Friday, March 28th 2014

Intel Finalizes Feature-sets of the First Wave of 9-series Chipsets

Here's what the first wave of Intel 9-series chipsets will look like. It will consist of upper-mainstream chipsets for the LGA1150 platform, and the sole chipset for the LGA2011-3 HEDT platform. LGA1150 will get two new chipsets based on a common silicon, the Z97 Express, and the H97 Express. The Z97 will be the next top-end chipset for the platform, supporting current Core "Haswell" and upcoming "Haswell refresh" and "Devil's Canyon" processors. Motherboards based on the Z97 chipset, like the ones based on the Z87 and Z77, will feature up to three PCI-Express 3.0 slots wired to the CPU, in configurations of x16/NC/NC, x8/x8/NC, and x8/x4/x4. It will support overclocking, something its sibling the H97 Express will lack. The H97 will also lack the PCIe configurations that the Z97 supports.

Both Z97 and H97 will introduce support for PCI-Express M.2 storage, which offers 66.6% higher bandwidth than SATA 6 Gb/s, and the same bandwidth as SATA-Express. Its introduction will spur up development and launches of a new generation of high-performance client SSDs in 2014-15. Apart from M.2, the two chipsets offer six SATA 6 Gb/s ports with AHCI and RAID support. Rapid Storage Technology (RST) and Smart Response Technology (SRT) are common for both chips, however, the Z97 also features Dynamic Storage Accelerator (DST), something the H97 will lack. H97 will exclusively offer Small Business Advantage (SBA), instead. Both chips will feature 8-lane PCI-Express gen 2.0 root complexes to drive onboard devices, and 14 USB ports, including six USB 3.0 SuperSpeed ports.

The X99 Express is a different beast altogether. Designed for the upcoming "Haswell-E" HEDT platform, and the next-generation LGA2011-3 socket (incompatible with current LGA2011), the X99 platform is designed for high-end multi-GPU builds. It will let motherboard designers build boards with up to five PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots wired to the CPU, in either x16/NC/x16/NC/x8, or x16/NC/x8/x8/x8, or even x8/x8/x8/x8/x8. Letting you toss in a screamingly fast PCIe SSD along with your 4-way multi-GPU setup. Intel appears to have gotten over the SATA+SAS mess it built with the previous X79/C608 common silicon, and gave the X99 a monolithic 10-port SATA 6 Gb/s storage controller, with RST and SRT support. SSD TRIM will be supported on RAID 0 configurations. An 8-lane PCI-Express gen 2.0 root complex drives onboard devices, just like the on the Z97/H97, and a 14-port USB controller, with 6 USB 3.0 ports completes its main feature-set. Intel plans to launch the three around Q2-Q3, 2014.Source: Hermitage Akihabara
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55 Comments on Intel Finalizes Feature-sets of the First Wave of 9-series Chipsets

#1
derwin75
I'm looking forward to X99 chipset. :clap:
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#2
matar
Why intel you want us to buy new motherboards for an upgrade + memory
x99 & x79 use 2011 socket
Come on intel you just what more money their should be a why with a bios update intel could have made The Haswel-E to work with the X79.
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#3
HumanSmoke
matar said:
Come on intel you just what more money their should be a why with a bios update intel could have made The Haswel-E to work with the X79.
LGA2011-3 has the same number of pins as LGA2011, it doesn't have the same pin out assignments. They are incompatible.
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#4
buggalugs
matar said:
Why intel you want us to buy new motherboards for an upgrade + memory
x99 & x79 use 2011 socket
Come on intel you just what more money their should be a why with a bios update intel could have made The Haswel-E to work with the X79.
Not really, its entirely different hardware. New features for CPU and motherboard. This is the high end, I would buy new CPU/motherboard anyway. X79 lasted 2 generations, sandy and ivy, that's enough. X79 platform is old and outdated anyway(mostly sata 2 ports) and not enough PCI-E lanes.

Time to buy a new platform!!
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#5
the54thvoid
buggalugs said:
X79 platform is old and outdated anyway(mostly sata 2 ports) and not enough PCI-E lanes.
Well, I suppose it depends on your usage. But I have 2 dedicated x16 pci-e lanes and 4 sata 3 ports. I've been on SB-E since Nov 11 and my system is still stupidly fast. X79 is only outdated in an abstract way. It's like saying a 1990's supercar is outdated. I think the term would be 'classic', even though x79 lacked it's own USB3 controllers and the like, they're all still on board.

