Wednesday, April 11th 2012

Xbox Durango Packs 16-core PowerPC CPU

A report in the the latest issue of Xbox World print magazine suggests that developer kits (devkits) of Durango (next-generation Xbox console), were implementing a "state of the art" 16-core IBM PowerPC CPU, its companion graphics processor is AMD-made, spec'd equivalent to AMD Radeon HD 7000 series, as previously reported. The 16-core CPU is said to have been implemented with a far-sight on the platform's longevity. "It's a ridiculous amount of power for a games machine - too much power, even. But remember, Kinect 2 could chew up four whole cores tracking multiple players right down to their fingertips, so it'll need a lot of power," the Xbox World article commented.

Source: CVG
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93 Comments on Xbox Durango Packs 16-core PowerPC CPU

#1
Mussels
Moderprator
Aquinus said:
RISC CPU cores tend to be smaller than CISC's. Depending on when this CPU could come out, I could be on a smaller process that could cram a lot of processing power in a CPU. Not to say that a console needs this, but I don't see it being unreasonable. MS isn't saying this is coming out this year. I could easily see this in 2-3 years from now.
thats a fair point actually, and not something i'd considered. for all we know they'll up the power of the GPU as well (crossfire? beefier model) before it comes out as well.
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#2
Kreij
Senior Monkey Moderator
Maybe IBM's new optochip technology is a lot closer to prime time than we know.
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#3
visz963
But can it play Crysis?
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#4
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
As I said in the other thread, how do we know these are 16 virtual cores like Xbox 360's 6 virtual cores? That would imply it has 8 physical cores with SMP. Considering Xbox 360 had 3 physical cores with SMP 7 years ago, that isn't unlikely. Even 16 physical cores with SMP doesn't sound unreasonable because we're talking Power PC RISC processors, not x86 CISC processors.
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#6
entropy13
The proletariat does not need more cores.
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#7
Ferrum Master
Bullshit... it is a quad core with 4 threads on each core... I suspect a weak performer...

Slide
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#8
Hayder_Master
thanks god, i hate consoles but that's mean new improvement in games graphics for PC.
no more crappy engine to force games run smooth on consoles.
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#9
Katanai
No! It's gonna have forty cores, no wait, make that fifty. Why, you ask? Because I dreamed that last night just like the original source of this "article".
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#10
JrRacinFan
Served 5k and counting ...
Ferrum Master said:
Bullshit... it is a quad core with 4 threads on each core.[/URL]
So, in reality, it's LIKE Bulldozer/Piledriver .....

Just a quick glance at the slide.
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#11
NinkobEi
Well the 16core cpu is likely not the quality of an intel one. If each core is as powerful as AMD's ol socket 939 cpus then that sounds about right
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#12
faramir
LDNL said:
A 16 core for what? ~300€/$? Sounds too good to be true
That's because it 99.99% is (too good to be true that is); it's mostlikely a 16 thread CPU, with 4 physical cores.
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#14
Yellow&Nerdy?
It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. I bet that the performance won't be that far away from "Orbis", which has a conventional quad-core.
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#15
ZoneDymo
Bull to the shit, that is all.
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#16
TheMailMan78
Big Member
Grings said:
Does this mean we will need at least 16 core pc's to play bad ports properly now? :(
Yes. Thats exactly what this means.
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#17
Delta6326
HAHAHAHAHA Thats funny they think they are going to put a 16 core Proc in a Box that is around 12" x 10"(just a guess) when SERVERS are starting to make a bigger move to 16Cores+ and can cost well over $600+...

Now if they meant to say 16 threads then this is a different story.
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#18
Patriot
Yellow&Nerdy? said:
It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. I bet that the performance won't be that far away from "Orbis", which has a conventional quad-core.
Facepalm...
one more time "It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. "
No...no it is not. 4 cores with 4 threads per core is not a 16 core cpu.
It is a quad core with 16 threads.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6506/surferibm05s021512.jpg

Rather interesting that IBM is making it at GF though... guess that is due to the GCN gfx part.

AMD made their first "fusion" with IBM in the Xbox 360...I wonder what they will gain from this venture.
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#19
Grings
Interesting that that slide shows a 'Blu Ray 3D hardware decoder'

Guess it will have a Blu Ray drive after all
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#20
Patriot
Delta6326 said:
HAHAHAHAHA Thats funny they think they are going to put a 16 core Proc in a Box that is around 12" x 10"(just a guess) when SERVERS are starting to make a bigger move to 16Cores+ and can cost well over $600+...

Now if they meant to say 16 threads then this is a different story.
meant or not...it the source says 4c/16t
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#21
Dent1
NC37 said:
A lot of cores doesn't always translate to extra performance. Bulldozer showed us that.
That is like comparing apples to oranges! Bulldozer is a desktop CPU, developers don't optimised most PC games.

Console hardware dates quickly so developers are forced and encouraged to utilise the hardware, thus making your point invalid.
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#22
[H]@RD5TUFF
And it will still be an underpowered lump of garbage.
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#23
theoneandonlymrk
Patriot said:
Facepalm...
one more time "It is 16 cores, but not 16 conventional x86-x64 cores. "
No...no it is not. 4 cores with 4 threads per core is not a 16 core cpu.
It is a quad core with 16 threads.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6...m05s021512.jpg

Rather interesting that IBM is making it at GF though... guess that is due to the GCN gfx part.

AMD made their first "fusion" with IBM in the Xbox 360...I wonder what they will gain from this venture.
Im finding the shared with gfx 80mb edram interesting, its allmost sounding like a conflab between Amd and Ibm , and im half thinking that if this isnt made SOC ,its being designed to become SOC at a later point

just with the blu ray decode mentioned plus the shared memory it almost sounds like they maybe putting the cores and gpu in the same silicon, which is quite doable since these arent 16 cores just 4 overprovisioned(ALA BD PD) plus a gpu element would fit ,hang on that config has a name:D

all just ramblings and speculation obv:)
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#24
ZoneDymo
Dent1 said:
That is like comparing apples to oranges! Bulldozer is a desktop CPU, developers don't optimised most PC games.

Console hardware dates quickly so developers are forced and encouraged to utilise the hardware, thus making your point invalid.
You know there is more then "gaming" right?
NC37 comment still stands, you are the one who has no point.
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#25
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
Mussels said:
i just dont see this happening, 16 core CPU's are just too niche. supply problems, high TDP, low per core performance... none of this will help out a console.
Yeah i think the rumor of a 6 core CPU sounds a lot more realistic. I am more concerned with vram and ram amount.
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