So is the 10 gb vram on rtx 3080 still enough?

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Short answer is buy a console lol

 

[Zach_01]

Short answer is yes... look at what the 5500XT 4GB/8GB testing on 3.0/4.0....

That’s exactly what I had in mind. Wasn’t intuition...

 

[EarthDog]

That’s exactly what I had in mind. Wasn’t intuition...

Maybe use a declarative statement instead of a question.

 

[Zach_01]

Maybe use a declarative statement instead of a question.

Indeed... I thought the rest of it was declarative enough, because I was talking as if the answer was yes.
Anyway it’s always best to be clear.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Warming up for Jeopardy lol

 

[sepheronx]

I saw this good video on PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0 on a RTX 3090.

 

[londiste]

What happens if a game at 4K at future(1-2years) absolutely need 12~13GB of VRAM. What will happen to a card with 10GB of VRAM?
Won’t that extra data (2~3GB) be transferred to the system’s RAM?
So the 3080 is a PCI-E 4.0 card. Won’t that help with all that data transfer back and forth? I know it’s not the same, but here is one way for PCI-E 4.0 to become relevant.

If game's VRAM usage is well managed, the first thing to take a hit in general case is the dynamic texture pool. There is some buffer there that will not have a noticeable effect. Basically more texture streaming in and out of VRAM. If the implementation cannot keep up the result is pop-in and/or stutter.
PCIe 4.0 x16 is still only 31.5GB/s. That pales in comparison to VRAM bandwidth - in case of RTX3080 760GB/s - in addition to massively worse latency. It'll help compared to PCIe 3.0 but not all that much in the big picture.

 

[Parsian]

Hi,
Actually you'd need to look at each games recommended spec's for those perferances
Not all are the same blanket yes is misleading
Watchdog... says 11gbs at those options plus notice the internet speed too.

What should i do? Should i wait for 20gb version? But i saw a post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/j9xupx

 

[rtwjunkie]

What should i do? Should i wait for 20gb version? But i saw a post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/j9xupx

You’re actually asking what you should do? Those are the same type of results obtained here. No reason to wait for 20 GB VRAM.

 

[Rei]

What should i do? Should i wait for 20gb version? But i saw a post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/j9xupx

Don't bother. 20GB VRAM is largely beneficial for video editing & production scene. Unless you game at 4K, @Ultra setting, with AA (which stands for Anti-Aliasing, NOT Alcoholics Anonymous) & all other graphical fluff at max, then you won't get the full benefit of having that much VRAM, not to mention at that settings, you won't likely be getting close to 60fps. AA doesn't do much to benefit 4K visuals currently & without AA, you won't need alotta VRAM. Attempting to do so will likely cause you wasted cash & regret & before long, you & your GPU will end up at a AA (which this time, stands for Alcoholics Anonymous, NOT Anti-Aliasing) meeting.

 

[FullTank]

to put it simple, as long as you playing in 4K or less, and playing Optimized games, be they old or new - RTX 3080's 10GB of VRAM will be enough for a while.
(some games can experience issues with such amount, more info below)

4x R9 390's & user here, played bunch of new games in 1440p & 4K and some old ones in 4~fake6,8&11K(GeDoSaTo) , never ran out of VRAM other than a single time (when i used 2 390X's) in Mirror's Edge Catalyst(disabled CFX) without enabled "compress vram for lower vram cards like 970" option , that thing made my total VRAM usage at around 7.1 or 7.3 in 1440p (not highest settings, it was impossible to play it in 2160p (it's a game without supported CFX but lack of vram was the issue there, as long as keeping that compress vram option disabled), so i'm assuming that it may in fact go very high in real 4K

the entire VRAM thing is not really about new vs old game, it's more about the game itself, from time to time i saw some super unoptimized games which ate tons of vram, Eco on launch ate 6 gigs i think then got reduced to 2 after lots of complains, which is still a ton for such game, Escape From Tarkov some months ago was eating all 8 gigs in 1080p medium-low with high textures when i lend my GPU to my neighbor's girlfriend after they asked me to help to see what's wrong with their PC and why their GTX 970 have a slideshow in that game (she later dumped my neighbor and stole my R9 390X,my 80+ 600W PSU, and additional fans all of which i lend, not thankful person i swear, but luckily i got 190 Euros returned to me with the help of police, instead of the lost goods, was my first time ever when i went to police and it was a good one, luckily) i also wrote a post about this high vram usage in tarkov here, the one from YaroslavZ -

https://www.reddit.com/r/EscapefromTarkov/comments/eu4pdn

 

[TumbleGeorge]

All or mostly conclusions so far are based on results from games that are already available. They are certainly valid only at the moment. 3-4 years is enough time for things to change significantly. There are many 3D game engines, some has new versions...Yes, there are engines with different popularity, with more light or more heavy resulting of games working on them. After 2-3-4 years... Intuitions, speculations for to be enough 10GB VRAM...whatever to play NEW game for 4k with ultra settings. Dlss eat additional VRAM size when use...Who is clearly sure to write short answer? The GOD itself! Yes there is J. Huang promises but...I never completely trust anyone.

 

[Parsian]

You’re actually asking what you should do? Those are the same type of results obtained here. No reason to wait for 20 GB VRAM.

I was asking to @ThrashZone because he said "Watchdog... says 11gbs at those options plus notice the internet speed too. "

 

[ThrashZone]

What should i do? Should i wait for 20gb version? But i saw a post on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/j9xupx

Hi,
Just wait for amd release
Supposed to have 16gb's and likely will be cheaper and force nvidia to drop prices more and release a gpu with more memory
I'd say 12gb would be fine and these cards have two blank memory spots waiting for nvidia to fill the darn things without using the back of the card.

lol yeah watchdog comes with the cards too isn't that a pickle
Steaming Internet speed and consistency matters.

