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I understand TPU's policy of not talking politics and agree with it, in general. However, every now and then, politics impacts directly on the technology that we talk about on here, such as this article:

https://www.techpowerup.com/251297/u-s-government-shutdown-hits-several-ces-exhibitors-hard

In such a situation however, the politics of the situation is integral to the story, since it's caused it, so I think people should be allowed to talk about it, eg Trump's policies etc. In this case, it's Trump's controversial government shutdown adversely affecting CES. Not allowing it is ignoring the elephant in the room. Therefore, perhaps a slight revision to this forum rule is in order to allow politics discussion in the context of the specific story.

Let's have your opinion on this people, especially @W1zzard
 

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I don’t see anything regarding not talking about politics in that thread.

I made a similar comment on the Linux foundation changes iirc.

We have been tolerating political discussions thus far in news posts so I’m not sure why this thread exists.

I am 100% against it in any part of the forum other than news posts.
 

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I don’t see anything regarding not talking about politics in that thread.
It wasn't mentioned in the thread, but people are sidestepping the core issue that's causing the situation, Trump's government shutdown. That's why this thread exists.
 
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In this case, it's Trump's controversial government shutdown adversely affecting CES.
Your one sided view on this is rather biased and scant on facts. Did Congress pass a budget that President Trump refused to sign? No. Congressional Democrats are refusing to provide funding to secure the border and Congress can't come up with a budget. But hey, blame Trump for international shipping delays.
 

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But no one wants to share that anyways,
Your one sided view on this is rather biased and scant on facts. Did Congress pass a budget that President Trump refused to sign? No. Congressional Democrats are refusing to provide funding to secure the border and Congress can't come up with a budget. But hey, blame Trump for international shipping delays.
This all day long, but i guess you could say i was being one sided too buut shit. lets drop this shit as most cannot even hadle the truth.
 

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Your one sided view on this is rather biased and scant on facts. Did Congress pass a budget that President Trump refused to sign? No. Congressional Democrats are refusing to provide funding to secure the border and Congress can't come up with a budget. But hey, blame Trump for international shipping delays.
Oh dear, hardly. :rolleyes: I think you've missed something there and I really don't like your tone, so I won't waste any more time arguing with you.
 
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We have been tolerating political discussions thus far in news posts so I’m not sure why this thread exists.
No, we really haven't. I got a reply ban for one in which I was completely civil (that same linux newspost). I just assumed it was due to the "no politics" policy and went with it, but the rule really needs clarification because clearly, we aren't just allowed to discuss it.

Did Congress pass a budget that President Trump refused to sign? No.
They were going to (had the votes lined up to pass it and everything) had he not outright stated he wasn't going to sign that bipartisan attempt because "no wall money" and they decided not to waste their time, but meh, details eh?

So basically, yes. But it's ok, because the wall is going to be transparent as a concession to the apparent criticism of his lack of transparency. As in see through. (I swear, you can't make this shit up)

When does Mexico pay for it, again?

But no one wants to share that anyways
Probably because in this case one side has facts the other has rhetoric. I mean if the facts criticize your president, then maybe you should reconsider supporting him on that issue.

I mean I liked Obama but I called him on a lot of shit when he was factually doing things that hurt americans, mostly expansions of net monitoring and NSA programs (a civil rights attourney should know better, ya know?). You'd think other people would have the maturity to do the same with their candidate but sadly this seems to be a partisan mess of chanting and doing the "choo choo the trump train can't stop!" like motions.

I mean who the heck put's a candidate or government official in their avatar? I can't remember that in my memory online for ANY country, as an example, yet several members here are doing it today. Something about that is messed up to me. It's reminscent of something out of "Dear leader" land. It's almost unamerican to do that (aren't we supposed to hate officials or something?). It's frickin' bizzare.

That's why I think we need a blanket ban on politics. Including editors, avatars, the works. Because the few of us who can discuss it civil are apparently the vast minority. So even attempting to engage in it is pointless and will lead to conflict.
 
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Take your politics stuff to Reddit or 4chan. We’ve got enough brain dead fanatic hardware fans already can’t really risking make this place even more toxic if we go open season on politics posts. Lately it has been extremely bad in terms of toxicity in news discussions.

Also while we are at it, the news staff needs to work on curbing their ’love’ for clicky-baity titles.

No, we really haven't. I got a reply ban for one in which I was completely civil (that same linux newspost). I just assumed it was due to the "no politics" policy and went with it, but the rule really needs clarification because clearly, we aren't just allowed to discuss it.



