What are you most excited for?

[AusWolf]

Brand loyalty benefits noone.

The only benefit of a single-brand PC is the ability to control everything from a single software. For example, if you have an Asus motherboard and an Asus graphics card, you can synchronise their RGB lights via Aura Sync. AMD relies on software control a lot more heavily than Intel or Nvidia, so I can see why one would want to stick to all AMD parts in a build, or avoid AMD altogether.

Other than this, I agree.

Unless you have a AMD fetish, which a fair few do on TPU

Perhaps yourself included, based on your user name?

 

[birdie]

Voted "NVIDIA Ada (GeForce 40)" just because I'm tired of so many people still cheering up for everything AMD. AMD passed Intel in market capitalization a month ago or so, it's not an underdog by a long shot any longer. Didn't vote RPL because it's basically ADL with increased caches and upped frequencies and the same quite outdated and not really performant Intel Xe graphics architecture.

That left me with NVIDIA. The RTX 20 series was underwhelming, the successor was too expensive and power hungry, hopefully at least RTX 4060 (non-Ti) will be something to talk about.

Not interested in PCI-E 5 SSDs at all. My SATA SSD (obviously capped at ~540MB/s) suffices me 100%. People have gotten really crazy in their desire to have the latest and fastest. PCI-E 2.0 SSDs are already extremely fast and enough for 99.99% of people out there.

~10GB/s read/write speeds? What for let me ask you? Which network interfaces sport such speeds? Consumer Ethernet is capped at ~300MB/s (2.5Gbps). 10GBps (~1.2GBps) can be perfectly served by PCI-E 2.0 SSDs and this network interface is extremely expensive. It's as if everyone shoots 8K 120fps videos using Red cameras and shares such videos with their friends.

Being excited about Zen 4? DDR5 modules are still crazy expensive, Zen 4 motherboards will be a lot more expensive than Zen 3 motherboards. 170W AMD "TDP" which translates into around actual 230 watts? Is this even remotely exciting? And paired with power hungry RX 7000/RTX 40, we are looking at 1KW PSUs as bare minimum. This is not exciting, this is bloody ugly.

My PC (minus monitor) is capped at ~350W (5800X + 1660 Ti). I intend to keep it this way.

 

[Dr. Dro]

The only benefit of a single-brand PC is the ability to control everything from a single software. For example, if you have an Asus motherboard and an Asus graphics card, you can synchronise their RGB lights via Aura Sync. AMD relies on software control a lot more heavily than Intel or Nvidia, so I can see why one would want to stick to all AMD parts in a build, or avoid AMD altogether.

Keep an eye on this project, it may prove useful in the future

OpenRGB

Open source RGB lighting control that doesn't depend on manufacturer software

openrgb.org

 

[dgianstefani]

Keep an eye on this project, it may prove useful in the future

OpenRGB

Open source RGB lighting control that doesn't depend on manufacturer software

openrgb.org

Problem is it isn't set and forget.

 

[ARF]

Voted "NVIDIA Ada (GeForce 40)" just because I'm tired of so many people still cheering up for everything AMD. AMD passed Intel in market capitalization a month ago or so, it's not an underdog by a long shot any longer. Didn't vote RPL because it's basically ADL with increased caches and upped frequencies and the same quite outdated and not really performant Intel Xe graphics architecture.

This is funny because it doesn't mention the facts. A fact is that AMD could have been much larger now and could have still owned the manufacturing arm if it wasn't for the dirty anti-competitive practices by Intel which stopped them from shipping CPUs to the largest OEMs - the mother of all programs, and the best friend money can buy...

To answer the poll - of course RDNA 3, but Zen 4 is also critical because those 16 cores might be weak to remain competitive with Intel's new generation with 24 cores.

 

[AM4isGOD]

The only benefit of a single-brand PC is the ability to control everything from a single software. For example, if you have an Asus motherboard and an Asus graphics card, you can synchronise their RGB lights via Aura Sync. AMD relies on software control a lot more heavily than Intel or Nvidia, so I can see why one would want to stick to all AMD parts in a build, or avoid AMD altogether.

Other than this, I agree.


Perhaps yourself included, based on your user name?

