Thursday, September 17th 2009

DirectX 11 Won't Define GPU Sales: NVIDIA

"DirectX 11 by itself is not going be the defining reason to buy a new GPU. It will be one of the reasons." This coming from the same company that a few years ago said that there was every reason to opt for a DirectX 10 compliant graphics card, to complete the Windows Vista experience, at a time when it was the first and only company to be out with compliant hardware. In the wake of rival AMD's ambitious Evergreen family of DirectX 11 compliant graphics cards being released, NVIDIA made it a point to tell the press that the development shouldn't really change anything in the industry.

Speaking at the Deutsche Bank Securities Technology Conference, NVIDIA's VP of investor relations said "DirectX 11 by itself is not going be the defining reason to buy a new GPU. It will be one of the reasons. This is why Microsoft is in work with the industry to allow more freedom and more creativity in how you build content, which is always good, and the new features in DirectX 11 are going to allow people to do that. But that no longer is the only reason, we believe, consumers would want to invest in a GPU."

"Now, we know, people are doing a lot in the area of video, people are going to do more and more in the area of photography… I think that the things we are doing would allow the GPU to be a co-processor to the CPU and deliver better user experience, better battery life and make that computers little bit more optimized," added Mr. Hara

NVIDIA, which was until very recently a firm believer in graphics processing horsepower to serve as the biggest selling points of new GPUs, now switches its line on what it believes will drive the market forward. All of a sudden, software that rely on the raw computational power of GPUs (eg: media transcoding software), and not advanced visual effects that a new generation API brings with it (in games and CGI applications), is what will drive people to buying graphics processors, according to the company.

Mr. Hara concluded saying "Graphics industry, I think, is on the point that microprocessor industry was several years ago, when AMD made the public confession that frequency does not matter anymore and it is more about performance per watt. I think we are the same crossroad with the graphics world: framerate and resolution are nice, but today they are very high and going from 120fps to 125fps is not going to fundamentally change end-user experience. But I think the things that we are doing with Stereo 3D Vision, PhysX, about making the games more immersive, more playable is beyond framerates and resolutions. Nvidia will show with the next-generation GPUs that the compute side is now becoming more important that the graphics side."

The timing of this comes when NVIDIA does not have any concrete product plans laid out, while AMD is working towards getting a headstart with its next-generation GPUs that are DirectX 11 compliant, and also has compliance with industry-wide GPGPU standards such as DirectCompute 11 and OpenCL.
Source: Xbit Labs
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194 Comments on DirectX 11 Won't Define GPU Sales: NVIDIA

#101
toyo
In the end, how many even know who nVidia are? Looking back, I remember the puzzled faces of every guy/ette I helped with the computer when I told them: "Your videocard is nVidia/ATI. It's overheating etc.". Say what? "Ah, we know Intel, we heard about them on TV. About them and Microsoft. Big, bad companies, they do big bad things. Never heard of such things as videocard or ATI/nVidia. Maybe you wanna make fun of us...". Damn I had two friends who brought their shiny laptop to me crying it won't start anymore... it had a CD loaded so it couldn't boot.
I mean, within this sea of ignorance (or we shall call it a "cloud"?) almost no one will know about these (fascinating) GPU wars. People find it hard to think these days.
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#102
erocker
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BenetanegiaYeah and everbody thought DX10 was going to change the field of gaming. It did not, we all learnt. It's stupid to stumble into the same rock again. I know that, you know that, Nvidia knows that and AMD knows that. If anything the only dishonest voice regarding DX11 is AMD, with all the "know the future" and whatnot BS. Even when it does change how games could be made (AKA is a huge technology advancement), it won't change the gaming reality in any near future. No matter they released DX12 today with nuclear technology into it, games would still be "tweaked" DX9 games. That is the reality, DX11 means as much as DX10 did, that is 0.
Nope, that is all to be seen yet. All companies involved are guilty of crappy slogans, saying this, saying that.. whatever. We will see.
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#103
[I.R.A]_FBi
We know everyone wont run out to buy a 58XX or a GTX380 or whatever, but whatever is at the top determines how the middle and bottle dollar is spent to some extent
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#104
PVTCaboose1337
Graphical Hacker
Seeing as how 16 members are watcing, and 28 guests (44 people) we have to ask, which one of you is going to get a DX11 capable card. Just when you are giving your opinion about DX11 changing the industry or not, just put in a "PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card (or not)" and why you are buying it!
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#105
Benetanegia
phanbueyWe agree there... but what about PhysX? I have it... and its bullsH** yet at the same time that they downplayed dx11 they talked up PhysX and "immersive experience"... you see?

