in 1 review site as it can be skewed. I provided several but you can't accept your phenom is slower than i7 let alone an i5750. Okay whatever. That's fine. I might have better luck conversing with a wall than try to reason with a fanboi.

Okay my i3 sucks and it's garbage so is i7. Phenom is godly and perform better than i7 in games.

and i got my 955 for free so your i3 looks like a rip off. the 920 beats a 965 phenom however the 1090T should be a different story it carries the same tricks that an i7 does for boosting clock speed when needed (turbo) and has 6 cores there is no reason why the 1090T shouldn't be competing with the higher end quad core i7's. everyone here tried to prove you wrong and you continue to argue your crap is better its gets kind of old sometimes if your going to sit and fondle your i3 in the phenom thread you should expect to get called out by AMD fans thats how AMD threads work. hell thats how intel threads work to.

LOL FANBOY VS FANBOY?

IMO athlon 630>i3
IMO i5 750>Phenom 965
IMO i7 920/30 ~= or little better Thuban if MicroCenter is nearby, the opposite if you can get through someone else not too expensive, and Thuban> i7 920 if no Microcenter or great Fry's prices sometimes

on + on the i7 920 is that you can get used ones very easily at low price, same for 6gb kits and mobo

you can get cheap AMD's as well 940's as low as $100 other than that i agree with your chart completely.

 

[marvelous211]

and i got my 955 for free so your i3 looks like a rip off. the 920 beats a 965 phenom however the 1090T should be a different story it carries the same tricks that an i7 does for boosting clock speed when needed (turbo) and has 6 cores there is no reason why the 1090T shouldn't be competing with the higher end quad core i7's. everyone here tried to prove you wrong and you continue to argue your crap is better its gets kind of old sometimes if your going to sit and fondle your i3 in the phenom thread you should expect to get called out by AMD fans thats how AMD threads work. hell thats how intel threads work to.

So in this thread you were arguing how an phenom 2 x4 beats i7/i5750. Then in this post you went ahead and acknowledged that i7 is faster?

Thuban benches have been out for a while now. All but "1" bench I7 > 1055T.

http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/reviews/1004/2096865_5.html

 

[n-ster]

Phenom II 940s are in between the athlon 630 and the i5 750, and they are great value for used... The intel competition for that would be lga 775 used, and Phenom II 940 is most of the time a better deal for sure


And another thing from Thuban the people might not realize is that if you have an AM2+ mobo thats supports it, or an AM3 mobo, then easy upgrade with HUGE performance boosts, you got one of those boards? you buy an i7 920 to replace your rig and you are an idiot lol... 200$ vs 500$ for the same thing lol

 

[Wile E]

I thought the phenom x4 beat i7 920?

Benches have been out for a while now.

http://img3.pconline.com.cn/pconline/1004/13/2096865_sc2_thumb.jpg

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http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/reviews/1004/2096865_5.html

Your images no worky. Need to move them to a different host, they are blocking hotlinking.

 

[kid41212003]

You can read them here:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1868729&postcount=15

 

[Wile E]

You can read them here:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1868729&postcount=15

I'll wait for more benches. Encoding performance (not with TMPGEnc) is where I'm most interested, as the next cpu I buy will be the 24/7 rig.

 

[cdawall]

I thought the phenom x4 beat i7 920?

Benches have been out for a while now.

http://diy.pconline.com.cn/cpu/reviews/1004/2096865_5.html

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Wait I thought we had to have more than one source? Oh wait those numbers are prerelease. Wait nevermind intel wins in them so its ok. God forbid amd wins andthing prerelease though that would be fake. You know while we arguing stupidity anybody wanna argue fermi vs the 5870?

 

[marvelous211]

Wait I thought we had to have more than one source? Oh wait those numbers are prerelease. Wait nevermind intel wins in them so its ok. God forbid amd wins andthing prerelease though that would be fake. You know while we arguing stupidity anybody wanna argue fermi vs the 5870?

There's only 1 credible source at the moment. I provide proof but you brought your imagination. Phenom rocks the socks. I got it.

 

[Wile E]

Well, tbh, he is kinda right. Prerelease numbers are not always trustworthy. I think we are going to have to wait this debate out until the official numbers come pouring in.

 

[n-ster]

There's only 1 credible source at the moment. I provide proof but you brought your imagination. Phenom rocks the socks. I got it.

Dude, I think your fanboism blinds you... You should read my posts

I is objective YAHHH!!!I kn0wz thatz this iz not vell wr1tt3n

 

[Psychoholic]

wow, this intel fanboy is making me ashamed to own an i7

 

[marvelous211]

Well, tbh, he is kinda right. Prerelease numbers are not always trustworthy. I think we are going to have to wait this debate out until the official numbers come pouring in.

Now if this was some off site with no records of showing release benches then yeah I have to agree with you but they are a legitimate hardware site that test real hardware.

 

[dumo]

Arguing based on other peeps review is waste of time. DIY!!

Just buy one of those X6s and try it yourself and if you like it, quicker than Intel cpu then keep it....If not, sell it or donate it

 

[Wile E]

Now if this was some off site with no records of showing release benches then yeah I have to agree with you but they are a legitimate hardware site that test real hardware.

How do I know that? I can't read it at all. I'm not going to just take some random guys word on the internet about it. When multiple official reviews show the same trends, I'll believe it. I simply do not trust prerelease numbers. I learned that lesson first hand on HD 2900. That doesn't mean those numbers are wrong, just that I will not trust them until there is more data to back them.