They were going to (had the votes lined up to pass it and everything) had he not outright stated he wasn't going to sign that bipartisan attempt because "no wall money" and they decided not to waste their time, but meh, details eh?

So basically, yes. But it's ok, because the wall is going to be transparent as a concession to the apparent criticism of his lack of transparency. As in see through. (I swear, you can't make this shit up)

When does Mexico pay for it, again?



Probably because in this case one side has facts the other has rhetoric. I mean if the facts criticize your president, then maybe you should reconsider supporting him on that issue.

I mean I liked Obama but I called him on a lot of shit when he was factually doing things that hurt americans, mostly expansions of net monitoring and NSA programs (a civil rights attourney should know better, ya know?). You'd think other people would have the maturity to do the same with their candidate but sadly this seems to be a partisan mess of chanting and doing the "choo choo the trump train can't stop!" like motions.

I mean who the heck put's a candidate or government official in their avatar? I can't remember that in my memory online for ANY country, as an example, yet several members here are doing it today. Something about that is messed up to me. It's reminscent of something out of "Dear leader" land. It's almost unamerican to do that (aren't we supposed to hate officials or something?). It's frickin' bizzare.

That's why I think we need a blanket ban on politics. Including editors, avatars, the works. Because the few of us who can discuss it civil are apparently the vast minority. So even attempting to engage in it is pointless and will lead to conflict.

Edit: hate typing on phones with damn autocorrect
 
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Take your politics stuff to Reddit or 4chan.
Calm down dear. This is intended to be a polite discussion for grownups. Keep it that way, thanks.
 
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And this is why no politics......
 

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Nothing wrong in supporting some body you believe in, how ever got to understand that no ones perfect.

No, we really haven't. I got a reply ban for one in which I was completely civil (that same linux newspost). I just assumed it was due to the "no politics" policy and went with it, but the rule really needs clarification because clearly, we aren't just allowed to discuss it.



They were going to (had the votes lined up to pass it and everything) had he not outright stated he wasn't going to sign that bipartisan attempt because "no wall money" and they decided not to waste their time, but meh, details eh?

So basically, yes. But it's ok, because the wall is going to be transparent as a concession to the apparent criticism of his lack of transparency. As in see through. (I swear, you can't make this shit up)

When does Mexico pay for it, again?



Probably because in this case one side has facts the other has rhetoric. I mean if the facts criticize your president, then maybe you should reconsider supporting him on that issue.

I mean I liked Obama but I called him on a lot of shit when he was factually doing things that hurt americans, mostly expansions of net monitoring and NSA programs (a civil rights attourney should know better, ya know?). You'd think other people would have the maturity to do the same with their candidate but sadly this seems to be a partisan mess of chanting and doing the "choo choo the trump train can't stop!" like motions.

I mean who the heck put's a candidate or government official in their avatar? I can't remember that in my memory online for ANY country, as an example, yet several members here are doing it today. Something about that is messed up to me. It's reminscent of something out of "Dear leader" land. It's almost unamerican to do that (aren't we supposed to hate officials or something?). It's frickin' bizzare.

That's why I think we need a blanket ban on politics. Including editors, avatars, the works. Because the few of us who can discuss it civil are apparently the vast minority. So even attempting to engage in it is pointless and will lead to conflict.
Isn't the wall being payed by the USMCA deal with Mexico and Canada ?, like though the lower tariffs and such ?.

Trumps gotta hold his ground and i am glad he is and has clearly shown what idiots the other side's being. I have democratic friends just not hard left.

I am just glad i don't live in the UK any longer.

Hey maybe America should not of gave 54billion to other country's, in the end i seen much better things happening with Trump than the 3 president's.

As for Obama i don't even beieve should of been able to be a president in the first place.

Anyways i have nothing else to say as it's just better that way
 
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this thread was doomed the very second the word "politic" was written.

You guys can't behave in public. That's a free slap in your faces from me to you. :slap:
 
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Man. You Americans and Brits sure make good entertainment when you get upset about your specific parties.

But yeah, no politics here imo. Look at Anandtech forums. Their Political section is so toxic, its unbelievable the things people write.
 
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Isn't the wall being payed by the USMCA deal with Mexico and Canada ?, like though the lower tariffs and such ?.
If that could actually be substantiated it'd almost make up for it if he balanced the budget (since we are now considering other parts of our income to justify someone "paying for" something). But we're actually worse off there than before, so no way.

how ever got to understand that no ones perfect.
As for Obama i don't even beieve should of been able to be a president in the first place.
Well now you know how I feel about Trump. Difference is I never paraded Obama around like some sort of savior.