They are both full of sh**. But only one is a hypocrite.
I have Physx and I love it. Between you and me that's a 50/50 love/hate. And the thing is that Physx is something that comes appart, they don't have to make the engine any different in order to use it (you have to for DX). As long as Physx is integrated, GPU acceleration can be used or not as easily as you can change from using low detail textures to high detail textures. And Physx changes the gaming experience much much more than what a "better way of doing AA" or "look the head doesn't have edges now, but I have to not be playing to even notice it" DX features can do for me.

None of the companies are free of being hypocrite. Continuing with Physx, AMD said they would not support a propietary technology, while at the same time they were secretly working with Havok, or what it is the same Intel, to use their propietary tech.
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#106
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
PVTCaboose1337Seeing as how 16 members are watcing, and 28 guests (44 people) we have to ask, which one of you is going to get a DX11 capable card. Just when you are giving your opinion about DX11 changing the industry or not, just put in a "PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card"
i'll get one.

one 5850 will match the power of my 4870's, while letting me run three screens at the same time with lower power consumption.
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#107
PVTCaboose1337
Graphical Hacker
Musselsi'll get one.

one 5850 will match the power of my 4870's, while letting me run three screens at the same time with lower power consumption.
Ok so you will get one not because of DX11! Or does DX11 even factor into the equation for you?
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#108
[I.R.A]_FBi
"PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card" after the prices drop

better feature set and lower power consumption.
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#109
TheMailMan78
Big Member
PVTCaboose1337Seeing as how 16 members are watcing, and 28 guests (44 people) we have to ask, which one of you is going to get a DX11 capable card. Just when you are giving your opinion about DX11 changing the industry or not, just put in a "PS: I'm gonna get a DX11 capable card (or not)" and why you are buying it!
Ill be buying one for sure. Do I "need" one no. But for some reason I must have one. DX11 will not be utilized to its full extent until new consoles are released. Hell I have two 4850s in crossfire right now and all I play is BF2 :laugh:
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#110
laszlo
PVTCaboose1337Extreme example 2: Well we elected Obama...

But back to the topic, remember DX10.1 vs DX10. People bought the DX10.1 equipped cards because they thought that they would not be able to play the latest and greatest games.
exactly and let's see minimum system requirement for afew new games:

Red Faction Guerilla:"Video Memory: 128 MB (ATI Radeon X1300/NVIDIA GeForce 7600)"

Wolfenstein:"Video Card: 256MB NVIDIA(R) Geforce(R) 6800 GT or ATI Radeon(TM) X800"

NFS SHIFT:"Video Card – 256 MB, with support for Pixel Shader 3.0;Supported chipsets: ATI Radeon X1800 XT 512MB or greater; NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GT 256MB or greater"

so we see PS2 supported games,interesting no?

as already discussed in other thread all future game will be dx9 compatible for sure and they will run on better DX9-DX10 cards i bet
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#111
Batou1986
i will get a dx 11 capable card but im in no rush i didn't buy my current card because it was dx 11 or cuda or phsyx i bought it because it just works with no hassle and it runs smoother regardless of dx version.

all i can say is from my experience im sticking with nvidia i was an ati fanboy since the 9800 pro till i decided to upgrade roud the 3xxx series and i went through 3 cards that where either doa or artifacted and glitched in games so i bought a 9800gtx + figuring what the hell it cant be any worse.
Boy was i surprised everything just worked no more crap where some games i have to tweak the settings endlessly before it will run right, and no more glitchy drivers
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#112
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
PVTCaboose1337Ok so you will get one not because of DX11! Or does DX11 even factor into the equation for you?
it does. its ONE of many reasons to get one of these cards.

i tend to keep my cards for several years, and i dont like to replay games.

If i play a game with less than max graphics the first time around, i rarely bother to come back for a second time a few years later when i upgrade - so i like to be high end from the start.


That said, i have no immediate rush to update - i'll wait until i have a buyer for my cards to alleviate the cost.
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#113
PVTCaboose1337
Graphical Hacker
I myself drive my cards to their death. My 7900gt lasted till I could not do what I wanted. What was what I want? Play Crysis. Can my 4850 do that? Hell yes. Can my 4850 do all I want right now? Hell yes, and more! Do I need to upgrade now? No.
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#114
Batou1986
PVTCaboose1337I myself drive my cards to their death. My 7900gt lasted till I could not do what I wanted. What was what I want? Play Crysis. Can my 4850 do that? Hell yes. Can my 4850 do all I want right now? Hell yes, and more! Do I need to upgrade now? No.
Exactly :rockout: bout time gfx ppl wake up and realize theirs no point to being able to run crysis or something at 16xaa with 16xaf at some ridiculous 2000x res at 150fps it looks fine with 2x aa at 1680x1050 @ 30< fps on my rig
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#115
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
PVTCaboose1337I myself drive my cards to their death. My 7900gt lasted till I could not do what I wanted. What was what I want? Play Crysis. Can my 4850 do that? Hell yes. Can my 4850 do all I want right now? Hell yes, and more! Do I need to upgrade now? No.
my problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock :D
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#116
phanbuey
Musselsmy problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock :D
yep me too!... im jealous of the 4850 doing everything that one needs... lol my 260's dont even do that for me... i could easily double up on power and feel like it was a worthwhile investment.

