Wednesday, October 22nd 2014

Intel Core i7 "Broadwell-E" HEDT Chips Arrive in 2016

Intel is beginning to put out the first details of its next high-end desktop (HEDT) processors, internally. Codenamed "Broadwell-E," the company's next Core i7 HEDT chips will be built in the existing LGA2011v3 package, and will be compatible with existing motherboards based on Intel's X99 Express chipset (with BIOS updates). Much like "Ivy Bridge-E" was to "Sandy Bridge-E," these chips will introduce only incremental updates, and nothing major, in terms of architecture.

To begin with, Core i7 "Broadwell-E" will be built in the 14 nanometer silicon fab process, and will feature 6 to 8 cores based on the "Broadwell" micro-architecture. These cores will be cushioned with up to 20 MB of L3 cache. The chip is pin-compatible to "Haswell-E," and so its I/O will be identical, featuring a quad-channel DDR4 integrated memory controller. One difference is that Intel may can the 28-lane PCIe approach with the entry-level part; or at least it doesn't find mention on the slide. If it's true, all parts based on this silicon, will feature 40-lane PCIe interfaces. The TDP of these chips will be rated at 140W. Intel is expected to launch the Core i7 "Broadwell-E" in 2016.

Source: VR-Zone
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59 Comments on Intel Core i7 "Broadwell-E" HEDT Chips Arrive in 2016

#1
ensabrenoir
Intel = Yeaah we run this. Curious to see what this shrink brings to the table.
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#2
GhostRyder
To be honest not much of a shocker on the release but its nice these will be supported on existing motherboards. I do highly doubt the 28 lane chip on the base will be dropped since its most likely going to be a 6 core option unless one of two things happen:

1: Price increase on the base chip
2: Base chip is the only 6 core in the lineup with the others becoming both 8 cores

That of course is only my speculation.
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#3
Octavean
GhostRyder said:
To be honest not much of a shocker on the release but its nice these will be supported on existing motherboards. I do highly doubt the 28 lane chip on the base will be dropped since its most likely going to be a 6 core option unless one of two things happen:

1: Price increase on the base chip
2: Base chip is the only 6 core in the lineup with the others becoming both 8 cores

That of course is only my speculation.
I would tend to agree with your assessment.

Past actions are the best indication of future actions IMO. The one thing that Intel has done "consistently" with the entry level HEDT processor offering throughout the generations is be "inconsistent".

For example:

Core i7 3820 - didn't receive the "K" designation and was often referred to as partially unlocked. while it had the 40 PCIe lanes it was only quad core and the other two Sandy Bridge-E processors were 6 cores.

Core i7 4820K - The Ivy Bridge-E entry level chip was much the same as the 3820 but this time presumably actually deserving of the "K" suffix and thus fully unlocked.

Core i7 5820K - Finally 6 core / 12 threads and fully unlocked but a somewhat truncated 28 PCIe lanes.

What is clear is that Intel wants to limit, impede or gimp the entry level processor in a significant way but they just seem undecided as to how to do it. So they keep experimenting with the variables.

I expect some change in the entry level Broadwell-E processor. Although it would be nice if they upped the PCIe limit to something like 32 lanes at least,....assuming they don't go for the full 40.
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#4
Sony Xperia S
Bad news, too late, 2016!

Why do they want to limit and why do they want to be late with these push-outs?
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#5
Dj-ElectriC
Becuase they're all alone in this market, and it's probably not going to change.
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#6
Sony Xperia S
Dj-ElectriC said:
Becuase they're all alone in this market
Wrong answer, they are NOT alone in the market. The customers decide what they will sell and if the customers decide to jump on their neck, they will find it much harder to capitalise on their greed and evil practices.

Depends on you, actually, on all of us!
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#7
Dj-ElectriC
It does, that's why today they are all alone.
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#8
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
You had me droolling until this:
btarunr said:
Intel is expected to launch the Core i7 "Broadwell-E" in 2016.


