Imsochobowell, You forgetting that we have better pays than usa.

When my education is done i get
3500+ euro's a month is surely nothing i complain about ;)
Currently at 1800 though :P

Its more expensive here, okey, we earn more, okey, diffrence = we can afford more in most countries, depending on what country and state we are comparing..

What are you studying/becoming?
That's about average for starting Electrical Engineering salary in the states.

ZubasaWell, the problem about lenght is indeed a serious issue.
I don't give a damn about the 5870X2, but the 5870 is undisputablly too long.
Btw, the get a bigger case logic only works, because you are living in the USA where producing waste is a right by law almost. :slap:
The flat I am living in Hong Kong costed $8000HK thats $1000 per square feet, now getting a new case if fine, but getting a new fat is not fine. :shadedshu
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Huh? You live in a flat that's only 8 sq ft?? That's some tight dimensions.
Do you sleep standing up? ;)

PP MguireWell in fact there is no need to complain. If you think there is such a problem with the length then dont buy it. Simple as that. :rolleyes:
Nobody is forcing you to buy the card OR upgrade your case.

If I think there is a problem I speak out, not hiding it or blindly accepting anything they dump on me.
Freedom of speech it is.

ZubasaWell, the problem about lenght is indeed a serious issue.
I don't give a damn about the 5870X2, but the 5870 is undisputablly too long.
Btw, the get a bigger case logic only works, because you are living in the USA where producing waste is a right by law almost. :slap:
The flat I am living in Hong Kong costed $8000HK thats $1000 per square feet, now getting a new case if fine, but getting a new flat is not fine. :shadedshu

Most importantly, these cards are well over the limit of CEB boards (dual cpu boards) which is 10.5", ATi can't force their customers to get new cases everytime they release a new card.
At lease, nV manage to keep their cards at 10.5" at all times.
Long ass card is long ass, no matter you an fit it or not.
People complain when there is a need to complain.

Is the card long? Yup. Do some people need to get a larger case to support it? Oh yeah. Is this card necessary to run any particular game? Nope.

So now explain to me how ATI is "forcing" you to buy anything when a 3870 will run any game out right now just fine? This is a top end GPU my friend. A luxury component. No one "needs" this to run anything. I mean ATI isn't China. They're not forcing you to do anything.

Like what I did there? ;)

It's just funny people keeps saying this card is huge. I mean seriously it's only 11.1inc / 28.5cm Any basic Antec case squeezes easily 31cm in the slot just checked my box. Hell on drivebay little forward and it'll do easy up 32-33cm and even looks hell slot nicer than on stock.

:nutkick:

Those cards are still "too short" on my LianLi PC-80 :D

nice..... :) so we have the 5870x2... let see the 6 /8 core cpu from amd :D

pabloc74remember that this card isn't much better than gtx295, with 1 year min. in the market and "old" technology.
i learn something with ati, never belive what they benchs shows before launch the product. happens with 2*** series, 3*** series and phenom 1 amd processors

Actually it is not better at all from the GTX295 which is natural since it is a single core vs dual core...

TheMailMan78Is the card long? Yup. Do some people need to get a larger case to support it? Oh yeah. Is this card necessary to run any particular game? Nope.

So now explain to me how ATI is "forcing" you to buy anything when a 3870 will run any game out right now just fine? This is a top end GPU my friend. A luxury component. No one "needs" this to run anything. I mean ATI isn't China. They're not forcing you to do anything.

Like what I did there? ;)

At higher resolutions the 3870 is not fine at all.
Try to run GTA VI on a 3870 or RE5 for that matter, it is simply not fine anymore.
The RV670 with 320SPs isn't that much of a monster, it performs somewhere between the 9800GT and the 9600GT.
It is at default with 512MB memory, it easily runs out of frame buffer at resolution of cheap 16:9 monitors.

There is no point in bringing in the 3870, it is pretty much out of stock and it is a waste of energy.
ATi isn't China, because China right now isn't forcing people do do anything. :nutkick:

Is this card and the 5870 necessary to be so long? Nope.
There really need to be a reasonable limit on the length of components, after all it is a component which is suppose to fit in a standard case.
Your case can fit it, does not automatically means this card should be excessively long.

