Thoughts and/or changes

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

After looking at what Asus and Asrock are pulling with these B560 boards .. either adding wifi on those ROG boards which means they'll be priced through the roof or downgrading on the entry level boards such as audio codec, LAN, etc .. my last hope is MSI unless Gigabyte list more boards.

Dude you really over complicating it

I've been looking at the B460 boards on newegg to get an idea of what to expect with the B560 boards and MSI was ahead of the game with the latest and greatest Realtek audio codec and hopefully they keep that pattern going with their B560 boards .. unlike Asus and Asrock who downgraded on that with their low end B560 boards. Those two manufacturers are forcing peeps to either purchase the high end B560 boards or move up to the Z590 boards if you want the latest and greatest of what these new intel boards have to offer.

And what really that life changing features your missing from a solid all rounder B560 board like the Strix F ?

 

[Why_Me]

To be fair the B560 boards are meant for SI and people with really tight budgets so them not including some of the better features of the new z590 ones makes sense....... Considering the only thing separating them now is cpu overclocking any b560 board with all the features of a z board minus that would just end up costing the same so what's the point.

Agreed but I was thinking they wouldn't downgrade on features from their B460 boards yet both Asus and Asrock have done that with three of these new B560 boards. The Asus Prime is one example as is the Asrock Steele Legend.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Agreed but I was thinking they wouldn't downgrade on features from their B460 boards yet both Asus and Asrock have done that with three of these new B560 boards. The Asus Prime is one example as is the Asrock Steele Legend.

Pcie gen 4 is expensive to implement afaik so they had to make a cut somewhere.

 

[Why_Me]

Dude you really over complicating it

And what really that life changing features your missing from a solid all rounder B560 board like the Strix F ?

If that Asus board is like anything else Asus adds the name 'ROG' on it you can expect it to be a hose job for the masses yet Asus knows there's enough meatheads out there that will eat it up when they see 'ROG'.

ROG STRIX B560-F GAMING WIFI

ROG STRIX B560-F GAMING WIFI motherboard features solid power design, comprehensive cooling controls, PCIe 4.0, WiFi 6, Two-Way AI Noise Cancelation and cyberpunk-inspired aesthetics

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[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

If that Asus board is like anything else Asus adds the name 'ROG' on it you can expect it to be a hose job for the masses yet Asus knows there's enough meatheads out there that will eat it up with they see 'ROG'.

So in other words you are writing it off for now cause it might be expensive ...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

So in other words you are writing it off for now cause it might be expensive ...

To be fair it'll probably cost what some of the good budget z590 boards will.

Hard to know what will be more worth buying till reviews are out....

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

To be fair it'll probably cost what some of the good budget z590 boards will.

A budget Z590 wont have ALC 1220 and wifi 6

 

[Why_Me]

So in other words you are writing it off for now cause it might be expensive ...

It's going to be overpriced. Go to newegg and find a half dozen Asus ROG motherboards or anything Asus with the name 'ROG' on it and check out the prices. ROG is one of the better marketing schemes out there.

A budget Z590 wont have ALC 1220 and wifi 6

You don't need a board that comes built in wif fi 6 or even 6E if you have a board that has that M.2 Key E wi fi slot.

 

[milewski1015]

To be fair it'll probably cost what some of the good budget z590 boards will.

Just like how the solid B550 boards approached the budget X570 ones.

Dude you really over complicating it

Hard to know what will be more worth buying till reviews are out....

Amen.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Just like how the solid B550 boards approached the budget X570 ones.



Amen.

B550 is a good example some of the upper end ones actually cost more than midrange X570 $250-330..... I think if we got Z590 Hero level B560 nobody would buy it lol.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

It's going to be overpriced. Go to newegg and find a half dozen Asus ROG motherboards or anything Asus with the name 'ROG' on it and check out the prices. ROG is one of the better marketing schemes out there.


You don't need a board that comes built in wif fi 6 or even 6E if you have a board that has that M.2 Key E wi fi slot.

Way to miss the point entirely.

WHY SPEND MORE IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO?!

 

[Why_Me]

B550 is a good example some of the upper end ones actually cost more than midrange X570 $250-330..... I think if we got Z590 Hero level B560 nobody would buy it lol.

I discovered those B560 boards the other day and after knowing what the B460 boards offered I got all excited thinking I'd find a B560 board in the $130 - $150 range that checked all the boxes. Unless MSI comes through I was dead wrong.

Way to miss the point entirely.

WHY SPEND MORE IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO?!