Am I reading that right that it has half the DIMMs (4 versus 8) compared to the Haswell-E chips? Why would they do that?
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#9
Dj-ElectriC
Where did it said that?
And 2016 is quire alright, Haswell-E doesn't deserve to be around for less than a year.
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#10
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
The charts show 4 channels with text saying 1 DIMM per channel. I hope that's a typo.
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#11
Octavean
FordGT90Concept said:
You had me droolling until this:


Am I reading that right that it has half the DIMMs (4 versus 8) compared to the Haswell-E chips? Why would they do that?
You are most likely misinterpreting the digram or info. Its quad channel support not 4 DIMM support. Broadwell-E will use the same X99 / LGA2011-3 motherboards available today with the same support for 8 DIMM slots.
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#12
Rojan
Well I hope the top-tier chip is actually a native octa-core and not a gimped 12 core Xeon.
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#13
Breit
If ASUS has come up with an Rampage V Extreme Black Edition by then, maybe I'll wait for Broadwell-E... ;) 2016 sounds reasonable (if it's not Q4-16).
I guess DRAM prices are also back to normal by then...
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#14
Breit
Rojan said:
Well I hope the top-tier chip is actually a native octa-core and not a gimped 12 core Xeon.
Are you saying the 5960X is a gimped 12-core chip? Where do you get that from?
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#15
RejZoR
Why you not give me Skylake!!!!11111
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#16
james888
Rojan said:
Well I hope the top-tier chip is actually a native octa-core and not a gimped 12 core Xeon.
How is that even relevant? Even if it had 4 cores gimped, it wouldn't matter.
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#17
TheinsanegamerN
Sony Xperia S said:
Wrong answer, they are NOT alone in the market. The customers decide what they will sell and if the customers decide to jump on their neck, they will find it much harder to capitalise on their greed and evil practices.

Depends on you, actually, on all of us!
AMD's last new fx processors came out 2 YEARS ago. the newest arch is only dual and quad core, no six core or eight core, none of the newer ones have l3 cache, and the old ones that do are obsolete and use chipsets that lack native support for newer interfaces, like pcie 3.0. AMD has NO products that compare to intels LGA2011 lineup, and, because of that, intel is in fact alone in this market, because an a10-7850k and a core i7 5820k are NOT in the same market.
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#18
Franzen4Real
Still 140w? I was hoping a drop to 14nm would reduce the power. Also, I see they state 2400mhz DDR4 whereas Haswell -E officially supports 2133, so a small bump up there.
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#19
Dj-ElectriC
Power will be reduced, and by quite a lot. Its all a matter of saving paper work
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#20
MxPhenom 216
Corsair Fanboy
My next chip and platform!

Franzen4Real said:
Still 140w? I was hoping a drop to 14nm would reduce the power. Also, I see they state 2400mhz DDR4 whereas Haswell -E officially supports 2133, so a small bump up there.
TDP != Power Consumption.

They always mention TDP, not necessarily power consumption.

TDP: Thermal Design Target.
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#21
Hilux SSRG
Sony Xperia S said:
Bad news, too late, 2016!

Why do they want to limit and why do they want to be late with these push-outs?
Amd's Zen is planned for a 2016 release. I would think Intel sees this "delay" as an opportunity to first sell more Haswell-E and second to release Broadwell-E as the top CPU and counter to whatever the Zen chip may bring.
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#22
Jizzler
FordGT90Concept said:
The charts show 4 channels with text saying 1 DIMM per channel. I hope that's a typo.
Context! One DIMM per channel at DDR4-2400 (officially) :)
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#23
Rojan
Breit said:
Are you saying the 5960X is a gimped 12-core chip? Where do you get that from?
Just look up a delidded 5960X, you'll see 12 modules.

james888 said:
How is that even relevant? Even if it had 4 cores gimped, it wouldn't matter.
True, true. But it's really shows how much Intel is holding back. Well, this not new or anything but still...
Wouldn't you be disappointed when 1/3 of your CPU does absolutely nothing and simply wasting space?
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#24
james888
Rojan said:

Wouldn't you be disappointed when 1/3 of your CPU does absolutely nothing and simply wasting space?
I would not be disappointed. It is a fact of life. I have a smart phone and I don't use 95% of its functionality. I could even argue the empty space within my home is wasted if I really felt like trying.
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#25
Sony Xperia S
james888 said:
It is a fact of life. I have a smart phone and I don't use 95% of its functionality.
If you are using 5% only of the functionality of your smartphone, then you are most probably quite stupid :D and neither deserve to own that phone nor you need it. :D

Hilux SSRG said:
Amd's Zen is planned for a 2016 release.
Now, with the good news that GloFo will have access to more resources regarding new technologies from IBM, then I am very optimistic that these 2016 babies from AMD will cause quite a lot of problems to the competition and will stir nicely the environment.
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