Trumps gotta hold his ground and i am glad he is and has clearly shown what idiots the other side's being.
I think that's going to backfire hard, but have fun making everyone mad with a shutdown and thinking it'll earn you votes...

And this is why no politics......
No, this whole thread is why no politics. That's the point. I'll quit gladly the day the rule becomes firm. And I mean both ways.


Dear Mr. President,
Take your politics stuff to Reddit or 4chan.
/r/woosh
 
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Last time I mentioned Trump, a thread got shut down. I'm a Canadian. I'm sorry but I'm allowed to hate the guy. But still... politics and hardware not a good idea. Another thread shut down?
 
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I think it is always going to be a judgement call situation. You can't avoid getting into the politics sometimes... ...it's just a part of the world we live in and the things that happen in it. Sometimes, it's very much relevant. To use hyperbole a little, if we wanted to completely disallow political discussion, everyone would eventually be banned. Sometimes you literally can't not discuss it.

But I see a problem already, in this thread, even. There is a very big difference between commenting on the political situation directly related to the subject of the conversation, and simply using the discussion itself as a platform to make the conversation about one's own political views at the expense of simply discussing the relevant facts and possibilities. Instead of advancing towards something that benefits everyone, people start going in circles arguing over tangential bullshit, completely sandbagging the whole thing until it is not so much a meaningful conversation as it is a group of people standing in a circle up on their soapboxes.

Not singling anyone out. Everybody does it. I've done it. Political beliefs often sit at the core of a person... it's okay to be passionate, but there is a line where things become a total shitshow that accomplishes nothing worthwhile and really only drives people apart as well as turns away new people who may otherwise be interested in adding something that might actually count for something. Being a bit detached from the subject is good - and if you can't separate yourself from it, then engaging the conversation is not gonna be a good time for anyone involved. Basically it becomes this avalanche of people getting tunnel vision and steering the conversation in so many directions that it becomes impossible for there to be a truly good outcome. If you play that game, you lose. Because whether or not you want it to, the moment you put something out there, whether it be an opinion or merely a neutral observation, the conversation is now going to be about you and your views instead of what is actually happening.

I kinda like to think of it like this. In any conversation you have to ask yourself... are your actions serving the discussion being had and its implicit goals, or are you molding the conversation so that it serves you and what you want to say? It's a matter of intent. I think with politics people just get so lost in their views that they forget that it's not about how any one person feels about things! We all have strong views and feelings on shit happening in the world - it affects all of us. But when that personal side of the issue becomes the centerpiece of the conversation, things get real dumb and ugly. Every time. All too often people take advantage of the situation to make the conversation into something completely removed from what it ought to be, simply because they care more about saying their piece than making what they say a piece of something. Again, it's a matter of intent. People are understandably a little selfish when it comes to things a little closer to the heart. That needs to be tempered with situational awareness.

But you really do have to ask yourself before you speak... do you truly care to learn and understand or is it about simply bolstering your own view (in your mind and those of others?) There is a serious lack of tact here when it comes to this stuff. Just bad taste to bring your own political baggage into a discussion just because people happen to be gathering and discussing political issues. If everybody did that, we'd never get anywhere in terms of furthering our understanding of everything. Subjects would change with each post until nobody even remembers what we were supposed to be trying to hash out.

I'm ranting a little now. Maybe an example would help - this thread is about whether or not politics should be a part of the discussion linked in the OP, and how we as a community ought to approach subjects like that. But already it is becoming about whatever political issues people have on their minds. And on the flipside, the subject of this very thread has been used as a means of derailing other political discussions on here. Everybody wants to say their thing until things get too heated. And then inevitably, the calls of "We're not even supposed to be having these discussions here..." ring out. Intent, man. Can't say it enough.

And it doesn't ever have to be that way. I don't think political discussions are inherently bad. They're a part of any community. But they only work when everyone has decent self-control and is willing to occasionally set aside the only slightly related things on their minds in the name of pertinence to the task at hand. There's a time and a place for everything, yanno?
 
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I understand TPU's policy of not talking politics and agree with it, in general. However, every now and then, politics impacts directly on the technology that we talk about on here, such as this article:

https://www.techpowerup.com/251297/u-s-government-shutdown-hits-several-ces-exhibitors-hard

In such a situation however, the politics of the situation is integral to the story, since it's caused it, so I think people should be allowed to talk about it, eg Trump's policies etc. In this case, it's Trump's controversial government shutdown adversely affecting CES. Not allowing it is ignoring the elephant in the room. Therefore, perhaps a slight revision to this forum rule is in order to allow politics discussion in the context of the specific story.