My user name is sarcasm

 

[Deleted member 211755]

I'm excited about all of these!
I feel it will be a step up from previous generations
especially RTX 40 series.

I hope it will bring down prices of the likes of RTX 3060 and RX6600XT
for us who still game on 60 Hz monitors with cards like GTX 1060, 1660, RX 580 and RX 590.

 

[Vayra86]

Definately RDNA3 and also Ryzen ZEN 4

This.
RDNA3 over ADA because we really already know what moves Nvidia is up to. RDNA2 is a much more interesting arch to see RT implementation on right now as it will impact console future and with thst, the entire PC gaming landscape. AMD also has an opportunity to insert lessons learned out of the industry wrt RT push. ADA is going to simply be either a good or bad sell based on how the stack is going to market, but we know whats coming anyway. A slight refinement and power bump like weve seen before.

Zen4 because its just again architecturally much more interesting than a competitor that, as is the case with Nvidia, lacks innovation and is content pushing TDP over efficiency to win meaningless battles.

AMD is just positioned better in every way for an interesting new gen.

 

[T_Zel]

An amazing excitement lacking any ground. And of course NVIDIA and Intel lacking innovation is just a complete load of hogwash. NVIDIA has basically pioneers half of the features of the modern graphics stack, including the latest tech such as RTRT, Tensor Cores, a ton of AI applications but, yeah, "no innovation" and "pushing TDP" and AMD totally hasn't pushed 6900/6950XT power consumption to the absolute maximum and the future Ryzen 7950X with its TDP of 170W (~230W in real life) is totally power efficient.

And of course Polaris, RX 580, was totally power efficient, yeah. Like probably the worst product in terms of power efficiency for the past decade.

The Washing Machine as a location could totally explain the logic behind this insightful message.

That guy hit a nerve I see. Never mind that current gen AMD CPUs and GPUs are more efficient than their competitors, lets dig up 5 year old hardware specs to make an irrelevant point. It also seems silly to pass judgement about the 7950X's efficiency (or lack thereof) when we don't know what Raptor Lake's efficiency looks like. There are already 13900K leaks citing upwards of 250W, in which case clearly AMD will be competitive for efficiency. But it's all rumour and speculation until the chips hit the streets, so until then arguing about it is pointless.

Context is everything. And in the context of the current day, where Nvidia doesn't seem to be doing much other than throwing bigger dies and more power at the problem, AMD's MCM GPU is far more interesting even if it loses. At least it's an innovative new approach to GPU design, and it could very well be the same situation that Zen 1 was in CPUs. Not the outright winner initially, but the first step in a series of architectures that culminates with something great.

Intel's big.Little architecture was an interesting twist with Alder Lake, but Raptor Lake is just more of the same. Zen 4 is also more of the same, so there's not really much to be excited about with upcoming CPUs in my opinion. That will probably heat up with Meteor Lake, where Intel will finally release a chiplet-based CPU. Or "tiled" as they like to call it.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I'm sure not all that thrilled about intel selling thermal defective cores as some sort of innovation.
AMD shook intel's cage with 5k series and that was funny as hell to see

So yeah 7k series I hope is just as funny

 

[ARF]

Speaking of these, AMD was about to release somethings after the Fusion project... APUs?

So, why does Intel use fast 3733 MHz DDR4, while AMD uses slow 2400 MHz DDR4?

 

[Vayra86]

Voted "NVIDIA Ada (GeForce 40)" just because I'm tired of so many people still cheering up for everything AMD. AMD passed Intel in market capitalization a month ago or so, it's not an underdog by a long shot any longer. Didn't vote RPL because it's basically ADL with increased caches and upped frequencies and the same quite outdated and not really performant Intel Xe graphics architecture.

That left me with NVIDIA. The RTX 20 series was underwhelming, the successor was too expensive and power hungry, hopefully at least RTX 4060 (non-Ti) will be something to talk about.

Not interested in PCI-E 5 SSDs at all. My SATA SSD (obviously capped at ~540MB/s) suffices me 100%. People have gotten really crazy in their desire to have the latest and fastest. PCI-E 2.0 SSDs are already extremely fast and enough for 99.99% of people out there.