With the pace of IPC or frequencies slowing compared to years back and the decent over clocking of the SB chips, there has been no need whatsoever to upgrade (whereas for example, gfx have changed).

X79 has been my best PC choice to date.
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#6
Gadgety
"...up to five PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots wired to the CPU, in either x16/NC/x16/NC/x8, or x16/NC/x8/x8/x8, or even x8/x8/x8/x8/x8."

So two x16 cards and one x8. Or one x16 card and 3 x8. Or five x8 speeds. Does anyone know the reason why it's not possible with x16/x16/x16/x16/x16? What are the technological limitations that makes Intel go for this sort of set up? I've got x16/NC/x16/NC/x16/NC/x16 possibility on my MB today, or seven x8 single slots...
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#7
nemesis.ie
Gadgety said:
"...up to five PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots wired to the CPU, in either x16/NC/x16/NC/x8, or x16/NC/x8/x8/x8, or even x8/x8/x8/x8/x8."

So two x16 cards and one x8. Or one x16 card and 3 x8. Or five x8 speeds. Does anyone know the reason why it's not possible with x16/x16/x16/x16/x16? What are the technological limitations that makes Intel go for this sort of set up? I've got x16/NC/x16/NC/x16/NC/x16 possibility on my MB today, or seven x8 single slots...
It's to do with the total number of lanes the chip's root complex has.
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#8
TheinsanegamerN
Gadgety said:
"...up to five PCI-Express 3.0 x16 slots wired to the CPU, in either x16/NC/x16/NC/x8, or x16/NC/x8/x8/x8, or even x8/x8/x8/x8/x8."

So two x16 cards and one x8. Or one x16 card and 3 x8. Or five x8 speeds. Does anyone know the reason why it's not possible with x16/x16/x16/x16/x16? What are the technological limitations that makes Intel go for this sort of set up? I've got x16/NC/x16/NC/x16/NC/x16 possibility on my MB today, or seven x8 single slots...
there are only 40 total lanes to play with. x16/x16/x16/x16/x16 would require 80 lanes.
out of the box, intel does not support this. some boards get around this with the use of a PLX bridge, which is probably what your board has. this article is just talking about what the chipset itself can do, non-plx enhanced.
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#9
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
the54thvoid said:
Well, I suppose it depends on your usage. But I have 2 dedicated x16 pci-e lanes and 4 sata 3 ports. I've been on SB-E since Nov 11 and my system is still stupidly fast. X79 is only outdated in an abstract way. It's like saying a 1990's supercar is outdated. I think the term would be 'classic', even though x79 lacked it's own USB3 controllers and the like, they're all still on board.

With the pace of IPC or frequencies slowing compared to years back and the decent over clocking of the SB chips, there has been no need whatsoever to upgrade (whereas for example, gfx have changed).

X79 has been my best PC choice to date.
That's how I feel. X79 might be "outdated" but unless you're rocking >2 SSDs and 4 standard HDDs (or more if you include extra SATA controllers on the motherboard), the PCH is fine. Most people won't have more than 6 drives in their computer, let alone more than two SSDs and once again if you really have more than that, it would be worth getting a RAID controller and it's more objectionable that you would drive so many drives off the PCH.

My X79 board has three USB 3.0 hubs tied to three PCI-E lanes off the PCH which works just as well as being integrated into the PCH or into the CPU (in the case of SoCs), and I too am using 16 lanes for both video cards (which is way more than enough.)

I find it hilarious that people complain about the PCH when they would barely utilize the full thing themselves despite its age, but still at least it has 40 PCI-E lanes so if there is ever a time when it isn't, I can still do what I want.