You can add a wi fi 6E desktop kit to a cheap B560 board that has that M.2 Key E slot anytime you feel the need. I live in Alaska and no matter what my ping is crap. If I can find a way to lower my ping I'm all for it. There's nothing wrong with having options.

 

[milewski1015]

If I can find a way to lower my ping I'm all for it.

The way to lower your ping, as I mentioned earlier, is to use an ethernet connection. Trust me, I gamed on wifi for years. Ping spikes are awful. I'm not even using a true wired connection at the moment - I have a mesh wifi network and my PC is connected via ethernet to the node on my desk. That communicates wirelessly to the master node connected to the modem downstairs. Sure it's not conventional, but my connection is so much more stable than before when just using wifi.

Unless MSI comes through I was dead wrong.

I just glanced at MSI's B460 offerings. Not one of them had an E-keyed M.2 slot aside from those already populated with integrated wfi (although if you take my advice about using a wired connection that can become a moot point). There were a couple with ALC1200, which, again, for your purposes of playing warzone, would be perfectly fine. But as @oxrufiioxo mentioned earlier, PCIe 4.0 components add cost - that's part of why B550 boards were more expensive than their B450 counterparts. Expecting to find a B560 board in the $130-150 with all of the criteria you're deeming as must-have is going to be a tall order.

You literally mentioned in post #9 in the thread: "I'm cheap". I'll invite you to take a look at this video from HWUB, specifically the final thoughts section that starts around 13 minutes. Yes the video primarily compares the gaming performance of the 3600 to the 5600X, but the quote at 13:22 makes a great point: "So if you happened to have upgraded from the Ryzen 5 3600 to the 5600X and aren't really seeing an improvement in games, which I have seen quite a few people report to us, this would be the reason why: you are primarily GPU-bound when gaming. There will be some instances where the newer Zen 3 processor will help you out, but it's a lot like what we saw when comparing Zen 2 to the 9th and 10th gen core series: yes, they are technically faster when you lower the resolution and use a really fast GPU, but under more typical, more realistic gaming conditions, it's hard to spot a difference and often you just can't". I'm extrapolating that to Intel's upcoming 11th gen CPUs. Sure, when paired with a really fast GPU where the CPU will be the bottleneck at 1080p, yeah, the 11400 will provide more frames than a 10400. But you're pairing one of these $150-$200 CPUs with a $400 GPU - you're going to be GPU bound, and likely won't notice a difference between the two. Add to that that PCIe 4.0 means nothing for gamers at this point in time, and the fact that you're going to have a much more stable gaming experience using a wired connection compared to a wireless one.

We've then eliminated the need for Wifi 6, 6E, or even rarer, the E-key M.2 slot you're obsessing over as well as PCIe 4.0. Which is exactly why I suggested opting for a 10th gen intel CPU and a Z490 board - it lets you bump your GPU (the component that impacts your gaming performance the most) up from a 3060Ti to a 3070. The Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi has 2.5G LAN (which you don't need unless you're paying for greater than gigabit internet), integrated Wifi 6 (pre-installed in an E-key M.2 slot - not necessary if you're using a wired connection), and the ALC1200 codec.

My whole point is that you mention being cheap, which I interpreted to mean you want to get the best value for your money. The way to do that is to not pay for/focus on things that you don't need/won't make a difference in how your system performs, and allocate your budget towards the things that will (GPU).

 

[Why_Me]

The way to lower your ping, as I mentioned earlier, is to use an ethernet connection. Trust me, I gamed on wifi for years. Ping spikes are awful. I'm not even using a true wired connection at the moment - I have a mesh wifi network and my PC is connected via ethernet to the node on my desk. That communicates wirelessly to the master node connected to the modem downstairs. Sure it's not conventional, but my connection is so much more stable than before when just using wifi.


I just glanced at MSI's B460 offerings. Not one of them had an E-keyed M.2 slot aside from those already populated with integrated wfi (although if you take my advice about using a wired connection that can become a moot point). There were a couple with ALC1200, which, again, for your purposes of playing warzone, would be perfectly fine. But as @oxrufiioxo mentioned earlier, PCIe 4.0 components add cost - that's part of why B550 boards were more expensive than their B450 counterparts. Expecting to find a B560 board in the $130-150 with all of the criteria you're deeming as must-have is going to be a tall order.

