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Just got my auzentech X-Fi Forte installed. Holy fuckin balls the headphone amp is insane!! Sound quality is marginally better than my Audigy 2ZS at my normal volumes and thru the speakers (which is a testament to how good the Audigy 2ZS really was), but really shines when you push your cans.

I'm amazed the difference in the headphones. My RE0's never sounded this good. It would've easily taken a $200 headphone amp to match this.
 

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speaking of USB devices, i have a live! 24 bit USB sound card. i wonder if theres an x-fi mod for it...
 

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Im tempted to pick up another creative card in the future - just because it has less issues since the drivers have matured
only thing i dont like is the additional services it installs,
 

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only thing i dont like is the additional services it installs,
yeah - creative control panel & all that other bollocks is bloated as hell. Asus's control panel & other software is pretty light but my pc boots up a little slow cuz of that gay HP printer software
 
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yeah - creative control panel & all that other bollocks is bloated as hell. Asus's control panel & other software is pretty light but my pc boots up a little slow cuz of that gay HP printer software

The creative audio control panel is actually very light and simple.
Maybe you're talking about the console launcher (the one who let's you switch between gaming, productivity and music listening). The latest has more bells and whistles and it's heavier (but it's negligible for today's CPUS).

But you can do everything from the simple control panel, actually. You don't even need to install the console launcher.

 

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blah, im just use to having the console launcher in the taskbar.
 
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winamp at 50% volume = unboosted.

Past that, it amplifies the sound internally.
Didnt know that, could you provide the source for that information.. Also for the OS volume in Windows 7 , whats the optimal unboosted value ?
 

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Didnt know that, could you provide the source for that information.. Also for the OS volume in Windows 7 , whats the optimal unboosted value ?
sorry, no source... its just something i've known about PC's for a ridonculously long time. 50% (windows volume) = unamplified, so use that and adjust the rest on your speakers.
 

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Been using 25% OS volume, I guess ill up it to 45%
 

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Not a problem, man :toast:



Been using 25% OS volume, I guess ill up it to 45%
Mussels is right - it kinda depends on hardware, drivers and OS, but typically, right around 46% is when is starts amplifying the hardware output channels.

I try to recommend to users to keep the WIN master volume setting(s) under 50% whenever possible, as it keeps the OPAMPs from constantly having to beef the output . . . like all PCB components, the harder they work, the quicker they degrade.
 

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EarlZ said:
Didnt know that, could you provide the source for that information.. Also for the OS volume in Windows 7 , whats the optimal unboosted value ?
As for Win 7 as well as the XP, the decibal Values where almost accurate and its 50% (i.e 0.0 dB) on the Creative volume panel. However in Vista it was different case.
On X-Fi anything beyond 50% volume is a boost up volume in the X-Fi Mixer.

imperialreign said:
Mussels is right - it kinda depends on hardware, drivers and OS, but typically, right around 46% is when is starts amplifying the hardware output channels.
This is may be because, creative assumes that, as ppl are likely to turn on the X-Fi Crystalizer and as this feature digitally amplifies the signal by 3 dB, a total of 46~47% Main volume + Crystalizer 3% volume = 50% of total Volume i.e nothing but unharmed and clean 0.0 dB :)
 
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This is may be because, creative assumes that, as ppl are likely to turn on the X-Fi Crystalizer and as this feature digitally amplifies the signal by 3 dB, a total of 46~47% Main volume + Crystalizer 3% volume = 50% of total Volume i.e nothing but unharmed and clean 0.0 dB :)
Very true - and wouldn't surprise me if such was their thinking . . . even more-so considering how "hyped" the Crystallizer feature is/was.

But, many of us purists here avoid the feature like the plague - there's a link in Post #1 to a really good, in-depth look at the Crystallizer feature, and what it's actually doing . . . needless to say, for audio that's already "high quality," (think: uncompressed .wav) it can actually hurt the quality of the output.
 

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I've read about the technology behind the 24bC and on a technical view on the feature it adds nothing but distortion, on the subjective view it does make a lot of my FLAC and CD-A sound significantly better but its all about personal preference.
 

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But, many of us purists here avoid the feature like the plague - there's a link in Post #1 to a really good, in-depth look at the Crystallizer feature, and what it's actually doing . . . needless to say, for audio that's already "high quality," (think: uncompressed .wav) it can actually hurt the quality of the output.
True. Tbh i never turn on the over hyped Crystalizer. But even with out this gimmick feature, the X-Fi is just impressive. I hear evrything in Crystal Clarity.
 
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Some small updates . . .

For those who've been wanting to backup their custom EQ presets (which comes in handy after driver updates - as custom settings are returned to default), I've finally run across where they're stored on your HDD.

