ATIonionargue what you want....thats apart of TPU, but remember when you read this stuff that its mostly opinions....to get all upset over a simple discussion is a waste...and it makes you look like a dick....

So that's all you could muster in response to my questions?

the riaa and mpaa allways quote lost revenues as if EVERY person who downloads/copies a movie album would have gone out and bought EVERY song/movie they have, whats more they work these amount out as a full retail price, in u.k. that would mean £19.99 a dvd or 15.99 a cd (even though most stores sell for much less than this). The fact is that in an 'ideal' world (no piracy) people would buy about 2/10 of what they get for free MAX

Also they're the recording industry assosiation of AMERICA, so what juristiction do they expect to get?, they should be pressing their government to hassle the russian gov into action

pttoo bad comunism isn't like that in real life, i would become one :D

Well that's the idea anyways :D

Gringsthe riaa and mpaa allways quote lost revenues as if EVERY person who downloads/copies a movie album would have gone out and bought EVERY song/movie they have, whats more they work these amount out as a full retail price, in u.k. that would mean £19.99 a dvd or 15.99 a cd (even though most stores sell for much less than this). The fact is that in an 'ideal' world (no piracy) people would buy about 2/10 of what they get for free MAX

Also they're the recording industry assosiation of AMERICA, so what juristiction do they expect to get?, they should be pressing their government to hassle the russian gov into action

So if there was absolutely NO WAY for these people to listen to the music they want to hear, other than purchasing from stores. You're telling me , they just wouldn't listen to music? :banghead: I don't believe for one second these people would not be buying them if they couldn't just download them for free.

lmao

hrm...well the russian govt is basically run by mobsters. their "riaa" equivalant is basically a group of thugs who demand cash from people making money off of other peoples work without permission. they are a long way from legit. then you have the real RIAA, a bunch of industry thugs using american govt force to push out fair trade use in its own country! ...the pot calls the kettle black.

No one ever brings up how these artists are the ones signing contracts with these industry labels. The labels aren't holding them at gunpoint, they aren't releasing their music without consent, they aren't stealing their music. The artists and their lawyers know full well what is happening and what is going to happen before they sign. Why don't they just start up their own private label and distribute? Because the money is in the LARGE labels. If artists never signed contracts, there would be no record labels.

Why do you think the fines per individual offense are so obscenely high? If they were some pidly amount, even MORE large pirate rings would start up. The benefits would outweigh the negatives. Have any of you actually seen these court cases settle on $150,000 per individual offense? Hell no, the court decides the final fine.

Stop carrying on about your rights to do this and that and this. You do NOT have a right to steal someone else's work, and you certainly don't care about the artists if you consider it.

overcastSo if there was absolutely NO WAY for these people to listen to the music they want to hear, other than purchasing from stores. You're telling me , they just wouldn't listen to music? :banghead: I don't believe for one second these people would not be buying them if they couldn't just download them for free.

i won't, and if i did it would be like a cd a year or something :ohwell:

overcastStop carrying on about your rights to do this and that and this. You do NOT have a right to steal someone else's work, and you certainly don't care about the artists if you consider it.

People haven't got a right to share music over the net, that is true - but the problem in this case that I'm considering is whether or not the fact that the company was obeying the Russian laws should mean it will get off lightly. I would consider it unfair if I was arrested by because of a Russian law that doesn't exist in the UK.

pti won't, and if i did it would be like a cd a year or something :ohwell:

Well you are in the minority. People love music, a library of 100's of CD's isn't exactly uncommon.

im just going to put this out there but are they going to shut down internet radio just cause you can copy the songs off them? (thats how i get mines)

Jimmy 2004People haven't got a right to share music over the net, that is true - but the problem in this case that I'm considering is whether or not the fact that the company was obeying the Russian laws should mean it will get off lightly. I would consider it unfair if I was arrested by because of a Russian law that doesn't exist in the UK.

I agree, the international law stuff is a mess. Obviously. However my discussion is more in regards to the user comments on the subject. The majority feels that somehow these labels are the wrongdoers, and they have some type of right to steal music from them. So their fines are astronomical, so what? Why would you care if you are legally purchasing the music.

overcastSo if there was absolutely NO WAY for these people to listen to the music they want to hear, other than purchasing from stores. You're telling me , they just wouldn't listen to music? :banghead: I don't believe for one second these people would not be buying them if they couldn't just download them for free.

no im saying people wouldnt have the thousands of films and albums they do have, for example one of my friends has about 9000 albums on his computer, when he probably hasnt earnt enough money in his life to buy that many cd's

Gringsno im saying people wouldnt have the thousands of films and albums they do have, for example one of my friends has about 9000 albums on his computer, when he probably hasnt earnt enough money in his life to buy that many cd's

Right, which means he should not have them. This is Capitalism.

hey i have an idea for the RIAA why dont you go over to russia and try to collect your money
:roll:

So much text so little time, guys, let me know if things get out of hand (or if people start insulting other people).

zekrahminatorSo much text so little time, guys, let me know if things get out of hand (or if people start insulting other people).

you smell bad :roll:
j/k

wtf??? RIAA seriously needs to get sued for monopoly. Trillion dollars = stupid. RIAA needs to die and learn to keep to their own country. They just want money its obvious.

The RIAA could pay for the Iraq war. Then all the hippies could stop b*tching.

TrackIf they couldnt make a profit off of it, they wouldnt be doing it.

I play drums at my church for free....

At .99 per song it isn't so bad. But what kills me is the "whole album only" purchases, if you like the two songs on this shit compilation, you must buy it all. It isn't like a movie, where you purchase something that you can rent first too see if you like it, or have a friend bring over to see if you like it.


It is like Talladega Nights, the only funny parts were on the previews, so why buy the movie?


Why can I not watch Cars with my son, on my projector through component video? Cause the MPAA are assholes. So why are we forced to rip the movie to watch thus constituting piracy. I paid for the expensive shit to watch the fing movie on, but can't.


It is dishonest on their part to make it so. Thus, I will not buy a movie that does me no good. I will rent and rip or find a torrent. Hell for the price of five movies I can buy another drive and store 50.


Their logic makes no sense, and yes they are thugs. Same gestapo shit that parts if Chicago put up with and probably still do. "We will protect you for a fee, and if you don't pay we fuck you up."


I am the consumer, I make the rules, cause I have the gold.

tkpenaltywtf??? RIAA seriously needs to get sued for monopoly. Trillion dollars = stupid. RIAA needs to die and learn to keep to their own country. They just want money its obvious.

You just don't get it. A monopoly suit? Monopoly on what exactly?

SteevoI am the consumer, I make the rules, cause I have the gold.

so true, and musicians gets most of their money in concerts not in selling cd's ;)

Hmmm

Well from what I understand piracy in Russia has gotten so bad the media companies release screener like region 5 movies over there just to compete with it. The US would never go that route though. I think it would be easier if they actually decided to stop overcharging for the movies but I have no idea. I know some friends that got letters from the MPAA. But alas, i am just here for the video card stuff so nevermind my comments. I just wanted to type something.

Fragmanppl in the US need to get a fucking life.

Because each and every person in the US is exactly like you see on your local media, right? Other countries criticize us for believing in our media too much because that's what their media told them. Hypocrites anyone?

SteevoAt .99 per song, it isn't so bad.

Yeah, but some people don't feel like paying $10,000+. Especially starving college students.