Let's have your opinion on this people, especially @W1zzard
We do tolerate it and let it continue as long as it is done in good taste especially in the news/editorial section. We start deleting comments and handing out reply bans and/or infraction when you start getting toxic about it and let your inner child take over (like a few that I know around here) :slap:

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Cookie for you sir!!

But I see a problem already, in this thread, even. There is a very big difference between commenting on the political situation directly related to the subject of the conversation, and simply using the discussion itself as a platform to make the conversation about one's own political views at the expense of simply discussing the relevant facts and possibilities. Instead of advancing towards something that benefits everyone, people start going in circles arguing over tangential, completely sandbagging the whole thing until it is not so much a meaningful conversation as it is a group of people standing in a circle up on their soapboxes.
 
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But I see a problem already, in this thread, even. There is a very big difference between commenting on the political situation directly related to the subject of the conversation, and simply using the discussion itself as a platform to make the conversation about one's own political views at the expense of simply discussing the relevant facts and possibilities. Instead of advancing towards something that benefits everyone, people start going in circles arguing over tangential, completely sandbagging the whole thing until it is not so much a meaningful conversation as it is a group of people standing in a circle up on their soapboxes.
Yep. That's exactly why the whole matter needs a blanket ban.

like a few that I know around here
Hope that's not a jab at me. I may have gotten emotional in that thread I referenced but as far as I know I never went outright childish.

I'll be frank. The reason I am so vocal on this issue (and honestly, trolled this thread a bit to illustrate a point) is because I'm on the verge of leaving TPU over this very issue. I have been for months, actually. I just keep giving it a second go but this is a very real issue and several regulars have been in discussion with me about it (well, it and other things, but yeah).
 

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Let's have your opinion on this people,

My opinion is you are being a troll and are using this thread to circumvent forum rules. You and many others acting in this way is why I quit writing reviews. How the two coincide is for you to figure out. :p

We do tolerate it and let it continue as long as it is done in good taste especially in the news/editorial section. We start deleting comments and handing out reply bans and/or infraction when you start getting toxic about it and let your inner child take over (like a few that I know around here) :slap:

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Cookie for you sir!!
Then why have rules at all, if you're going to bend them as you see fit? Simply so you can boost your ego, perhaps? (serious questions).
 
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Then why have rules at all, if you're going to bend them as you see fit?
Isn't the whole purpose of this subforum for feedback on the site and rules?

Or do you mean bogmali's/the moderations selective enforcement? I agree if so.

I see no trolling here, other than mine. Which was quite poorly disguised.
 

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We do tolerate it and let it continue as long as it is done in good taste especially in the news/editorial section. We start deleting comments and handing out reply bans and/or infraction when you start getting toxic about it and let your inner child take over (like a few that I know around here) :slap:
Ok cool, thanks for the clarification. Seeing some of the childish, toxic posts and downvotes against me on here, it makes for an excellent example of why it’s normally banned. Personally, I’ve seen enough and am quite happy for this thread to be closed now.

@robot zombie thanks, I appreciate your well-reasoned post. That really added to the discussion. Shame some others ruin it. :rolleyes:

@cadaveca who are you calling a troll bro? The one trolling here is you. You can’t have a sensible discussion.
 

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Isn't the whole purpose of this subforum for feedback on the site and rules?

I see no trolling here.
I don't see the rules up to discussion in W1zzard's private forum site. Comments and feedback are for the reviews on content provided. But maybe that's biased by what TPU has been for me.

For me, even questioning the rules, is disrespectful. :confused: You don't feel this way? Cool.



If you don't like them, oh well. I mean, this is what you all basically said anyway about what W1zz gives in reviews anyway, in a similar thread, recently, no? you get what you are given, take it and like it?

@cadaveca who are you calling a troll bro? The one trolling here is you. You can’t have a sensible discussion.
Who you calling bro? I am an only child thanks, or is that your sideways way of calling my mother a whore?

I have sensible meanuingful conversations all the time, just not with you, cous.
 
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I don't see the rules up to discussion in W1zzard's private forum site. Comments and feedback are for the reviews on content provided. But maybe that's biased by what TPU has been for me.
Here's a good idea: Let's have him comment on that.
 

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Then why have rules at all, if you're going to bend them as you see fit? Simply so you can boost your ego, perhaps? (serious questions).
@W1zzard will have to address that.....PM'd you.
 
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