In Vista (and probably OS7): C:\ProgramData\Creative\CADI\Preset\

On XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Creative\CADI\Preset\


Back up the .DAT file to a safe folder. To re-instate your custom EQ settings, simply copy the backup .DAT into the aforementioned folders, and your EQ presets will be available.

I'm still looking for where the custom mixer, surround, THX, speaker/bass, EAX and other configs are stored . . . and will pass that info along once I find it.

It would be absolutely awesome if, once this info is found, that a programer could code a small GUI program to backup all the files, and re-install them as necessary. :toast:


==========================

Also of note, Creative have recently announced an expansion to the X-Fi Titanium lineup, dubbed the X-Fi Titanium HD, and a new USB soultion named the USB Sound Blaster X-Fi HD.

The new card itself offers some respectable numbers, will be native PCI-E x1, and will also boast some "departures" from Creative's typical style:

  • •RCA Line Out for audio playback up to 122dB, 24-bit/96kHz Digital-to-Analog Converters (DAC)
    •RCA Line Input for recording up to 118dB, 24-bit 96kHZ Analog-to-Digital Converters (ADC)
    •0.001% Total Harmonic Distortion + Noise (THD+N)
    •Headphone output for audio listening up to 115dB 33 Ohms, and 117dB, 330 Ohms, at 24bit/96kHz
    •Replaceable Op-amps
    •Hardware-accelerated 3D positional audio and EAX® 5.0 effects that provide a truly immersive experience with headphones and speakers
    •Dolby Digital and DTS encoding enables one-step single-cable connection to home entertainment systems
    •TOS-link optical-in/out
    •1/8" microphone-in
    •1/8" headphone jack
    •Creative ALchemy to restore EAX and surround sound that is otherwise lost in DirectSound game titles running under Windows Vista and Windows 7
    •ASIO recording support with latency as low as one millisecond with minimal CPU load
    •Works with Windows Vista and Windows 7 operating systems


Of major note - replaceable OPAMPs. This will be the first card offered by Creative to support user-replaceable OPAMPs. Based on these claimed specs, this card will take the lead from the X-Fi Elite Pro in terms of audio output quality (remains to be seen from real-world testing, though). As well, the headphone specific output (seperate from the primary outputs) which leads me to believe there's a major departure from Creative's typical audio architecture design . . . It also appears that this card will support new THX features and capabilities, and is now brandishing the THX logo quite extensivelly.

Full press release can be read here: http://www.creative.com/corporate/pressroom/releases/welcome.asp?pid=13137

Press released image of the card:



I'm getting the impression this card will be a major step in the right direction for Creative - and I'm already itching to hear how these cards will sound.
 

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Looks like they are taking cues from the Auzentech cards. Cna't be a bad thing. I love my Forte. It kicks major ass.
 
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I always thought the next X-Fi cards would be powered by Zii processors.

I guess I was wrong.
 

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I always thought the next X-Fi cards would be powered by Zii processors.

I guess I was wrong.
what? creative release new tech? they're the only company worse than Nvidia for rebranding
 
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Forgot to mention - I'm planning sometime *hopefully* before summer, of going through this thread and "cataloging" posts with important information . . . I intend to do some major updating to the OP, and include a lot of new information, and perhaps link to the respective post where that info is found in the thread.

So, if anyone has any other info or knowledge they want to share, or knows of any good utilities/apps that are helpful, feel free to post them up :toast:
 
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what? creative release new tech? they're the only company worse than Nvidia for rebranding

In this case, hardware stagnation is clearly dictated by the lack of competition.
Nonetheless, the new models appear to have improved DACs and ADCs.
 

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Looks like they are taking cues from the Auzentech cards. Cna't be a bad thing. I love my Forte. It kicks major ass.
@ Wile E..,

What speaker sets u make use of ????


imperilareign said:
Some small updates . . .

For those who've been wanting to backup their custom EQ presets (which comes in handy after driver updates - as custom settings are returned to default), I've finally run across where they're stored on your HDD.

In Vista (and probably OS7): C:\ProgramData\Creative\CADI\Preset\

On XP: C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\Creative\CADI\Preset\


Back up the .DAT file to a safe folder. To re-instate your custom EQ settings, simply copy the backup .DAT into the aforementioned folders, and your EQ presets will be available.
Great info mate.. Really Apreciated :)
 

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@ Wile E..,

What speaker sets u make use of ????




Great info mate.. Really Apreciated :)
No speakers right now. Using a Panasonic SA-PM39D mini system as my speakers right now. I used to have a pair of M-Audio monitors tho. I moved them to a friend's studio tho.

Most of my serious listening happens thru a pair HiFiMan RE0 IEMs.