Everytime I am stating the fact, there is always the Red Army that is chanting "ATi is always right!" after me.

That thing is HUGE and making some of them "special" porn stars green with envy. Seriously, they should shorten it or go dual pcb like Nvidia used to do. I don't think it would even fit in my HAF 932. I do like it thought.

WarEagleAUThat thing is HUGE and making some of them "special" porn stars green with envy. Seriously, they should shorten it or go dual pcb like Nvidia used to do. I don't think it would even fit in my HAF 932. I do like it thought.

I partially agree . . . TBH, I don't think a second PCB would be the best idea (considering, sandwiching two PCBs together like nVidia had can create a major heat concern, even more-so when we consider the heat output of these GPUs), but some experimentation wouldn't hurt . . .


Really, though, I think the big thing that needs to be addressed is form factor. We've practically outgrown the ATX form - look at the size of our GPUs, our CPU coolers, the increased demands we place on our NSB/SSB (which would benefit more from being closer together) . . . I mean, sure, our cases can easily fit the motherboard, but the amount of other components your average rig runs quickly cuts off airflow inside a case . . . not to mention the relative size of components is making it harder and harder to install devices.

Just throwing out an idea I think everyone overlooks . . .

InTeL-iNsIdESeriousley why do people constantly insist on converting something from euros to USD, I guarantee it wont be the same conversion, the US always gets better prices than europe, on everything time and time again, yet people always come out with the same crap :rolleyes:

On topic, that is a monster, imagine 2 of those in quad crossfire, you could power a small town with the amount of power that would require, and prices will drop when gt300 comes out. I will wait for a £150 HD 5850 and be happy :D

And time and time again, Europeans, particularly the English, complain about the US supposedly getting everything cheaper.

What does it matter how much Americans pay? They work, six dollars an hour, you work, six pounds an hour. Americans pay 500 for a card, you pay 500 for a card.

It's so irrelevant what the actual markup is between cost and sell-out. Do you sit around and do that with everything, milk, shoes, televisions? Would you refuse to buy a Ferrari because in reality they didn't cost anywhere near 400,000 to build?

Just be happy that they actually sell them IN Europe, and not force you to buy them from the end-user side, THEN ship them overseas.

ZubasaAt higher resolutions the 3870 is not fine at all.
Try to run GTA VI on a 3870 or RE5 for that matter, it is simply not fine anymore.
The RV670 with 320SPs isn't that much of a monster, it performs somewhere between the 9800GT and the 9600GT.
It is at default with 512MB memory, it easily runs out of frame buffer at resolution of cheap 16:9 monitors.

There is no point in bringing in the 3870, it is pretty much out of stock and it is a waste of energy.
ATi isn't China, because China right now isn't forcing people do do anything. :nutkick:

Is this card and the 5870 necessary to be so long? Nope.
There really need to be a reasonable limit on the length of components, after all it is a component which is suppose to fit in a standard case.
Your case can fit it, does not automatically means this card should be excessively long.

Everytime I am stating the fact, there is always the Red Army that is chanting "ATi is always right!" after me.

:laugh: The "Red Army"? You're the one from China. Anyway man what you are stating isn't fact. Its opinion.

TheMailMan78:laugh: The "Red Army"? You're the one from China. Anyway man what you are stating isn't fact. Its opinion.

It is a fact that these cards exceed the limit of the form factors, even longer than workstation boards. :slap:

Anyone know what the price of this will be in the UK?

Everyone is looking at the length of the card, when the real interesting bit is the distance between the GPU's. It looks like there isn't enough space for a PLX chip between them. Any chance the connectivity is built in?

The number one reason for the long card is cooling. The frickin' chip gets hot. The cooling surface area is at least twice as it was in the previous generation. For both single GPU and dual GPU cards.

The second reason is marketing. Gamers need to show off their long... cards. The good people at ATI/AMD got that.

About the price. All fanboys should wake up. ATI/AMD is not here to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside... they are here to make money. You think they are making the prices go down in the market, but in reality they are doing what they can just to survive.

Hehe, I am glad that my CM Stacker 810 T01 (after 5 years of service!!) can still cope with everything that I throw at it. :D Best damn investment I ever made.

