System won't recognize all 24GB of RAM.

[eidairaman1]

Contact microsoft. Without saying Bullshot and stuff

they might help you get into a pro/ultimate OS for less than a new upgrade would cost

Ok if you Use the Upgrade Function in Windows 7 it will give you the code you desire just that you pay the difference between Home and Pro

 

[Eric_Cartman]

@Dent1 Sorry if you think it is naive to think that a page that is supposed to tell you the differences between the versions should actually tell you all the differences between the versions.

That is the purpose of the page.

It is supposed to make Pro/Ultimate look more appealing so people pay more money.

Saying it supports more than 16GB of RAM would certainly make it more appealing to a lot of people, don't you think?

Oh, and sorry you think Microsoft stating Home Premium will fully utilize 64-bit hardware and memory should mean what it says is naive too.

That is 100% a lie.

Oh, and the person I just talked to at Microsoft agreed with me.

They admitted it the information should be included on the page and that the statement about fully utilizing memory is false.

They are shipping me a free Ultimate Edition.

 

[Goodman]

@Dent1 Yes, they do directly lie to me and everyone else.

The main Windows 7 pages say under the Home Premium section "Takes full advantage of 64-bit PC hardware and memory."

It doesn't do that, so they lied. Period! End of discussion. You are wrong.

Lets just say that you're half right & half wrong about... "Takes full advantage of 64-bit PC hardware and memory" , that only means that you can "break" the 4 GB barrier of the 32bit OS...IMO

Beside maybe M$ will support more then 16GB ram with future windows updates (if not already)?
But i doubt it...

 

[eidairaman1]

Ok When MS Developed the OS versions they are thinking about the average joes, aka ones that buy prebuild machines, Which dont have anything beyond 4-6 Gigs of Ram at any time.

Its the same with Pro and Enterprise Editions, Mainly Meant for business environments.

I Prefer Pro and Higher because of the customization i can do without having to get lil tweak programs that can wreak havoc on the OS itself.

OS ive owned that could be tweaked to high Degrees are

98SE, ME, 2000 Pro (Requires MS Config file from 98SE) XP Pro, XP MCE 2005.

I have Home Edition on my 7 year old laptop and it drives me nuts, im thinking about reinstalling and then doing the upgrade wizzard and getting pro.

 

[Velvet Wafer]

What a useless thread...thats a classic case of "Read the fineprint first".
Its a pretty common thing, that Companies, and especially Big Companies like MS are excellent Truthbenders. If you havent heard of that before, then you really are naive, sorry to repeat it.

Acknowledge your Error,just upgrade your Version, stop crying, and stop insulting the people, that you in the first place asked for help.
You make yourself look ridiculous, in front of this Audition.

 

[Thatguy]

Thing is, the Home Edition isn't exactly targetet at people who intent to use 24gb of RAM.
Its a pain in the ass, sure, but they probably thought "Who in their right mind who owns Home Premium has more than 16gb RAM, thats gotta be only professionals".



He pretty much said it in the second sentence of the first post. Video and photo editing. Eats RAM like Smarties.

That point is, there is no reason to ram cap a OS other then to put it into my ass for more money. They can keep Windows Movie make or dvd maker or whatever else, I have my own utilitys I paid for, but for god sakes stop fucking me in the ass on ram or cpu cores.

Its rediculous.

^ Eric, you must be young. You really don't understand marketing. The page is to illustrate Windows 7 in the best possible light and hence highlight its positive attributes whilst at the same time showing the negative attributes of Windows Vista and XP. Thus, making buying a Windows 7 licence more attractive.

They didn't lie, they bent the truth to appease naive buyers and it worked.

I belive they call that lying and or misdirection.

both of which are actually illegal in most countrys with consumer proection laws.

Lets just say that you're half right & half wrong about... "Takes full advantage of 64-bit PC hardware and memory" , that only means that you can "break" the 4 GB barrier of the 32bit OS...IMO

Beside maybe M$ will support more then 16GB ram with future windows updates (if not already)?
But i doubt it...

There are 32b os's that can use upto 34gb of ram and more iirc.

So microsoft never had a exscuse other then that they were lazy.

What a useless thread...thats a classic case of "Read the fineprint first".
Its a pretty common thing, that Companies, and especially Big Companies like MS are excellent Truthbenders. If you havent heard of that before, then you really are naive, sorry to repeat it.

Acknowledge your Error,just upgrade your Version, stop crying, and stop insulting the people, that you in the first place asked for help.
You make yourself look ridiculous, in front of this Audition.

No its a classic case of " fuck the consumer" and this is why we have consumer protection laws.

USE THE MULTI QUOTE BUTTON! -Staff

 

[theeldest]

It's not so much that they're charging you more to unlock features, but after they've done all the R&D, they release a less expensive version for those that don't need the full feature set.

They don't need to do that. They could just release ultimate and charge everyone $350. Then what would you do?


Software has gotten to the point that the only way to release different lines of products is to arbitrarily lock features. Get over it.

 

[qubit]

Well, I have to agree with Eric_Cartman and Thatguy here. Microsoft should have clearly pointed out the memory limitation on the comparison page. It's a major difference between editions, right? End of story.

Eric, I'd suggest calling up Microsoft tech support and explaining this in a calm and polite manner. Then use this as leverage to see if you can get a good price on an upgrade to the Pro or Ultimate editions. Microsoft doesn't like to have customers feel pissed off with their products and might well cut you a deal.

Perhaps the thing to learn from this unpleasant experience is to be more wary in future. If you have a system that's 'extreme' in any way, especially when it comes to memory or HD capacity, check that the OS and other software will cope with it, before purchase.

This means doing that little bit of googling to dig deeper than the standard info you see on the products. You shouldn't have to, but these big boys can get away with a lot of BS simply because they're big, so we have to look out for each other.