~10GB/s read/write speeds? What for let me ask you? Which network interfaces sport such speeds? Consumer Ethernet is capped at ~300MB/s (2.5Gbps). 10GBps (~1.2GBps) can be perfectly served by PCI-E 2.0 SSDs and this network interface is extremely expensive. It's as if everyone shoots 8K 120fps videos using Red cameras and shares such videos with their friends.

Being excited about Zen 4? DDR5 modules are still crazy expensive, Zen 4 motherboards will be a lot more expensive than Zen 3 motherboards. 170W AMD "TDP" which translates into around actual 230 watts? Is this even remotely exciting? And paired with power hungry RX 7000/RTX 40, we are looking at 1KW PSUs as bare minimum. This is not exciting, this is bloody ugly.

My PC (minus monitor) is capped at ~350W (5800X + 1660 Ti). I intend to keep it this way.

Your post is hilarious and the now removed stab at me even more so. Even you cant deny 40 series is uninteresting much like everything since Turing but you still vote on it so you can be different because Nvidia needs some TLC?

What are you smoking? Burnt GDDR6x?

Im glad we have consensus in this topic Thx

In my view the most interesting company is not whoever is the underdog, but whoever has design wins, and AMD is on a spree the past half decade while complacency took over its competition. AMD really deserves all it gains right now. A stronger AMD means a bigger message to its competition: 'you fucked up'... and that is what competitive markets are all about and the way we as consumers get better product for our money. Of course AMD prices its performance for what its worth. Its how markets work.

Wash that. You're in denial, its part of the grieving process, take your time. Im the same guy who voted Nvidia just like you prior to RDNA2 and Nv's silly RT adventure btw.

The only constant in time, is change buddy.

 

[AM4isGOD]

A stronger AMD means, more obnoxious comments by AMD users on TPU, but "shrug" I will be one of them soon so can join in merrily. Where do i go to get the brain washing though?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Brand loyalty is such a pitiful state of mind. Both AMD, Intel and NVIDIA will walk over you with no regard for anything but their bottom line if it comes down to that. It's the important thing to keep in mind. That's why we want these companies to be at each others' throats, so we get cheaper products and win as customers.

The evidence is everywhere. AMD refusing to update many motherboards and getting their PR guy to actually write a lengthy post making up lies for it + artificial feature segmentation on Radeon, NV's trademarked anti-competitive nonsense we all intimately know and "love", Intel's pricing when they could ask $1700 on a 10-core processor not so very long ago...

 

[HenrySomeone]

Everybody excited about zen4 while Raptor Lake is shaping out to be the clear winner...I foresee a lot of butthurt in the near future.

 

[AM4isGOD]

Everybody excited about zen4 while Raptor Lake is shaping out to be the clear winner...I foresee a lot of butthurt in the near future.

I'm just wondering if AM5 is gonna need 2yrs of constant ageesa updates just to make it work properly, never mind bios updates. I will no doubt give AM5 a go, but will be waiting till it has had a month at least for initial updates and bug fixes.

I did jump on ADL on release and typical Intel it just worked out of the box with zero problems since. It will be nice if AM5 can do the same.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Intel's pricing when they could ask $1700 on a 10-core processor not so very long ago...

Yeah, Intel's very top chips were expensive, but so were AMD's Athlons back in the day (2004-2006), but here's the thing: you could almost always get a great mainstream/midrange one at a decent price, even when they decimated the competition (think 2500k), but as soon as AyyyMD made a decent chip (zen3), they dialed the prices up to 11, with the lowest of the bunch going for $350 in the first 6 months. So what's worse - an expensive top-of-the-line cpu, but affordable mainstream or slightly less expensive top dog, but much more expensive everything else? Mind you, they need to be competitive; 1000 series at a discount price doesn't count since it was just so far behind on performance.

 

[LuxZg]

Why are you so set on RX series GPU?

Buy what is best for your use - in some cases this is Nvidia.

Brand loyalty benefits noone.