Saying X79 is slow because it's old is like saying my 2001 Saab 9-5 Aero is slow because it's old, despite the fact that it's turbo'ed and has at least 240HP (~180kW) worth of power. Tell me more about how @the54thvoid and my rig are slow and inadequate because of a PCH that's a few years old. Despite it's age, it's still more than enough for most consumers. Plus, DMI 2.0 only has so much bandwidth so Intel can only add so much until the PCH starts bottlenecking under certain workloads.
TheinsanegamerN said:
there are only 40 total lanes to play with. x16/x16/x16/x16/x16 would require 80 lanes.
out of the box, intel does not support this. some boards get around this with the use of a PLX bridge, which is probably what your board has. this article is just talking about what the chipset itself can do, non-plx enhanced.
It's what the CPU can do.* The CPU offers most of the PCI-E lanes, however both X79 and X99 will offer 8 individual PCI-E lanes for expansion.

For example, The P9X79 Deluxe fills up all of those PCI-E 1x lanes with features built into the board where two of which (the eSATA and wi-fi devices,) can be switched to use whatever is plugged into either PCI-E 1x slots in the board instead of the integrated devices.
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#10
VulkanBros
What about memory support? DDR3 or DDR4 or is the memory controller in the CPU?
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#11
Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
VulkanBros said:
What about memory support? DDR3 or DDR4 or is the memory controller in the CPU?
Nothing has changed on that front. The memory controller is still sitting on the CPU like it has for the last 5 years. 2011-3 is supposed to use DDR4 and 1150 is supposed to continue using DDR3.
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#12
Assimilator
Still only 6 SATA3 and 6 USB3 on 97 series? Weaksauce. Looks like I'm definitely waiting for Skylake.
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#13
LAN_deRf_HA
Just hope Skylake is still coming 2015. Been waiting for a real jump since sandy.
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#14
buggalugs
the54thvoid said:
Well, I suppose it depends on your usage. But I have 2 dedicated x16 pci-e lanes and 4 sata 3 ports. I've been on SB-E since Nov 11 and my system is still stupidly fast. X79 is only outdated in an abstract way. It's like saying a 1990's supercar is outdated. I think the term would be 'classic', even though x79 lacked it's own USB3 controllers and the like, they're all still on board.

With the pace of IPC or frequencies slowing compared to years back and the decent over clocking of the SB chips, there has been no need whatsoever to upgrade (whereas for example, gfx have changed).

X79 has been my best PC choice to date.
I didn't like it. X58 was way better at the time. I had X79, with the 6 core CPU then went went to ivy mainstream then haswell. X79 always felt like an unfinished system to me.....well , it was well publicised that Intel cut corners and didn't complete the original design as intended. It annoyed me that the mainstream boards had better/newer features than the HEDT platform. It wasn't always like that, the HEDT platform before X79 had all the features of mainstream plus the extra performance. For some reason Intel went backwards with X79.

The other thing was, most of my benchmarks were around the same, except for where the extra 2 cores come into play, and that's not often. then the X79 system was using almost twice the power. Memory latency was much slower on X79 and it just felt unresponsive to me. Then only 2 sata 6GB/s lack of native USB 3.0, the whole system just put me on a downer. Sure I could buy a bunch of add-in cards but that would only solve half the problems.

My haswell board has all the bells and whistles, I got the wifi, Bluetooth and Thunderbolt all 6GB/s and native USB 3.0, plus a bunch of cool new features from Asus.

I will be getting Haswell- E though, I prefer the HEDT platform, but only if its better than mainstream and this time it will be. Like having DDR4 memory, this is what people want, new technology and features, and something that is CLEARLY better than mainstream.
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#15
Ed_1
With Broadwell coming out 1Q of 2015 and suppose to use Intel 9 chipset, anyone remember what socket it will be compatible with 1150 ,2011 or new one ?
Chip looks bigger with Edram on it , package wise .
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#16
buildzoid
buggalugs said:
I didn't like it. X58 was way better at the time. I had X79, with the 6 core CPU then went went to ivy mainstream then haswell. X79 always felt like an unfinished system to me.....well , it was well publicised that Intel cut corners and didn't complete the original design as intended. It annoyed me that the mainstream boards had better/newer features than the HEDT platform. It wasn't always like that, the HEDT platform before X79 had all the features of mainstream plus the extra performance. For some reason Intel went backwards with X79.