You literally mentioned in post #9 in the thread: "I'm cheap". I'll invite you to take a look at this video from HWUB, specifically the final thoughts section that starts around 13 minutes. Yes the video primarily compares the gaming performance of the 3600 to the 5600X, but the quote at 13:22 makes a great point: "So if you happened to have upgraded from the Ryzen 5 3600 to the 5600X and aren't really seeing an improvement in games, which I have seen quite a few people report to us, this would be the reason why: you are primarily GPU-bound when gaming. There will be some instances where the newer Zen 3 processor will help you out, but it's a lot like what we saw when comparing Zen 2 to the 9th and 10th gen core series: yes, they are technically faster when you lower the resolution and use a really fast GPU, but under more typical, more realistic gaming conditions, it's hard to spot a difference and often you just can't". I'm extrapolating that to Intel's upcoming 11th gen CPUs. Sure, when paired with a really fast GPU where the CPU will be the bottleneck at 1080p, yeah, the 11400 will provide more frames than a 10400. But you're pairing one of these $150-$200 CPUs with a $400 GPU - you're going to be GPU bound, and likely won't notice a difference between the two. Add to that that PCIe 4.0 means nothing for gamers at this point in time, and the fact that you're going to have a much more stable gaming experience using a wired connection compared to a wireless one.

We've then eliminated the need for Wifi 6, 6E, or even rarer, the E-key M.2 slot you're obsessing over as well as PCIe 4.0. Which is exactly why I suggested opting for a 10th gen intel CPU and a Z490 board - it lets you bump your GPU (the component that impacts your gaming performance the most) up from a 3060Ti to a 3070. The Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi has 2.5G LAN (which you don't need unless you're paying for greater than gigabit internet), integrated Wifi 6 (pre-installed in an E-key M.2 slot - not necessary if you're using a wired connection), and the ALC1200 codec.

My whole point is that you mention being cheap, which I interpreted to mean you want to get the best value for your money. The way to do that is to not pay for/focus on things that you don't need/won't make a difference in how your system performs, and allocate your budget towards the things that will (GPU).

Like I posted previously in this thread, I measured out how much CAT 8 cable I'll need in order to get from the router to upstairs in the loft. If I don't get a board with an M.2 Key E slot it won't be a biggy but I do like checking out what boards check all the boxes and for how much. It's always a little bit exciting when a new series of boards are released.

 

[milewski1015]

Like I posted previously in this thread, I measured out how much CAT 8 cable I'll need in order to get from the router to upstairs in the loft. If I don't get a board with an M.2 Key E slot it won't be a biggy but I do like checking out what boards check all the boxes and for how much. It's always a little bit exciting when a new series of boards are released.

Yeah, I saw. That's understandable, I also enjoy checking out and getting excited over new and upcoming hardware. You're certainly entitled to do that. I must have just gotten a little confused without a definitive, "Okay, this is what I've decided on" comment. Obviously it's hard to decide that when the build is still months away, and potential components have yet to be released. It just kinda felt like you were ignoring some of the suggestions made that were in the spirit of what it seemed this thread was about. Apologies if I came off as hostile. I just hate seeing people burn money on things they don't need/won't use.

 

[Why_Me]

Gigabyte just added another B560 board to their lineup.

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[oxrufiioxo]

Gigabyte just added another B560 board to their lineup.

B560 AORUS PRO AX (rev. 1.0) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

Lasting Quality from GIGABYTE.GIGABYTE Ultra Durable™ motherboards bring together a unique blend of features and technologies that offer users the absolute ultimate platform for...

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Very nice board still a lot depends on what it cost.... Although this looks better than the Budget asrock z590 baords...

 

[Why_Me]

Very nice board still a lot depends on what it cost.... Although this looks better than the Budget asrock z590 baords...

Their B460 version of that board is going for $160 @ newegg. I'm curious to see what the price difference will be.

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[oxrufiioxo]

Their B460 version of that board is going for $160 @ newegg. I'm curious to see what the price difference will be.

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My guess is 180-200 and considering it seems better than Z boards in that price range it makes sense.

 

[Sunny and 75]

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Thought you were going with that 11400F/B560-F GAMING WIFI combo. That's a killer combo right there. Motherboards from GIGABYTE and MSI namely the Aorus Elite AX series and the Gaming Edge WIFI series are great choices as well.

 

[lexluthermiester]

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[Gmr_Chick]

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Thought you were going with that 11400F/B560-F GAMING WIFI combo. That's a killer combo right there. Motherboards from GIGABYTE and MSI namely the Aorus Elite AX series and the Gaming Edge WIFI series are great choices as well.

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[Sunny and 75]

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[Why_Me]

I could be wrong but I don't think there will be an FE Variant of the 3060.... and all gpu got a price hike due to tariffs.


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Those 3060's are showing up on Curry's (UK site) and the cheapest card is in the 3060 Ti price range. =/

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