So set? Not at all. It was mostly just as an example. I do "cheer" for AMD, but I still spent last ~10y on Intel CPUs and had pretty even share of both AMD and Nvidia GPUs, and my current PC is Intel/Nvidia. I have absolutely zero brand loyalty. When buying time comes, it's literally who offers me the most for my hard earned money. And that takes local pricing into consideration, not imaginary and/or US pricing. Now if I was building PC today - it would be AMD. So I expect it could still be AMD in ~November/December for CPU/MBO, and we will see what happens by the time I get enough money for GPU. Who knows, maybe Intel ;D Only thing I know it won't be is an Apple

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I haven't been keeping up with prices but nvidia is the only one that I read about that prices dropping a bit.

 

[maxfly]

We know far to little about anything right now. I'm not betting on anyone at this point. Particularly when all we have to go on are rumors and hunches. I can wait.

 

[wheresmycar]

Voted "NVIDIA Ada (GeForce 40)" just because I'm tired of so many people still cheering up for everything AMD. AMD passed Intel in market capitalization a month ago or so, it's not an underdog by a long shot any longer. Didn't vote RPL because it's basically ADL with increased caches and upped frequencies and the same quite outdated and not really performant Intel Xe graphics architecture.

That left me with NVIDIA. The RTX 20 series was underwhelming, the successor was too expensive and power hungry, hopefully at least RTX 4060 (non-Ti) will be something to talk about.

Not interested in PCI-E 5 SSDs at all. My SATA SSD (obviously capped at ~540MB/s) suffices me 100%. People have gotten really crazy in their desire to have the latest and fastest. PCI-E 2.0 SSDs are already extremely fast and enough for 99.99% of people out there.

~10GB/s read/write speeds? What for let me ask you? Which network interfaces sport such speeds? Consumer Ethernet is capped at ~300MB/s (2.5Gbps). 10GBps (~1.2GBps) can be perfectly served by PCI-E 2.0 SSDs and this network interface is extremely expensive. It's as if everyone shoots 8K 120fps videos using Red cameras and shares such videos with their friends.

Being excited about Zen 4? DDR5 modules are still crazy expensive, Zen 4 motherboards will be a lot more expensive than Zen 3 motherboards. 170W AMD "TDP" which translates into around actual 230 watts? Is this even remotely exciting? And paired with power hungry RX 7000/RTX 40, we are looking at 1KW PSUs as bare minimum. This is not exciting, this is bloody ugly.

My PC (minus monitor) is capped at ~350W (5800X + 1660 Ti). I intend to keep it this way.

ooooh i like this... nicely put!

"People have gotten really crazy in their desire to have the latest and fastest." .... i feel you bro. I see this sort of thing all the time. I won't lie, i'm sometimes an impulsive buyer and have been victim to these overheads (some unknowing of benefit)... but lately thanks to tech communities like these i'm now dead vigilant before splashing out. This cautious behaviour was encouraged during the lockdowns/pandemic.. an eye opener for me from various perspectives (won't get into that).

Poll: i selected Ryzen 7000 lol. 4000 series GPUs being second up although I still feel the speculated $500 for a mid range high performance card is way too much! I'd probably wait long after the launch of these GPUs... beyond AIB drops too although I don't think this will help with driving the cost down (hence 2nd place)

 

[mplayerMuPDF]

ooooh i like this... nicely put!

"People have gotten really crazy in their desire to have the latest and fastest." .... i feel you bro. I see this sort of thing all the time. I won't lie, i'm sometimes an impulsive buyer and have been victim to these overheads (some unknowing of benefit)... but lately thanks to tech communities like these i'm now dead vigilant before splashing out. This cautious behaviour was encouraged during the lockdowns/pandemic.. an eye opener for me from various perspectives (won't get into that).

Poll: i selected Ryzen 7000 lol. 4000 series GPUs being second up although I still feel the speculated $500 for a mid range high performance card is way too much! I'd probably wait long after the launch of these GPUs... beyond AIB drops too although I don't think this will help with driving the cost down (hence 2nd place)

Definitely agree with this. How many people who have a Ryzen 9 or i9 (or RTX 3090 for that matter) *actually* need one? It is crazy when you consider how long the quad core i7 was *the* mainstream high-end option that so many people are not satisfied with a good hexacore or even octacore. This is why I am worried about the insane power consumption of today's high-end parts. An all too common response is "well, you don't have to buy those. The lower-end (i.e. mid range) parts are much more power efficient.". The problem is that I have the feeling that a lot of people simply always buy the fastest/highest end (mainstream) part regardless of what they actually need. They just need to have the fanciest option out there and keep up with everyone else, everything else (financial responsibility, environmental cost, social cost) be damned. It is like some people here in the US buying a (preferably lifted) V10 or Hemi full-size truck when they may or may not even have the need for a compact 4-cylinder pickup truck.

