Windows 12

bonehead123 · Dec 1, 2022

Well, I just downloaded & installed the latest update to the Windows4eva build #95143.684716.25847.01.3c (AKA Windows 214.08.579).

It was only 42,861 PB, and includes all the features anyone could eva want in an operating system, including a quantum neural interface, unlimited gravimetrically generated virtual ram, and most importantly, NO FRIGGIN ADS

Ah shucks, I gotta leave now, since it seems as though I have violated all of my 3351 NDA's by posting this info

ThrashZone · Dec 1, 2022

Hi,
Only thing 12 will be is more restrictive
Is that really something to look forward to, the closed garden is complete.

Zareek · Dec 1, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Only thing 12 will be is more restrictive
Is that really something to look forward to, the closed garden is complete.

They are going to "closed garden" their OS out of existence. PC users are not mindless Apple zombies. Something else will pop up to take its place. Half the software is going web based anyway, platform-agnostic. The faster people's home connections get, the faster that shift will happen.

lexluthermiester said:
I actively(and forcefully) remove all of microsoft's bloatware/fluff/garbage they add in.

Does that include all the MS nagware? The bloat and nagware are the two biggest things that irritate me about Windows 10. The half-baked UI and trying to dumb down everything to be more Mac like are a close third and fourth.

lexluthermiester · Dec 2, 2022

P4-630 said:
Windows 7 was a pita with never ending searching for windows updates.....

Well that's what you get for not turning auto updates off..

P4-630 said:
Don't know if you ever heared of security updates....

Yes, it's called manual installation. Manually down security update packs, install, reboot, play on..

Zareek said:
Does that include all the MS nagware?

You have to ask(read absolutely)?

Zareek said:
The bloat and nagware are the two biggest things that irritate me about Windows 10.

I feel you, but never saw much of it. I've always done lean & clean configs. I have ZERO tolerance for any of microsoft's shenanigans and BS.

Shihab · Dec 2, 2022

P4-630 said:
That was because the official updates support was EOL..

EoL meant an end to production of new patches, not provision of existing ones. Dunno if they still allow the built-in, update tool to access servers today, but I'm positive they did well into 2021s.
That said, there were cases that required manual patching before 2020, although not by design (nor common).

Zareek said:
They are going to "closed garden" their OS out of existence. PC users are not mindless Apple zombies. Something else will pop up to take its place. Half the software is going web based anyway, platform-agnostic. The faster people's home connections get, the faster that shift will happen.

I wouldn't put much faith in PC users. The average PC user doesn't really care much what they use, and the main reason they're on a PC not a Mac is that it was more available and cheaper.
On a side note: Cloud-based applications are the worst kind of walled gardens.
On another side note: The opposite of mindless Apple zombies are mindless Google zombies fooled into believing they aren't.

chrcoluk · Dec 2, 2022

Feature wish list.

Quick Launch
Small icons
Small padding in UI
Start menu
REFS boot drive support
No features aimed at touch devices on desktop version
BBR congestion control
Premium paid for debloated version LTSC style aimed at consumers
7 taskbar tweaker settings made available in base OS

ThrashZone · Dec 2, 2022

Zareek said:
They are going to "closed garden" their OS out of existence. PC users are not mindless Apple zombies. Something else will pop up to take its place. Half the software is going web based anyway, platform-agnostic. The faster people's home connections get, the faster that shift will happen.

Does that include all the MS nagware? The bloat and nagware are the two biggest things that irritate me about Windows 10. The half-baked UI and trying to dumb down everything to be more Mac like are a close third and fourth.

Hi,
Well they will allow other stores like apple and google so that will be the only exceptions outside of the shit ms store.

Zareek · Dec 2, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Well they will allow other stores like apple and google so that will be the only exceptions outside of the shit ms store.

