I had no idea you could get the Macs without the software, thanks for clarifying. It's just that I think the antitrust rulings are kind of bogus, since bundled software is usually something that vendors like Dell take care of. It isn't like Microsoft specifically forces everyone to use their software. When I buy a new computer, it isn't Microsoft's stuff that I'm worried about. It's software that gets bundled that I don't like. Most of the time I don't even boot a new PC, I just pop in my install disk and format the damn thing.