The reason for fundamental disagreement is a fundamental flaw and is a result of closed-mindedness and closed personal perspective though, which was the point I was going for. That may be true in the US, but not globally. There are still many parts of the world that operate under pure need. And even in the US pure need drives many, and "need" now takes a different context. My main point with that was that it has become so convoluted and gargantuan that it's somehow gotten out of control, it is an entity unto itself and we are slaves to it. Like I said, it's hard for me to explain in words, I doubt you understood most of what I said there (at least the way I meant it), and I don't blame you.