The other thing was, most of my benchmarks were around the same, except for where the extra 2 cores come into play, and that's not often. then the X79 system was using almost twice the power. Memory latency was much slower on X79 and it just felt unresponsive to me. Then only 2 sata 6GB/s lack of native USB 3.0, the whole system just put me on a downer. Sure I could buy a bunch of add-in cards but that would only solve half the problems.

My haswell board has all the bells and whistles, I got the wifi, Bluetooth and Thunderbolt all 6GB/s and native USB 3.0, plus a bunch of cool new features from Asus.

I will be getting Haswell- E though, I prefer the HEDT platform, but only if its better than mainstream and this time it will be. Like having DDR4 memory, this is what people want, new technology and features, and something that is CLEARLY better than mainstream.
X79 has 40 PCI-e 3.0 x16 lanes from the CPU and 8 PCI-e 2.0 lanes from the PCH. It can OC to 5 Ghz on water cooling and can push 2400mhz memory just fine.
Bluetooth is slow(I haven't used it more than 5 times and that was on my laptop) Thunderbolt is expensive and only a few Z87 boards support it(and I don't even know what I'd use it for) and WiFi is only useful on PCs that move around a lot. If you use more than 3 SATA ports on Z87 to their maximum the others will not have enough bandwidth. Also the only use of SATA 3 is SSDs and few people will have more than 2 and if you do have more than 2 SSDs you should probably get a RAID card.
On some X79 boards you can have 2 GPUs a RAID card a Sound card and one more card all at the same time which is something no Z87 board is capable of doing.
X79 is meant to be the ultimate desktop chip set and should therefore be a system that stays in one place for most of it's life and has 3 or more expansion cards in it.
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#17
Easy Rhino
Linux Advocate
If you use your PC to play games and you have a CPU/GPU made in the past 3 years you don't need anything new until probably late 2015.
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#18
TheGuruStud
LAN_deRf_HA said:
Just hope Skylake is still coming 2015. Been waiting for a real jump since sandy.
It's just another shrink with differences like from IVB to Hasbeen. IPC is maxed and you won't see intel spending any money to change that. They will continue to shrink the dies and use the cheapest silicon possible to leverage profit. New high performance chips don't fit into that equation. You'll have to go Xeon (which is only faster b/c of more cores and cache of course).
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#19
BorisDG
No one wants to pay premium price for beta product. People, decided to buy X99 will be from those. :) DDR4 platform will be new and like every first thing, there are everytime problems.

Just sayin'.
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#20
Assimilator
TheGuruStud said:
It's just another shrink with differences like from IVB to Hasbeen. IPC is maxed and you won't see intel spending any money to change that. They will continue to shrink the dies and use the cheapest silicon possible to leverage profit. New high performance chips don't fit into that equation. You'll have to go Xeon (which is only faster b/c of more cores and cache of course).
It's not so much the CPU as the chipset; Skylake should support DDR4 and SATA Express.
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#21
Hilux SSRG
Assimilator said:
Skylake should support DDR4 and SATA Express.
I should hope so when its released.

I too am waiting for Skylake and hope the corresponding Z97/Z107 platform include PCI-Express 4.0 x16 slots and NVLINK.
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#22
Patriot
TheinsanegamerN said:
there are only 40 total lanes to play with. x16/x16/x16/x16/x16 would require 80 lanes.
out of the box, intel does not support this. some boards get around this with the use of a PLX bridge, which is probably what your board has. this article is just talking about what the chipset itself can do, non-plx enhanced.
40 per cpu... I get around this with a 2nd cpu.
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#23
Sasqui
The only upgrade for me in the next year or two will be a new graphics card!

Tick Tick Tick (I didn't hear any Tock)
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#24
Patriot
Sasqui said:
The only upgrade for me in the next year or two will be a new graphics card!

Tick Tick Tick (I didn't hear any Tock)
2011-3 is a Tick.... You must be on the peasant socket if this is a tock :P
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Aquinus
Resident Wat-man
Patriot said:
2011-3 is a Tick.... You must be on the mainstream socket if this is a tock :p
I updated your post to be less condescending. Not everyone needs a HEDT platform.

Also, chipset wise, he is right. 1366 only had one consumer chipset (X58), 2011 had only one (X79), and 2011-3 very well might only have X99, excluding server chipsets like the C600-series or 5500-series.
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