 

[marvelous211]

Dude, I think your fanboism blinds you... You should read my posts

I is objective YAHHH!!!I kn0wz thatz this iz not vell wr1tt3n

How is this fanboism? Real benches and real numbers and speaking performance wise is fanboism? Or bunch of AMD owners who think their phenom is faster than i7.

 

[dumo]

If Newegg sell Intel 980X @ $399, I'll ditch my X6 1090T for sure

 

[marvelous211]

How do I know that? I can't read it at all. I'm not going to just take some random guys word on the internet about it. When multiple official reviews show the same trends, I'll believe it. I simply do not trust prerelease numbers. I learned that lesson first hand on HD 2900. That doesn't mean those numbers are wrong, just that I will not trust them until there is more data to back them.

They aren't random guys. PConline is well established site if you ever read any of their articles.

 

[n-ster]

Wait, I'm confused, are you comparing i7 920 vs Thuban?

 

[Wile E]

They aren't random guys. PConline is well established site if you ever read any of their articles.

How the hell am I supposed to read their articles? I just got done telling you that I can't read that. The only "proof" that they are reliable is coming from your word, which, no offense, has no merit to me, as I don't know you personally. That's not proof to me.

And even if they are reliable, it's still only one source. You have to pool the data from numerous reviews and tests to form a valid opinion on component performance. There are just too many variables involved.

You've made your case, now it's time to sit back and see if all the other reviews support it or not.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

lol i still remember when ppl figured out overclocking the Phenoms northbridge made a huge improvement lol cant remember which forum i read it on but after 100 pages of oohs and aaahs it was comical enough.

more on topic i agree with Wile E i wont deny i7 is superior but i want to see where Thuban ends up. if at $199 it offers me i7 performance its a no brainer

 

[kenkickr]

I've used both and to be honest I let my check book do the talking when it comes to me purchasing components and right now my money says to buy AMD because a marginal gain for something that will easily cost $100-250 more from the intel camp just isn't worth it. I've been very happy with my PII 965. It handles everything I throw at it and I play games just as comfortable as the guy with the i5-i7.

Hopefully I didn't stroke any e-pens on my statement.

 

[n-ster]

I've used both and to be honest I let my check book do the talking when it comes to me purchasing components and right now my money says to buy AMD because a marginal gain for something that will easily cost $100-250 more from the intel camp just isn't worth it. I've been very happy with my PII 965. It handles everything I throw at it and I play games just as comfortable as the guy with the i5-i7.

Hopefully I didn't stroke any e-pens on my statement.

Was your 5870 a better investment than going 5850? you only get marginable gains after OC

It depends on the circumstances IMO... right now, prices between i5 750 and Phenom 965 are very similar, so much so that I''d say almost equal... you can't deny that for Raw power, the i5 750 is better unless the smoothness factor important to you. technically the i5 750 would be a better buy. Now say you bought this not too long ago, you would have heard about the 6 cores being compatible with am2+/AM3 and stuff, then the phenom II 965 would have been a better buy, but then again, you look at the Phenom II 955, and for 20-30$, you have very little performance gain, so was your phenom II 965 such a good buy?


My point is, it DEPENDS DEPENDS OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOUR NEEDS

 

[marvelous211]

How the hell am I supposed to read their articles? I just got done telling you that I can't read that. The only "proof" that they are reliable is coming from your word, which, no offense, has no merit to me, as I don't know you personally. That's not proof to me.

And even if they are reliable, it's still only one source. You have to pool the data from numerous reviews and tests to form a valid opinion on component performance. There are just too many variables involved.

You've made your case, now it's time to sit back and see if all the other reviews support it or not.

Hey that's what I tried to tell cdawall but he posted 1 or 2 benches from 1 source and told me phenom 2 x4 is faster than i5/i7.

If he's able to tell me Phenom x4 is faster with 1 or 2 benches from 1 source even though from the same source is getting beat by i5 750 in majority of the benches. I should be able to do the same thing. No? Is this some kind of prejudice thing going on I should know about?

 

[Wile E]

Was your 5870 a better investment than going 5850? you only get marginable gains after OC

It depends on the circumstances IMO... right now, prices between i5 750 and Phenom 965 are very similar, so much so that I''d say almost equal... you can't deny that for Raw power, the i5 750 is better unless the smoothness factor important to you. technically the i5 750 would be a better buy. Now say you bought this not too long ago, you would have heard about the 6 cores being compatible with am2+/AM3 and stuff, then the phenom II 965 would have been a better buy, but then again, you look at the Phenom II 955, and for 20-30$, you have very little performance gain, so was your phenom II 965 such a good buy?


My point is, it DEPENDS DEPENDS OF YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOUR NEEDS

Couldn't have said it better myself. My "needs" (using that term very loosly here. lol) dictated that I buy a 980X. Was it worth it for minimal gains over a far cheaper solution? To me, yes, yes it was.

Now, for system 2, I have the option of parting out this QX rig, and going with either a Thuban, or another X58 rig with a quad. For a fresh budget build, this debate could go either way, and I am very interested in the outcome, especially in encoding type tasks.

Hey that's what I tried to tell cdawall but he posted 1 or 2 benches from 1 source and told me phenom 2 x4 is faster than i5/i7.

If he's able to tell me Phenom x4 is faster with 1 or 2 benches from 1 source even though from the same source is getting beat by i5 750 in majority of the benches. I should be able to do the same thing. No? Is this some kind of prejudice thing going on I should know about?

Nope. I just skimmed. My bad. lol. Trust me, there's no bias from me, I've had it out with cd on numerous occasions on very similar topics. lol.