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#51
After countles moments of pure dread and horror, the rig is running :toast:

I'm so freaking happy right now. It seems I dodged a bullet the size of Russia.
The only thing that actually broke, was one 1 gig stick of ram, and that has warranty, so I hope I can get a replacement.

I also have coming a q9550 and a G.Skill Falcon 64gig ssd, so life is smiling after all. Load temps on the cpu (@stock) is 33c OCCT linpack. Haven't had time to try the gpu yet.

It seems that my stupidity didn't end up costing me too much.
 
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#52
Wow, lucky :D
I'd not even dare to do it in a situation like this, but I suggest you test everything, Mem, Gpu, CPU, HDD I/O, to make sure nothing else is broken and unstable...
 
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#53
Wow, lucky :D
I'd not even dare to do it in a situation like this, but I suggest you test everything, Mem, Gpu, CPU, HDD I/O, to make sure nothing else is broken and unstable...
Memory passes Memtest86+, Gpu is stable under GPUTool and Furmark, still need to try gaming, Cpu is stable @stock OCCT, SuperPi, Linpack, p95, HDD wasn't even plugged in when I screwed up. So it seems I'm fine besides that one stick. :rockout:

Now I'll just finish up the build and I can show you guys some pics.
 
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Memory passes Memtest86+, Gpu is stable under GPUTool and Furmark, still need to try gaming, Cpu is stable @stock OCCT, SuperPi, Linpack, p95, HDD wasn't even plugged in when I screwed up. So it seems I'm fine besides that one stick. :rockout:

Now I'll just finish up the build and I can show you guys some pics.
Still, the NB might have gotten a bit of the blast, so I'd check I/O too.
 
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#57
Nice thread, it looks really good :toast:
 
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Also passes all other tests in HDTune.

 
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Well it looks like you're safe, hope you are :) Guess it's time to ask for pics then :D
 
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#60
Damn it, I might have celebrated too early. I tried setting the clocks back to the 4GHz settings I've had 24/7 for quite some time, and got a bsod on linpack.
Now it won't start again, I'll have to clear cmos, which is a bitch, since the jumper is behind the second gpu.
If that doesn't work, I'll have to start pulling sticks away again.

Shit. :banghead:

Edit: Everything runs fine @stock. Checked the dump, it was atimdag that caused it? Who knows.
 
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#61
And here are the pics.

Everything set, let's get cooking


Case stripped, front panel wires under the mobo.


I drilled holes for the top rad to be in a better place, but surprise surprise, there it blocked the 8-pin cpu. :banghead:
Had to put it in the original place in the end.


Top rad where it was supposed to go. I kinda liked the blue protective film, so I just let it stay.
I think it fits the blue tubing and leds.


Now why didn't I see this coming? The front rad takes away one 5.25 slot. Now where am I going to put the HDD?


Front rad from inside. It's attached to the top front fan with screws. Seems to hold nicely.


GPU block installed and ready to go.


Thick tubing, check. Small space, check. Problems installing the rest of stuff there, check.


Leak testing ready.


And here's how it ended up. Please ignore my crappy cabling.


This is what it looks like when running.


And side panel in place. Maybe at some point, I'll get blue led fans on the side and back. But these are quiet and blow air well.


Res looks nice.


So, that's how it went, and now I'll have to figure out, if I broke something more than just one stick of ram.

Thanks for looking.
 

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What did you do to possibly break a stick of RAM?

Looks good, however I think it is possible to run the tubing a bit more cleaner.
 
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What did you do to possibly break a stick of RAM?

Looks good, however I think it is possible to run the tubing a bit more cleaner.
Erh, I kinda forgot about this, while I was trying if the computer works after my fiddling.
Long story short, I had just the 8-pin plugged into the mobo, switched on the psu and :banghead:
Lights went out and the fuse burned :cry:. Now the real question is, did it fry the mobo and cpu?

How likely is it?

I'm an idiot, I know:banghead::banghead:
That's how :eek:

How would you suggest running the tubing? It's very thick and doesn't like to bend too sharply.
 

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That's how :eek:

How would you suggest running the tubing? It's very thick and doesn't like to bend too sharply.
It's hard to explain. I mean trying to route it more efficiently, using less tubing. Right now it looks like you have tubing going all over the place. Don't get the wrong idea though, I like it, this build is coming along very nicely.
 
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It's just that, bending the tubing in shorter routes puts a lot of strain on the parts, especially the gpu.
 

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It's just that, bending the tubing in shorter routes puts a lot of strain on the parts, especially the gpu.
I understand. If nothing can be done, it still looks kick ass! :rockout:
 

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#67
Wow very nice build there :)

I'm going to re do all my cable management at some point I think.

Just a quick question though... Where are your HDs?
 
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I only have one at the moment. It's under the front rad.
I'll post a picture tomorrow.
 
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Now why didn't I see this coming? The front rad takes away one 5.25 slot. Now where am I going to put the HDD?
This is pretty much what I meant in my thread and the reason why I didn't want my dual res up-front but rather on the top. Being left with only two 5.2" slots in the whole case was something I did not want happening to me.

The build looks good overall. The tubing looks massive.
 
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This is pretty much what I meant in my thread and the reason why I didn't want my dual res up-front but rather on the top. Being left with only two 5.2" slots in the whole case was something I did not want happening to me.

The build looks good overall. The tubing looks massive.
I understand completely. I just wanted 2x240 rads inside, so not much choise there.

The tubing is massive. I think it's 19/13mm, so the walls are 2mm thick.
 
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thats a sweet looking pc
 
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Nice pics mate, now where did you put the HDD? Or did I miss it? It's monday after all...
 
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Nice pics mate, now where did you put the HDD? Or did I miss it? It's monday after all...
It's under the front rad on the bottom of the case. It sits on a dampening cushion. Best I could come up with right now :)

 
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Hey man it works :toast: Nice glow from the fans :toast:
 
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Perfection is only achieved after Repetitive:banghead:
So, As far as I see it, your off to a good start.