Wednesday, June 28th 2017

AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition Launched: Starting at $999

It's here. The Radeon Vega that's not for gamers, that is. After what seems like a year of waiting forward to AMD's next generation GPU architecture, so it has finally appeared. As we all knew was going to be the case, Vega's first foray in the market is geared at the more profitable professional sector of the market. The good news for professionals: the pricing is lower than previously reported. Instead of the expected $1,199 and $1,799 for an air cooled or water-cooled version of the card respectively, AMD is commanding a much less demanding price tag of $999 for the air cooled version (available now) and $1,499 for the water-cooled one (to be available in Q3.)

One thing that deserves to be placed before the break is a software feature of the new Vega Frontier Edition graphics cards: AMD has changed their driver scheme into a single-package installer (available in the source), with both the professional-geared drivers, and the gaming ones as well. This means that after all that Raja Koduri told us to wait for AMD's consumer, gaming-oriented RX Vega graphics cards, these will probably work just as well for gaming as for professional workloads.
Now if true, this is a great value proposal for professionals (and that's how AMD is marketing it anyway, with a better, more streamlined workflow between game design and game testing), but also for general users who also partake in some professional workloads on the side. You can now get the equivalent of an AMD FirePro and an AMD Radeon in one card, which I must say, completely changes the status quo for professionals between AMD and NVIDIA. I only expect this software feature to be available in AMD's pro-geared graphics cards, however; this increases the value proposition for professionals, while ensuring AMD still has a professional product line where it can grab greater profits. This is a professional graphics card with gaming abilities, not the other way around; and the distinction is extremely important. For would-be early adopters, though, this could be great: if you don't mind paying a premium for what will ultimately be a slightly less performant version of AMD's top tier RX Vega (which should ship with higher clocks), maybe the Frontier Edition is your front door to AMD's latest architecture. Just do yourself a favor and make sure to do some digging around for gaming benchmarks before you commit ten Benjamins for it. That said, the "Frontier" tag in the card probably means AMD looks to this offering as a stepping stone between their gaming and professional graphics cards, while also dipping its toes on compute workloads; AMD will certainly build up a more focused line-up with their RX Vega and Instinct accelerators. The Frontier Edition seems to be a Titan Xp equivalent, at least when it comes to its footing on the professional/non gaming market: and that's exactly the card AMD is pitting it against.
Final specifications of the pioneer-geared graphics card point to a 1382 MHz base/typical clock, and a much more impressive 1600 MHz peak/boost clock, which drive the GPU's 4096 stream processors and 64 ROPs. It remains to be seen if the change in nomenclature actually means something; "typical clock" sounds to me as opening the door for the card to sometimes drop its frequency below that level. Single precision performance is rated by AMD at 13.1 TFLOPS, with a not surprising half-precision 26.2 TFLOPS of computing power being on offer (these are higher than the estimated computing performance AMD shared on the announcement slides for the Frontier Edition, by the way.) Further, the Frontier Edition's HBM 2 memory (which is probably the culprit for the release delays as AMD built up inventory) ticks at 1.89 Gbps, which, paired with the 2048-bit bus width, results in a very respectable 483 GB/s memory bandwidth.
The 483 GB/s memory bandwidth is slightly lesser than the original HBM 1 powered Fury, which delivered a full 512 GB/s, but AMD has some other, less brute force, more finesse-based technologies to work with, like HBC (High Bandwidth Cache) and its HBCC (High Bandwidth Cache Controller) companion. There's 16 GB of HBM 2 memory present on the card, and typical board power should be < 300 W. As to connectors, we've got the usual staples here: 3x DisplayPort 1.4 and 1x HDMI (all on the first slot, so as to increase air flow, which 300 W TDP on a blower-style fan needs all it can get.)

It's here, folks. Now to wait until July/August to hear more about the RX versions of this GPU.Sources: AMD, AMD Drivers
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24 Comments on AMD Radeon Vega Frontier Edition Launched: Starting at $999

#2
bogami
Although they have now set a price of $ 1,000, this is $ 400 more than furyX. The abnormal price was so tactically given and supposedly blinded. We'll see how well it will prove . A little will be sold at this price. AMD has been lucrative with prices recently and is adjusting it to a bit below the price of competition. But everything is not as good as it displayed and it is a bad light on the relationship that it AMD has had until now to the customers. There are good changes, but they should remain faithful to buyers with a moderate price, and delays must not be constantly happening.
And if it's a class for professional use, the price is much better than the quadro offer, but all comparisons are performed with TITAN xp rather than the Q6000. Misleading. That is, 400$ for software and support .
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#3
Hugh Mungus
So rx vega IS here, just hidden in vega FE!

bogami said:
Although they have now set a price of $ 1,000, this is $ 400 more than furyX. The abnormal price was so tactically given and supposedly blinded. We'll see how well it will prove . A little will be sold at this price. AMD has been lucrative with prices recently and is adjusting it to a bit below the price of competition. But everything is not as good as it displayed and it is a bad light on the relationship that it AMD has had until now to the customers. There are good changes, but they should remain faithful to buyers with a moderate price, and delays must not be constantly happening.
Fury x is a gaming card. This is a prosumer card.
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#4
Shihabyooo
So, is this a professional card with driver flags to enable game optimizations, or a gaming card with toggles to disable said optimizations and go insane on AA?


