Throttlestop overclocking Desktop PCs

[frankr2994]

Hello, i'm not sure if my post belongs here, but i've a 12th gen i7-12700KF that i've just upgraded to on a rather decent B660M motherboard (it had a 12400F previously and i got the 12700KF for cheap, sealed).

I was wondering whether i can do all core turbo overclocking using Throttlestop since it seems to be unlocked and unlimited in the software? Would TS be able to overwrite the B660M limitations when it comes to any form of overclocking?

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I don't see anything locked up so I'd give it a go. Bios can still have current limits locked down so you may only be able to get so much out of it. Unclewebb the software creator will probably chime in. I don't think anyone has asked any questions on this thread anyways about 12th gen Intel. I have an i7-12700k on z690 motherboard still hanging out here if you need me to try anything for confirmation.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hello, i'm not sure if my post belongs here

Yup, you're in the right place!

I was wondering whether i can do all core turbo overclocking using Throttlestop since it seems to be unlocked and unlimited in the software?

For the CPU, the answer is yes.

Would TS be able to overwrite the B660M limitations when it comes to any form of overclocking?

This I'm not sure about.

For that combination, I beleive you will need to disable SpeedStep and C1E to enable MAX all-core OC. I could be wrong. @unclewebb What's your say?

You're also going to have to tweak and experiment with the CPU core voltages and bump them up as you increase the multiplier and all-core TB setting.

 

[frankr2994]

Hey looking for anyone that has any experience with vapor chambers. I know primarily they are used in blade severs where there is just an insane amount of case fans blowing across. What I was curious about was using one in between the CPU and whatever heatsink. I found an article that cooler master was going to build just this. In their design the heatpipes for the fins where directly attached to a vapor chamber. It doesn't look like they actually ever went through with the design. In my proposed idea I would buy a vapor chamber for my socket, separate it from whatever small finned section it has and use longer hold down screws to sandwich it between the CPU and heatsink. Reason being is I've seen on my system and much more expensive systems that air coolers reach a limit on how much a fan can help before thermals run away. When I crank the fan the whole way up and watch temps creep into the 90s I'm not feeling hot air come out of the cooler. My thoughts are is that the vapor chamber will pickup all the heat out of that small area on the CPU and then give a much larger area for heatpipes to carry it off. Seems cheap enough to give it a try anyways. Here is a link to what I was thinking about buying .

Dynatron T318 Vapor Chamber CPU Cooler For Intel Narrow Socket 2011 1U Server | eBay

Manufacture: Dynatron. Vapor chamber base with Copper stacked fin. LGA 2011 (Narrow Type, 56mm x 95mm Mounting Pitch). CPU Socket. CPU Support.

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[Retrorockit]

Anything that you put between your CPU, and cooler will have some thermal resistance. I think they're used as a superspreader under low profile copper heatsinks where there is no room.
Here are my thoughts on heatpipes and how they work.
Most of them have water in them. They have a vacuum also to lower the boiling point of the water to a useful range. The phase change form water to vapor absorbs a large amount of heat. The water vapor transfers the heat at the speed of sound (so I've heard). At some point the heatpipe will be saturated with heat and will dry out. The water will stop condensing back to liquid.
One other fluid I've heard of being used is Acetone. It may not need a vacuum. I think the fill was almost 100%. I don't recall if there was ana dvantege except it doesn't freeze.
I'm guessing that's 4 channel RAM, so you can't leave som empty sockets to get a wider fan and cooler in there. maybe some low profile ram might find some room.
Are you running an 80mm fan/cooler or are you up to 90mm already?

 

[frankr2994]

90mm but it's really a non issue...I'm just sitting here thinking out loud. I've heard of acetone and ammonia to be fluid in heatpipes. Low evaporation temperatures. I suspect vacuum for no air but actual contents under pressure. Similar to any actual ac system

I also understand thermal resistance going up. However we know that that die under the ihs is much smaller and that is what is making the heat. My argument is getting that actually spread out for some of these big coolers to actually pick it up.

And honestly I'd probably test this on something like the i7-12700k I have sitting downstairs for someone that's never going to have me go set it up lol. I have a PC case sized air cooler on it that does awesome at stock clocks. I can out run it through with overclocks. I really just hate how easy it is to get to a point where you "need" water cooling.

 

[Retrorockit]

I recall we determined that your Xeon has a soldered heat spreader, so no gain to be had there. But most thermal compound conducts in the 12W/mk area and some of the high end liquid metals claim up to 80W/mk.

Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra vs. Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut - HWCooling.net

Description and resultsCoollaboratory is well known among the hardware enthusiasts, mainly thanks to its liquid metals. The model with higher thermal conductivity, Liquid Ultra, is commonly preferred with high power consumption chips since their default compounds are usually of lower quality. To...

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But if the heatsink is already overloaded I'm not sure it will help.
I think the vapor chamber would only help if it was going to a larger heatsink with more heatpipes..
How far have you gone with the more airflow concept .Nidec M35291-35 can be found cheap. 2.3A should equal some airflow.

 

[YHWH-Rules]

Will it work on a desktop with a non k series cpu? I have a Dell optiplex that im upgrading so can you do that on there? Also my Temps are very good on my pc.

 

[frankr2994]

Will it work on a desktop with a non k series cpu? I have a Dell optiplex that im upgrading so can you do that on there? Also my Temps are very good on my pc.

It only does something on a non overclockable CPU if something is needed. If your cpu is power or thermal throttling then this software can help. If it's working just fine then it can't do anything.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Will it work on a desktop with a non k series cpu? I have a Dell optiplex that im upgrading so can you do that on there? Also my Temps are very good on my pc.

As long as you upgrade to a "K" series CPU, yes. Otherwise the only thing you might be able to do is lock the CPU to it's all-core turbo.