 

[Vayra86]

Will see next 3-4 years who is right. Save your promise comment somewhere
But you is right after 4 years 3080 10GB will be enough for browser needs, for play movies and casual gaming. AAA games maybe will have RTX 3080 10GB in their minimum system requirements, because of lack of VRAM, not because of GPU performance

Lol well thats a bit much isn't it.

All or mostly conclusions so far are based on results from games that are already available. They are certainly valid only at the moment. 3-4 years is enough time for things to change significantly. There are many 3D game engines, some has new versions...Yes, there are engines with different popularity, with more light or more heavy resulting of games working on them. After 2-3-4 years... Intuitions, speculations for to be enough 10GB VRAM...whatever to play NEW game for 4k with ultra settings. Dlss eat additional VRAM size when use...Who is clearly sure to write short answer? The GOD itself! Yes there is J. Huang promises but...I never completely trust anyone.

For some perspective, in 3-4 years time we might see some high-end titles that would prefer 12GB VRAM for the highest settings. Additionally, modded games could want upwards of 10GB already today, just add enough assets and bingo. In both cases the card will be plenty fast for the resolution but come up short in the VRAM department... but other than that? 10GB is fine.

 

[Kapone33]

The question here is why would Nvidia release a card with double the VRAM weeks after the launch of a card where the majority of orders are still pending?

 

[Zach_01]

“Broken record at sight...” =me

The question here is why would Nvidia release a card with double the VRAM weeks after the launch of a card where the majority of orders are still pending?

Because Ampere was not ready for September, nVidia just wanted to intercept RDNA2, and in addition the never really wanted to sell a 700$ flagship. More like 1000~1200$...

 

[Kapone33]

“Broken record at sight...” =me

Because Ampere was not ready for September, nVidia just wanted to intercept RDNA2, and in addition the never really wanted to sell a 700$ flagship. More like 1000~1200$...

Hahaha indeed and it's not like the 3090 is so much faster than the current 3080

 

[rtwjunkie]

I was asking to @ThrashZone because he said "Watchdog... says 11gbs at those options plus notice the internet speed too. "

And???!!! My answer still stands. If you only had a question for him maybe you should have PM’d him instead of circling around and around with the drama in the forum. Now ask yourself, what advantage is there for game makers to develop games that only .05% of people can play? Just buy the best card you can afford at the time and enjoy gaming.

The question here is why would Nvidia release a card with double the VRAM weeks after the launch of a card where the majority of orders are still pending?

Um, because marketing and buyer gullibility and willingness to take whatever they sell at any price.

 

[Kapone33]

And???!!! My answer still stands. If you only had a question for him maybe you should have PM’d him instead of circling around and around with the drama in the forum. Now ask yourself, what advantage is there for game makers to develop games that only .05% of people can play? Just buy the best card you can afford at the time and enjoy gaming.

Plus there is something called settings that can improve the performance without giving a loss of visual quality to 98% of users

Um, because marketing and buyer gullibility and willingness to take whatever they sell at any price.

Well they were very smart in the way they did it.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Lol well thats a bit much isn't it.



For some perspective, in 3-4 years time we might see some high-end titles that would prefer 12GB VRAM for the highest settings. Additionally, modded games could want upwards of 10GB already today, just add enough assets and bingo. In both cases the card will be plenty fast for the resolution but come up short in the VRAM department... but other than that? 10GB is fine.

The requirements will grow faster than expected because there should be an incentive to sell the next generations of video cards, and by the fall of 2024 there will be at least 2 new generations.

 

[EarthDog]

The requirements will grow faster than expected because there should be an incentive to sell the next generations of video cards

If that was true, we'd already be on 20GB cards for the mainstream...

The reqs will not change as fast you think... it would alienate too many people too quickly. There is a fine line between wanting to sell more GPUs and software catching up and actually using that amount of VRAM (or negative effects come it.. there is a difference between allocated and in use).

 

[Vayra86]

The requirements will grow faster than expected because there should be an incentive to sell the next generations of video cards, and by the fall of 2024 there will be at least 2 new generations.

The requirements follow the growth of mainstream, not of high end GPUs. The new mainstream is likely to cap out at 10-12GB in the next 3-4 years. Basically that is the area that the 3080 is 'pioneering' now for a larger audience. You also have to consider that we've been having 11GB GPUs for as much as 3 years now... and yet, games still cap out at 8.

The requirements grow, but not as fast as you think they do. The new console gen is the new mainstream metric for now > 3-5 years. And while it does have more than 10GB... its not much. Of course we can defend that PC and a 3080 will want to target a higher visual fidelity than a weaker console GPU.

Irony has it that a 20GB version of the 3080 would lack balance just as well as the 10GB version does today, just in the other direction Ideally, you'd see 12-16GB.

 

[TumbleGeorge]

Yes 12-16GB is better but we discussion about 3080 10GB. If this card from beginning was maked with 12 or 16GB VRAM will have zero interest to discuss it's VRAM size. Yes 20GB is too much and will be reflected on it's price and will make RTX 3090 pointless.

 

[EarthDog]

Yes 12-16GB is better but we discussion about 3080 10GB. If this card from beginning was maked with 12 or 16GB VRAM will have zero interest to discuss it's VRAM size. Yes 20GB is too much and will be reflected on it's price and will make RTX 3090 pointless.

There's zero interest in discussing 10GB on this card... for most. Few are concerned... and rightfully so.