I feel like there are a lot more people buying these insane components today than people who bought, say, an FX-9590 all those years ago.

 

[Solid State Brain]

This is why I am worried about the insane power consumption of today's high-end parts. An all too common response is "well, you don't have to buy those. The lower-end (i.e. mid range) parts are much more power efficient.". The problem is that I have the feeling that a lot of people simply always buy the fastest/highest end (mainstream) part regardless of what they actually need.

The problem with available CPUs is that low-end parts tend to have a low number of cores and relatively low speeds, while high-end ones have a large number of cores and high speeds.

But gaming needs mostly only high speeds with a limited number of cores, while efficient compute performance needs a large number of cores at low-to-moderate speeds.

Thus, gamers are forced to go for the high-end parts for maximum performance even if they don't need the extra cores, while prosumers only have to downclock or power-limit them in order not to waste energy for long-running multithreaded tasks.

 

[wheresmycar]

Definitely agree with this. How many people who have a Ryzen 9 or i9 (or RTX 3090 for that matter) *actually* need one? It is crazy when you consider how long the quad core i7 was *the* mainstream high-end option that so many people are not satisfied with a good hexacore or even octacore. This is why I am worried about the insane power consumption of today's high-end parts. An all too common response is "well, you don't have to buy those. The lower-end (i.e. mid range) parts are much more power efficient.". The problem is that I have the feeling that a lot of people simply always buy the fastest/highest end (mainstream) part regardless of what they actually need. They just need to have the fanciest option out there and keep up with everyone else, everything else (financial responsibility, environmental cost, social cost) be damned. It is like some people here in the US buying a (preferably lifted) V10 or Hemi full-size truck when they may or may not even have the need for a compact 4-cylinder pickup truck.

I feel like there are a lot more people buying these insane components today than people who bought, say, an FX-9590 all those years ago.

If people are buying i9's for gaming, they've already lost the plot. I refuse to be swayed with market gimmickery "fastest gaming CPU"... apparently even the reviewers are at it. Until benchmarks prove otherwise (not measly 1-2% gains for day light robbery higher premiums) i'm sticking with 6/8 core solutions.

TBH, i don't care about how people spend their money or companies getting rich off them... i care more about the "balance" or "true to form value (to some extent)". If bad value sells and raises demand, no doubt the effects trickle down across the board. Nowadays even mid ranged graphics card are very expensive. The increase in premiums were prevalent way before the pandemic, so we cant blame external factors other than GPU manufacturers caking it (well there is/was the crypto mining craze). Another thing i care about is power consumption and heat output. Current trends aren't showing positive signs here either.

lol and all we gamers have to do is lower the FPS barometer. At 1440p, i can't see much difference between 95fps and 144fps in the games i play hence im not in a rush to grab a 40 series card.

 

[AM4isGOD]

Definitely agree with this. How many people who have a Ryzen 9 or i9 (or RTX 3090 for that matter) *actually* need one? It is crazy when you consider how long the quad core i7 was *the* mainstream high-end option that so many people are not satisfied with a good hexacore or even octacore. This is why I am worried about the insane power consumption of today's high-end parts. An all too common response is "well, you don't have to buy those. The lower-end (i.e. mid range) parts are much more power efficient.". The problem is that I have the feeling that a lot of people simply always buy the fastest/highest end (mainstream) part regardless of what they actually need. They just need to have the fanciest option out there and keep up with everyone else, everything else (financial responsibility, environmental cost, social cost) be damned. It is like some people here in the US buying a (preferably lifted) V10 or Hemi full-size truck when they may or may not even have the need for a compact 4-cylinder pickup truck.

I feel like there are a lot more people buying these insane components today than people who bought, say, an FX-9590 all those years ago.

They're called must haves. Just like to show off their best rig in the forums, and probably only use it for gaming. An i9/5950x for gaming is just pissing money up a wall.