Again, "walled garden" themselves out of the desktop OS business. There are certainly more stable operating systems, more secure OSes, more performant OSes, cheaper OSes, simpler OSes and pretty much anything else you could ask for. For business, it's hard to beat Active Directory. Outside that, they have been offering flexibility and legacy support. Give up that and what is their purpose. Games are better on a nice PC, but game developers adopted the console first mentality years ago. Walled garden means less support for modding and such. The writing is on the wall, and M$ is just accelerating the transition. They won't come out and say it, but I bet they see a future with Xbox as their sole gaming platform. Probably that streaming crap to boot!

Deleted member 57642 · Dec 2, 2022

Technically we're still on Windows 10 with a major feature update on top (well, there's still some leftovers - quite big too - from Windows Vista, Windows 7 and 8 or even bits and pieces from older versions

.

Anyway, I'm sure will see other major feature packs which will change the naming to Windows 12, 14 and such... which goes hand in had with the evolution of hardware - where this change of name (labeling it as a New Windows OS) - implies New Contracts with the OEM manufacturers - aka Profit. On the other hand - current hardware (the type that could run an OS like windows) - current technology - is bound to hit a brick wall in the upcoming future (probably sooner than latter - based on the way things are going/advancing). A time when Windows will also be stuck to its final build (imo). I mean, this is still fiction....

...for now. But there are some truths in that. Unless Microsoft builds a New OS from scratch - i don't see how Windows could run on a hardware involving a different technology.

As for the upcoming major feature pack for Windows - i have no expectations whatsoever. Since the lack of expectations = less room for disappointment. That's actually why i can enjoy Windows 11 - while the younger version of me - would have probaly been to stubborn t switch from Windows 10. ^^

theFOoL · Dec 2, 2022

What happened to service packs? :slap:

M$?! Unless y'all just rename to "Feature updates"

ARF · Oct 10, 2023

Windows 10 was originally described as “the last version of Windows”, with Microsoft providing regular updates rather than launching a brand-new version.

Windows 12 rumoured to be announced next year

The next major version of Windows is thought to be arriving in 2024, with Microsoft and others already hinting at some new features

www.techadvisor.com

Intel teases Windows “refresh” coming in 2024 as Windows 12 launch is rumored

Microsoft is rumored to launch Windows 12 in 2024.

www.theverge.com

Apparently, the rumour says it - be prepared for the 2024 launch. :nutkick:

lexluthermiester · Oct 11, 2023

ARF said:
Windows 12 rumoured to be announced next year

The next major version of Windows is thought to be arriving in 2024, with Microsoft and others already hinting at some new features

www.techadvisor.com

Note the title: "...rumored to be announced...". Think about that for a moment and ask yourself the following question: "Am I gossiping and rumor-spreading to be helpful or am I just trolling?"

ARF said:
Intel teases Windows “refresh” coming in 2024 as Windows 12 launch is rumored

Microsoft is rumored to launch Windows 12 in 2024.

www.theverge.com

Apparently, the rumour says it - be prepared for the 2024 launch.

You're quoting "TheVerge". If you want people to take you seriously you need to stop with that kind of craziness. "TheVerge" is garbage media. Don't quote them here unless you enjoy discrediting yourself and being laughed at.

Toothless · Oct 11, 2023

lexluthermiester said:
Note the title: "...rumored to be announced...". Think about that for a moment and ask yourself the following question: "Am I gossiping and rumor-spreading to be helpful or am I just trolling?"

You're quoting "TheVerge". If you want people to take you seriously you need to stop with that kind of craziness. "TheVerge" is garbage media. Don't quote them here unless you enjoy discrediting yourself and being laughed at.

Flashbacks to Verge building a desktop

lexluthermiester · Oct 11, 2023

Toothless said:
Flashbacks to Verge building a desktop

LOL! Had forgotten about that. :laugh:

Nhonho · Oct 16, 2023

Windows 12, like all Windows, will only be stable 2 or 3 years after its launch.

theFOoL · Oct 16, 2023

Nhonho said:
Windows 12, like all Windows, will only be stable 2 or 3 years after its launch.

I mean why can't they just look at win7 and just upgrade and be Done

lexluthermiester · Oct 16, 2023

Nhonho said:
Windows 12, like all Windows, will only be stable 2 or 3 years after its launch.

