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Samsung Readies 290-layer 3D NAND for May 2024 Debut, Planning 430-layer for 2025

Samsung is preparing to launch its 9th Generation V-NAND (3D NAND flash) memory next month, Korean publication Hankyung reports. The 9th Gen 3D NAND flash memory by Samsung is expected to offer 290 layers, a step-up from the 236-layer 8th Gen V-NAND that the company debuted in 2022. Samsung reportedly achieved the 290-layer vertical stacking density through improvements in its flash layer stacking techniques that relies on increasing the layer counts through more memory holes in the flash layer. The cost here is data density per wafer, but a net gain from the increase in layer counts.

The same source behind the 9th Gen V-NAND story also reports that the company is targeting a rather early 2025 launch for its successor—the 10th Gen V-NAND. This is expected to be a mammoth 430-layer 3D NAND flash, a jump of 140 layers over the 9th Gen (which itself jumped by 54 layers over its predecessor). This would put Samsung back on track along with its competitors, Kioxia, SK Hynix, Micron Technology, and YMTC, as they gun for the ambitious goal of 1000-layer 3D NAND flash by 2030.
Many Thanks to TumbleGeorge for the tip.
Sources: Hankyung, Wccftech
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20 Comments on Samsung Readies 290-layer 3D NAND for May 2024 Debut, Planning 430-layer for 2025

#1
Bwaze



Woohooo, I can hardly wait for 2 TB M.2 2230 drives that are cheaper to make but still cost the same!
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#2
THANATOS
Bwaze


Woohooo, I can hardly wait for 2 TB M.2 2230 drives that are cheaper to make but still cost the same!
So true. :laugh:
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#3
Kohl Baas
Bwaze


Woohooo, I can hardly wait for 2 TB M.2 2230 drives that are cheaper to make but still cost the same!
Layers of Fear. :laugh:
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#4
Denver
Bwaze


Woohooo, I can hardly wait for 2 TB M.2 2230 drives that are cheaper to make but still cost the same!
Higher profit margins and QLC*
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#5
GabrielLP14
SSD DB Maintainer
@btarunr one correction buddy it's 280-Layers no? it might be 290 gates in total accounting for things suck as dummy word lines, DSTs and such.
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#6
A&P211
DenverHigher profit margins and QLC*
I welcome our QLC overlords
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#7
Prima.Vera
8TB SSD for the price of a 1TB ??
Knowing how greedy and callous are those companies, probably it will never happened, even if the tech is already there for years...
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#8
Denver
A&P211I welcome our QLC overlords
I really hope QLC doesn't become the industry standard. If it were my choice, no product would incorporate QLC: Sacrificing two-thirds (66%) of the useful life for a mere 33% increase in capacity is a foolish trade-off that only serves to line the pockets of companies. It's detrimental to the environment and downright harmful to our pockets.
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#9
Wirko
Prima.Vera8TB SSD for the price of a 1TB ??
Knowing how greedy and callous are those companies, probably it will never happened, even if the tech is already there for years...
Yoz mean QLC hard disks?
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#10
tommo1982
DenverI really hope QLC doesn't become the industry standard. If it were my choice, no product would incorporate QLC: Sacrificing two-thirds (66%) of the useful life for a mere 33% increase in capacity is a foolish trade-off that only serves to line the pockets of companies. It's detrimental to the environment and downright harmful to our pockets.
I'd like to see reduced power consumption and heat dissipation. It's ridiculous when a tech which was supposed to use less power uses more and needs a radiator.
I'd like to see Boot drives made with SLC. A 512GB SSD would be great for such purpose. TLC is fine for bulk storage. Intel's Optane was great, unfortunately limitations imposed on in made the product unattractive.
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#11
Denver
tommo1982I'd like to see reduced power consumption and heat dissipation. It's ridiculous when a tech which was supposed to use less power uses more and needs a radiator.
I'd like to see Boot drives made with SLC. A 512GB SSD would be great for such purpose. TLC is fine for bulk storage. Intel's Optane was great, unfortunately limitations imposed on in made the product unattractive.
Embracing recent process such as 6nm compared to the current 12nm widely used in controllers could indeed significantly reduce power consumption; Silicon Motion SM2508 PCIe 5.0 SSD Controller Faster and More efficient than Phison (guru3d.com)

"The SM2508 adopts TSMC's 6nm EUV manufacturing process, distinguishing it from competitors like the PS5026-E26 and Innogrit IG5666 PCIe 5.0 SSD controllers, which operate on the 12nm process node. This advancement results in a 45% reduction in power consumption compared to the 12nm node and up to a 20% reduction in logic cell area compared to the 7nm node. "
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#12
Random_User
With even more horrendous re-write cycle count. Might as well having "premium" destroyer firmware.
What is pretty much certain as concrete, it will have fat Samsung tax, so the buyer can buy two of the same capacity/quality rival storage devices.
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#13
Wirko
GabrielLP14@btarunr one correction buddy it's 280-Layers no? it might be 290 gates in total accounting for things suck as dummy word lines, DSTs and such.
By the way, why are those NAND layer counts so disturbingly non-binary? Or, to put it better, non-round in binary notation.
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#14
Minus Infinity
DenverI really hope QLC doesn't become the industry standard. If it were my choice, no product would incorporate QLC: Sacrificing two-thirds (66%) of the useful life for a mere 33% increase in capacity is a foolish trade-off that only serves to line the pockets of companies. It's detrimental to the environment and downright harmful to our pockets.
Nah Scamsung are quietly working on PLC, QLC is too good a performance to cost ratio.
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#17
Denver
Minus InfinityNah Scamsung are quietly working on PLC, QLC is too good a performance to cost ratio.
If that happens, we can go back to using HDDs. Raid-0 FTW.
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#18
Prima.Vera
We should admit that MLC is dead and gone, while TLC will be next. If this garbage trend with PTC continues, we will have DLC (Deca Level Cell, or 10 bits per cell) garbage, with a lifespan of couple of months, tops.
You got to love greed and "progress" /s
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#19
Wirko
GabrielLP14hope they never came LOL
Well, sometimes you just need analogue memory for neural network coefficients ... and those are supposed to degrade over the years, to better simulate a mouse brain. (
Domestic mice live for 1 - 3 years.
)
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#20
Bwaze
The only progress we have seen in a last couple of years was practically only seen in benchmarks measuring sequential read / write. And heat, requiring Heath Robinson contraptions to combat it. And higher prices. Really invinting...
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