Raevenlord said:
typical board power should be :love:00 W.
Is that heart power times zero or heart power times 100?
130watts sound low, imo, but 0's even lower...
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Raevenlord
News Editor
Shihabyooo said:
So, is this a professional card with driver flags to enable game optimizations, or a gaming card with toggles to disable said optimizations and go insane on AA?




Is that heart power times zero or heart power times 100?
130watts sound low, imo, but 0's even lower...
Naturally, depends on your own heart power, so it's a dynamic TDP that scales with your humanity =)

Edited, forum view converted that to emoji.
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#6
bogami
Hugh Mungus said:
So rx vega IS here, just hidden in vega FE!


Fury x is a gaming card. This is a prosumer card.
Prosumer card I do not know what it means at all? Is it like the quadro .
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#7
Hugh Mungus
bogami said:
Prosumer card I do not know what it means at all? Is it like the quadro .
Prosumers are general professionals that often work from home with their own company and might occasionally do some gaming.

Vega FE is kind of a quadro-fied Titan really, but with optional game drivers, so it's still a cheaper Titan competitor for gaming professionals. Titans are like quadros but with gaming drivers, btw. For some reason it seems pcworld didn't test enabling the game drivers I believe, so we don't know how well it can REALLY game (rx levels) or if nigh 1080 ti is all we're going to get. Exciting times for gamers as well as prosumers/normal pros!

MI25 is a quadro competitor, btw, and even a possible tesla competitor depending on what type of AI/server you have. I bet there will be a wx card at some point as well with some optimizations for more specific workstation applications, although for general professionals a vega FE is a great choice it seems.

The 999 dollar price tag is exciting since rx vega is likely going to be about half the price and it used to be 1199. Likely a 100 dollar saving for rx vega and water-colled 50 dollars if there's a 50% more expensive rx vega with water-cooling. 499 and 749 air/water would be my guess. 500-550/750-850 air/water in Holland, which is either 250-300 euros cheaper than basic 1080 ti's, or about the same price as an average 1080 ti, but with water cooling. AIB's 500-650 for air hopefully! At the very least, 1080 ti prices should drop slightly, so even vega haters will have something to be AMD thankful for.
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#8
PowerPC
The real question for most people who will buy this, is how well does it mine?
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#9
Hugh Mungus
PowerPC said:
The real question for most people who will buy this, is how well does it mine?
AMD should add a mining detector in the drivers and automatically send the gpu into a infinite loop of calculations and set it to max speed, so it uses a LOT of power and doesn't mine for sh*t!
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#10
B-Real
PowerPC said:
The real question for most people who will buy this, is how well does it mine?
The real question is: who bought-buys a Titan X for 200$ more?
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#11
DarkHill
B-Real said:
The real question is: who bought-buys a Titan X for 200$ more?
yes because press slides from the AMD marketing department has a history of being precise :D

note that this time they even type estimated on the performance graph slides.
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#12
Prima.Vera
Which Quadro version is this comparable too?

And we wants some Catia, 3D Studio, Maya, Solid Works, Adobe Photoshop/Premiere comparison tests please TPU.
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#13
Hugh Mungus
Prima.Vera said:
Which Quadro version is this comparable too?

And we wants some Catia, 3D Studio, Maya, Solid Works, Adobe Photoshop/Premiere comparison tests please TPU.
Really depends on your usecase. Anything from a p4000 to a gp100/p6000 and in exceptional circumstances even a p2000 may be better. For general use it should be comparable to a gp100/p6000. For specialized stuff there's likely going to be a wx card at some point. The Frontier Edition is a jack of all trades on workstation and gaming fronts. Great for prosumers, not so great for huge corporations, certain server/AI tasks, etc. Even the MI25 is missing a few AI features, but AMD has got most of the professional market covered at least.
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#15
KainXS
This is one of the weirdest GPU launches I can remember, AMD did not even send out samples. Its not a FirePro or RadeonPro or Radeon(not really). You can't compare it to anything either because when you compare it to a proper Quadro it loses at at Pro tasks(and lacks fast DP) and AMD says its not a gaming card(Yet compared it to a TitanXp). AMD has been extremely ambiguous about this card so far.
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#16
Prima.Vera
KainXS said:
You can't compare it to anything either
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#19
B-Real
DarkHill said:
yes because press slides from the AMD marketing department has a history of being precise :D

note that this time they even type estimated on the performance graph slides.
Just link a press slide which wasn't true (was a lie). I am really curious.
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#20
yotano211
Hugh Mungus said:
AMD should add a mining detector in the drivers and automatically send the gpu into a infinite loop of calculations and set it to max speed, so it uses a LOT of power and doesn't mine for sh*t!
A bit jealous to those that mine with gpu's?
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#21
Hugh Mungus
yotano211 said:
A bit jealous to those that mine with gpu's?
I have a proper education to get a proper job, so I can be useful to society. I'm proud to be a good citizen, not some lazy guy letting a computer make me my money.
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#22
riffraffy
So now if I purchase a GPU at $1G I need to be in the right class or type for what I want to do? If you want to crunch numbers , play games , or watch porn $1000 should do all without a hiccup . Who's gaming who. Sexy looking card thought would not mine having one .
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#23
bogmali
Lots of troll post, they will be deleted here shortly and you might earn some "vacation prices" if you continue to do so ;)
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#24
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
Hugh Mungus said:
I have a proper education to get a proper job, so I can be useful to society. I'm proud to be a good citizen, not some lazy guy letting a computer make me my money.
You can let them mine while you work you know.
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