That wasn't true with Windows 7, Windows 10 or Windows 11. It's VERY unlikely to be true with Windows 12, when it finally gets announced and released. So that was a bit of a silly statement.

theFOoL said:
I mean why can't they just look at win7 and just upgrade and be Done

Right there with you good sir!!

Nhonho · Oct 17, 2023

lexluthermiester said:
That wasn't true with Windows 7, Windows 10 or Windows 11. It's VERY unlikely to be true with Windows 12, when it finally gets announced and released. So that was a bit of a silly statement.

I disagree.

Fizban · Oct 17, 2023

68Olds said:
I haven't even tried Win11 yet, so I'm certainly not ready for Win12.

Vista's biggest problem was MS's unrealistic minimum required RAM (512MB). I ran Vista 32bit with 2GB of RAM for a while without issue. It was even better after I put 4GB in the system.

(Favorite number is 42).

I don't think it's unrealistic compare to other OS's. 512 MB will function, but not well. Same holds for Windows 11 - it only "needs" 4 GB, but you couldn't pay me to go back to having less than 16, and even 16 would be painful.

Nhonho said:
Windows 12, like all Windows, will only be stable 2 or 3 years after its launch.

The only times I've had Windows 11 be anything but rock solid were when I was using developer preview builds. I've been using Windows 11 since the very first leaked build in June of 2021, it was stable even then, just missing features, and largely resembling Windows 10 with minimal differences.

There's some changes I'm not a huge fan of, but stability has not been a concern, at all.

lexluthermiester · Oct 17, 2023

Nhonho said:
I disagree.

You can disagree all you want. Merit is what matters and your statement has none.

Shrek · Oct 18, 2023

XSAlliN said:
Technically we're still on Windows 10 with a major feature update on top (well, there's still some leftovers - quite big too - from Windows Vista, Windows 7 and 8 or even bits and pieces from older versions .

Anyway, I'm sure will see other major feature packs which will change the naming to Windows 12, 14 and such... which goes hand in had with the evolution of hardware - where this change of name (labeling it as a New Windows OS) - implies New Contracts with the OEM manufacturers - aka Profit. On the other hand - current hardware (the type that could run an OS like windows) - current technology - is bound to hit a brick wall in the upcoming future (probably sooner than latter - based on the way things are going/advancing). A time when Windows will also be stuck to its final build (imo). I mean, this is still fiction....

...for now. But there are some truths in that. Unless Microsoft builds a New OS from scratch - i don't see how Windows could run on a hardware involving a different technology.

As for the upcoming major feature pack for Windows - i have no expectations whatsoever. Since the lack of expectations = less room for disappointment. That's actually why i can enjoy Windows 11 - while the younger version of me - would have probaly been to stubborn t switch from Windows 10. ^^

1000x faster? say 3THz, the speed of light travel distance is then a tenth of a millimeter per cycle.

mechtech · Oct 18, 2023

found the new cover for win 12

LabRat 891 · Oct 18, 2023

With all the bloat, ad-integration, etc. I'm starting to think this statement is actually accurate.
Windows as we've ever known it to be, seems to have ended with 10.

IMO, Msft is just afraid to lose "brand recognition"

lexluthermiester · Oct 18, 2023

LabRat 891 said:
With all the bloat, ad-integration, etc. I'm starting to think this statement is actually accurate.
Windows as we've ever known it to be, seems to have ended with 10.

IMO, Msft is just afraid to lose "brand recognition"

That happened with Windows 7. Windows 10 is just a polished version of the pile of poo Windows 8 was.

Honestly, Windows 11 is enjoyable. It's no Windows 7, but it's a BIG improvement over 10.

Deleted member 234997 · Oct 18, 2023

I still to this day have never had a single problem with any Windows version.

Linux?

Lets just say Nobara is my fave for a reason, took a long time to get something good there.

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Windows 12

Are you ready for next Windows, Windows 12?

Yes

No

I will decide after first reviews

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