And AA is key.
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#117
PVTCaboose1337
Graphical Hacker
Musselsmy problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock :D
Yeah I guess you might want to play L4D2 on max settings... OH WAIT YOU CAN'T CAUSE YOUR COUNTRY BANNED IT :roll:

Just kidding but yeah I am the same way, but the problem is I cannot afford (not much income here) to do that. In fact, I actually downgraded because I was going off to college and needed a laptop (specs to left).
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#118
Batou1986
I will agree there ive been a stickler for Vsync as of late, tho ur talking 120hz ive always had issues with skipping and stuff when games run well over 100fps especially online
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#119
toyo
I'm itching to buy one too. I can't say yet if it will be a nvidia or ATI, I'm waiting for the price battle that will take place next year.
My reasons are:
- I love tech, especially CPU/GPU stuff, if I had the money I'd probably go with fastest things available
- It will match with W7 DirectX11. Games will appear slowly...
- I hope more and more programs will take advantage of the GPU. I use the kind that's probably to do that among the 1st (design)
- I just can't wait to see it in my case, cool as spring, powerful as Niagara, silent as the Dark Knight preying on the Arkham inmates (ok, just let me dream about the cool&silent, k), 40nm process ftw
- other reasons, I could go on for ages ...
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#120
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
Batou1986I will agree there ive been a stickler for Vsync as of late, tho ur talking 120hz ive always had issues with skipping and stuff when games run well over 100fps especially online
thats because you have a 60Hz screen. you cant get above 60FPS on it, any higher and its.. how to explain... getting lost? going nowhere?

my point was that i got used to 120hz and 120FPS, so dropping to 60 is acceptable, but bad enough for me. dropping to 30 is not acceptable, and drives me mad.


One thing that needs to be said as well: any DX11 games being made right now, will be coded for ATI since they have those cards to test on.

What this means is that when Nvidia do launch, ATI has a head start on support and performance, as the game makes can support ATI from the early stages, whereas nvidia has to be patched in.
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#121
[I.R.A]_FBi
Musselsmy problem is that i have the ability to see upto around 120 FPS/120hz. i used to run that on my old 19" CRT at 1024x768, but lack that ability now on LCD.

My problem is that anything below 60FPS feels slow to me, since i happen to have fast reaction times. so when i say i want to play games maxed out, i mean "play them maxed out at 60FPS minimum" - and thus is my drive to overclock :D
I wish my wallet could see that well
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#122
TheMailMan78
Big Member
MusselsOne thing that needs to be said as well: any DX11 games being made right now, will be coded for ATI since they have those cards to test on.

What this means is that when Nvidia do launch, ATI has a head start on support and performance, as the game makes can support ATI from the early stages, whereas nvidia has to be patched in.
THIS is a good point. You just sold me on the 5870 ;)
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#123
HellasVagabond
What does it matter right now who gets the first DX11 card on the market ? It will matter when the first games get released, just like it mattered with the DX10 launch.

That aside it is no secret that with Cuda/PhysX/Stereo3D NVIDIA has been trying to make a better product and that is what they are supporting, is that a bad thing ? Would i or anyone else support the opponents solution ? Did ATI ever support NVIDIAs solutions ?

Reading between the lines means nothing, the bottom line does and right now we are all arguing about the single most silly thing, which will launch a DX11 compliant card first when there is no usage for it yet.

Mussels you code a game according to the code not a card, not if that company does not invest on your project, thus it has nothing to do with who launches a card first.
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#124
TheMailMan78
Big Member
HellasVagabondWhat does it matter right now who gets the first DX11 card on the market ? It will matter when the first games get released, just like it mattered with the DX10 launch.

That aside it is no secret that with Cuda/PhysX/Stereo3D NVIDIA has been trying to make a better product and that is what they are supporting, is that a bad thing ? Would i or anyone else support the opponents solution ? Did ATI ever support NVIDIAs solutions ?

Reading between the lines means nothing, the bottom line does and right now we are all arguing about the single most silly thing, which will launch a DX11 compliant card first when there is no usage for it yet.
In way less than a few months DX11 games will be on the market. Your argument is null.
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#125
HellasVagabond
DX11 games will be on the market long after NVIDIA cards.
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