 

[frankr2994]

Otherwise the only thing you might be able to do is lock the CPU to it's all-core turbo.

Can you actually do that? I certainly haven't seen it all but I've loaded TS on most of the hardware Ive had through the door. Just haven't seen or maybe noticed being able to do that.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Can you actually do that? I certainly haven't seen it all but I've loaded TS on most of the hardware Ive had through the door. Just haven't seen or maybe noticed being able to do that.

On older platforms it works. I'm not 100% on newer ones. I want to say a solid "Likely".

 

[frankr2994]

On older platforms it works. I'm not 100% on newer ones. I want to say a solid "Likely".

I have a core 2 duo downstairs with a motherboard in my pile. I've never lit it up and don't know why I have it. Maybe I'll give it a shot lol

 

[lexluthermiester]

I have a core 2 duo downstairs with a motherboard in my pile. I've never lit it up and don't know why I have it. Maybe I'll give it a shot lol

I don't think that'll work. The Core CPU line up was multiplier locked and didn't have any boost features.

 

[unclewebb]

The Core CPU line up was multiplier locked

The Core 2 Duo Extreme processors had an unlocked multiplier. These came in desktop and mobile versions. ThrottleStop still supports the older Core 2 Duo based CPUs. I helped a guy just the other day overclock his Core 2 Duo X9000 Extreme mobile CPU up to 4000 MHz by simply increasing the multiplier.

didn't have any boost features

The Core 2 Duo mobile CPUs had a boost feature called Intel Dynamic Acceleration. This works exactly the same as Turbo Boost does on the modern Core i processors. IDA was not very sexy so Intel changed the name to Turbo Boost when Core i was introduced.

 

[Retrorockit]

The QX9650 is the best unlocked Coree2Duo 45nm with SSE4 instruction set.. The QX6850 would be next but is 65nm SSE3 for older MB that support 333fsb.. Thw QX6800 SLACP is the good stepping (G0) of the 266fsb 65nm chips.Some old P4 era boards can run this with a BIOS update I wouldn't bother with the others that have older steppings. They run hot.
There is an oddball E6500K in LGA775. Small cache, 2 cores, and missing SSE4 instruction set. You have to find one in China, they were only sold there. At 65W might run in some low end chipsets.
But so will a tapemodded E7600. if you have one of the low end QX chips it's possible to OC just 2 cores for a retro gaming rig. Text edit TS for Core 0,1.
These would be the X6800 2 core, QX6700, and QX6800 SL9UK (B3) They all have much lower themal limits, and heat up sooner too. The QX6850 can sometimes be found for less than the SLACP.
TS will overclock these on locked BIOS Dells etc. There's a link in my sig. for a SLACP in a P4 era Dell.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The Core 2 Duo Extreme processors had an unlocked multiplier.

Oh that's right, they did. My bad..

The Core 2 Duo mobile CPUs had a boost feature called Intel Dynamic Acceleration. This works exactly the same as Turbo Boost does on the modern Core i processors. IDA was not very sexy so Intel changed the name to Turbo Boost when Core i was introduced.

Forgot about that one too. Back then it wasn't a very useful feature.

 

[KLiKzg]

Thanks, though the item cams with all parts in: https://edigital.hr/univerzalni-int...r-hyper-t20-ventilator-rr-t20-20fk-r1-p636037

Guys, do NOT use this Hyper T20 cooler. Apparently they are prone to failure, after 2 years of working!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Guys, do NOT use this Hyper T20 cooler. Apparently they are prone to failure, after 2 years of working!

The fan or the cooler itself? If it's just the fan, replace it. Even good fans are inexpensive.

 

[Retrorockit]

That cooler with just 2 heatpipes is a non starter for me anyway. The un-polished base plate says cheap,cheap,cheap. I wouldn't expect the fan to be much good at that level either.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That cooler with just 2 heatpipes is a non starter for me anyway. The un-polished base plate says cheap,cheap,cheap. I wouldn't expect the fan to be much good at that level either.

They're more effective than you might think. But yes, those kinds of heatsinks are strictly budget offerings. They're not meant for anything high-end or for OCing.

 

[Retrorockit]

Scythe Ninja Plus Heatsink Fan Socket LGA 775 | eBay

Fully functional. As seen in pictures. kcl5trades ( 463. ) During past month. abcvkds ( 4000. A+ Excellent service, affordable prices! cwaem-vwtvv6ag ( 3 ) During past month. Item as described. ).

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How much did they save?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Scythe Ninja Plus Heatsink Fan Socket LGA 775 | eBay

Fully functional. As seen in pictures. kcl5trades ( 463. ) During past month. abcvkds ( 4000. A+ Excellent service, affordable prices! cwaem-vwtvv6ag ( 3 ) During past month. Item as described. ).

www.ebay.com

How much did they save?

They don't cost $35. They're more like $10.

 

[Retrorockit]

The only thing that costs more than doing it right the first time is doing it right the 2nd time.

 

[KLiKzg]

That cooler with just 2 heatpipes is a non starter for me anyway. The un-polished base plate says cheap,cheap,cheap. I wouldn't expect the fan to be much good at that level either.

Well, you might be very wrong...as it is strangely very efficient, Like 60~70°C on a full load of 105W CPU.

The fan or the cooler itself? If it's just the fan, replace it. Even good fans are inexpensive.

It is the bracket, check picture!

 

[Retrorockit]

I usually start at 130W and overclock from there. Most of the unlocked CPUs in this thread start out at that level. So the need for 200-250W coolers is normal for me.
But I run Dell stuff so aftermarket coolers aren't really on my radar very much. Coolermaster is known for bang for the buck products. Until they actually go bang.
Of course 105W may be a high end CPU in the modern era.