In fact ATi give me your best shot.. after theoretically installing this I still have like ~9 inches left to spare:p

Note to those that complain about standards....This card is still within regular E-ATX (13") maximum length.

ZubasaIt is a fact that these cards exceed the limit of the form factors, even longer than workstation boards. :slap:

If your case cannot fit this card may I suggest some kegel exercises?

newconroerAnd time and time again, Europeans, particularly the English, complain about the US supposedly getting everything cheaper.

What does it matter how much Americans pay? They work, six dollars an hour, you work, six pounds an hour. Americans pay 500 for a card, you pay 500 for a card.

It's so irrelevant what the actual markup is between cost and sell-out. Do you sit around and do that with everything, milk, shoes, televisions? Would you refuse to buy a Ferrari because in reality they didn't cost anywhere near 400,000 to build?

Just be happy that they actually sell them IN Europe, and not force you to buy them from the end-user side, THEN ship them overseas.

WTF are you on about I wasnt moaning about the damn price, I was saying that everyone who is converting euros into dollars neednt be because it never works that way, you seriousley need to learn to read and understand a post fully before you start flaming the wrong people :slap: :shadedshu

InTeL-iNsIdEWTF are you on about I wasnt moaning about the damn price, I was saying that everyone who is converting euros into dollars neednt be because it never works that way, you seriousley need to learn to read and understand a post fully before you start flaming the wrong people :slap: :shadedshu

It sure doesn't.

Here, a 5870 costs 349 euros while the same card costs $379.99 in the US. Applying this conversion rate, the 5870x2 will be around $737: that is if this conversion rate is accurate, which i wouldn't be surprised if it were quite close ...

$737 doesn't seem that high for a new top dual GPU card, wouldn't you dudes agree?

Ofc, conversion rates vary from country to country so it would depend on the country where that particular store is from ...

TheMailMan78If your case cannot fit this card may I suggest some kegel exercises?

Oh me?
My case can fit a 20ft card if I want to.
I am stating the card is longer than it needs to be, not because I can't fit it in.

HellasVagabondActually it is not better at all from the GTX295 which is natural since it is a single core vs dual core...

yes, but remember that is a "new" technology, and can't defeat the top vga actually, single or not.
if gt300 was the g80 was, there's one only thing that ati will do, reduce price as always done, because they can compite with the competition

pabloc74yes, but remember that is a "new" technology, and can't defeat the top vga actually, single or not.
if gt300 was the g80 was, there's one only thing that ati will do, reduce price as always done, because they can compite with the competition

I think your wrong about that Ati reduces prices because its cheaper for them to make thier products. They can go lower than Nvidia and still make the same profit or even more than nvidia thats how they compete. Its a totally diff strategy compared to Nvidia's brute force bigger faster chip philosophy.

ZubasaIf I think there is a problem I speak out, not hiding it or blindly accepting anything they dump on me.
Freedom of speech it is.

They're not dumping anything on you if you don't buy it. If you do buy it knowing the space restrictions, you're basically diving into a dumpster.

i see a lot of you talk about this conversion...

the fact is that in US a card cost ~370 USD which has already included the seller profit

let's say i own a company and buy from US 1000 card and shipp them in EU; i'm sure that the card price including shipping won't be higher than 370 USD at arrival in EU;EU don't have custom taxes for pc and parts only VAT which is up to 25% (depend on country) so the card prices go up to 460 USd;we add another 10% profit for me and the card selling price to retailers will be around 500 USD which will add another 10% so the card price go up to 550 USD=390 EUR familiar number no? this is why 1 USD=1 EUR;it won't be if EU don't have VAT like US (they'll have soon and the prices will go up but this won't affect EU prices as all goods exported from a country is VAT free)

before someone say that 390 EUR is too much (in Germany the card is 320 EUR) i want to point that the calculation is with 25% VAT and depend from country...(Germany-19%);anyway we'll have almost the same result that 1 USD=1 EUR almost...

Nvidia is obsolete,,,,

omg how many mudderfkin eyefinitiies can i hook up to this puppy? I tink a standard 5870 is enuff for me. ya. And you guys crying about teh length, any girl will tell you it all about the girth, anyway dont forget with no power connectors on the end its probably easier to fit in the case.