Personally, I hate buying cut down products, because they always leave me feeling unsatisfied, which is why I bought a TechNet sub, so I could use all of Microsoft's best software for a truly bargain price, eg Win7 Ultimate and I spent £400 on a GTX 580, when I could have had most of that performance with the much cheaper GTX 570.

 

[Sir B. Fannybottom]

I know there is a guy on youtube that had the same problem, he somehow unlocked it. Look on youtube for a bit.

 

[Eric_Cartman]

@theeldest It isn't that I think it sucks that they locked Home Premium at 16GB.

If that is one of the features that they want to remove because it is a cheaper version, then they can.

I think it is idiotic myself, but if that is what they want to do fine.

What I'm pissed about is the fact that the page that they present to the public that outlines the differences between the versions makes no mention of the limitation.

Instead is actually states the opposite.

And if you google it, [snip], the first link that comes up is that Microsoft page that makes no mention of the limitation.

The only real way to figure out that there is a limitation is to either look at one of the lower links on the page to non-Microsoft pages that state the limit or to change the search term to specifically look for the memory limitation.

The consumer shouldn't have to look at 3rd party pages, the Microsoft page that is supposed to outline the differences should have that information. Period.

And no one is going to know to specifically search for the issue.

@qubit Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only sane person here.

I've already called them and was polite.

The person I talked to on the phone agreed that the page was false and should have that information on it and because of it lacks that information and because of the false statement gave me a free upgrade to Ultimate.

 

[qubit]

@theeldest It isn't that I think it sucks that they locked Home Premium at 16GB.

If that is one of the features that they want to remove because it is a cheaper version, then they can.

I think it is idiotic myself, but if that is what they want to do fine.

What I'm pissed about is the fact that the page that they present to the public that outlines the differences between the versions makes no mention of the limitation.

Instead is actually states the opposite.

And if you google it, like some idiots seem to want to say to do, the first link that comes up is that Microsoft page that makes no mention of the limitation.

The only real way to figure out that there is a limitation is to either look at one of the lower links on the page to non-Microsoft pages that state the limit or to change the search term to specifically look for the memory limitation.

The consumer shouldn't have to look at 3rd party pages, the Microsoft page that is supposed to outline the differences should have that information. Period.

And no one is going to know to specifically search for the issue.

@qubit Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only sane person here.

I've already called them and was polite.

The person I talked to on the phone agreed that the page was false and should have that information on it and because of it lacks that information and because of the false statement gave me a free upgrade to Ultimate.

Awesome, that made my day! I knew MS would want to see you right, but that's even better than I expected.

 

[Thatguy]

USE THE MULTI QUOTE BUTTON! -Staff

Then fix it so it works properly with Webkit browsers.

 

[newtekie1]

Then fix it so it works properly with Webkit browsers.

The lightweight version W1z created for mobile browsers doesn't even have a Multi-Quote button.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Don't they realize that 24GB of RAM is becoming more common?

That comment alone has ruined any credibility u have...

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Windows 7 Home Premium x64

The underlined is your problem. You need Professional, Ultimate, or Enterprise edition to access up to 192 GiB of RAM.

Windows Anytime Upgrade - Home Premium to Professional $90
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit for System Builders $135


Yes, it's stupid that they limit it at all. 64-bit, natively, can handle up to some 2 Exbibytes of RAM. Microsoft is trying to force you to buy Windows Server 2008 R2 DataCenter if you want access to oodles of RAM.

 

[Eric_Cartman]

@ShiBDiB Why? You don't think more people are using 24GB now than ever before?

The fact is they are so 24GB of RAM is becoming more common and will continue to become more common in the time to come.

I didn't say it was common, I said it was becoming more common.

Why can't you people read?

 

[wiak]

ooh well might need to upgrade to professional if am gonna go over my 16GB atm

 

[eidairaman1]

Ok instead of continuing to rant over wut ms does just spend the extra 90 usd to upgrade home to pro...

 

[Riotpump]

Grats Eric on receiving a free upgrade to Ultimate....being polite does have it's benefits.

 

[Frick]

Someone actually used this page to buy Windows 7 and didn't bother to look up the real differences between the versions? I do not feel sorry for you, serves you right. Good of them to give you the upgrade though.

 

[gottistar]

Gee this thread got hairy some where in the middle...

 

[Widjaja]

Avoiding all the ranting, this kind of marketing tactic is everywhere to justify the price on the top of the line of anything.

It's been happening for years and it DOES make people want to pay a ridiculous price for anything which is top of the line.

 

[Dent1]

@ShiBDiB Why? You don't think more people are using 24GB now than ever before?

The fact is they are so 24GB of RAM is becoming more common and will continue to become more common in the time to come.

I didn't say it was common, I said it was becoming more common.

Why can't you people read?

24GBs is not becoming "more common" for home users. Where are the stats or references to support what you're saying? Go on Newegg or PCWorld and you'll see that the majority of prebuilt home computers are equipped with between 2-4GBs of ram, maybe 8GBs. People with 24GBs of ram are doing tasks the average joe don't i.e. encoding, rendering.

 

[Deleted member 3]

There are 32b os's that can use upto 34gb of ram and more iirc.

Basically all modern main stream OS's from the past 10 years support 64GB. It's all licensing with MS. There are ways to enable full PAE support on 32 bit desktop OS's. Not sure how legal they are.

I know there is a guy on youtube that had the same problem, he somehow unlocked it. Look on youtube for a bit.

It's licensing, there are two files required in Vista/7/2008 to support 64 GB in a 32bit system. Google knows it.

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Oodles.

Oodles oodles oodles. I like that word. Oodles.

 

[Hotobu]