Monday, September 11th 2017

Intel Core "Coffee Lake" Germany Prices Revealed - Price Increases Marginal

Prices of 8th generation Intel Core "Coffee Lake" desktop processors are expected to be higher than their 7th generation "Kaby Lake" counterparts, owing to increased core counts and L3 cache, but the price increases don't scale linearly. According to prices leaked by German online retailer LambdaTek, the prices increases are noticeable, although marginal.

The flagship Core i7-8700K is priced at 389€ (including VAT), followed by the i7-8700 at 327€. On the same store, the current i7-7700K is priced at 349€, and the i7-7700 (non-K) at 313€. The new Core i5-8600K is priced at 273€, and the i5-8400 at 192€. Here, too, the price increases between generations is only marginal, given that the Core i5-7600K is priced at 236€, and the i5-7400 at 182€.
The quad-core Core i3-8350K is priced nearly on-par with the six-core i5-8400, at 188€, which is higher than the 164€ commanded by the i3-7350K dual-core chip (you get double the cores and L3 cache). The Core i3-8100 quad-core is the most affordable of the lot, priced at 123€, which again, is only marginally higher than the 119€ the Core i3-7100 dual-core chip asks. These prices bode particularly well for these chips' pricing in the US, and will lock Intel into a price-war with AMD and its highly competitive Ryzen processors.
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20 Comments on Intel Core "Coffee Lake" Germany Prices Revealed - Price Increases Marginal

#1
Xpect
I'm German and I've never heard of LambdaTek. Also, that website with it's "Award" there seems suspicious.

Especially, since we in Germany always have the prices noted including sales tax. And even if we don't (for B2B transactions) we don't call that stuff "VAT". The German word for our ales tax is "Mehrwertsteuer" or in short "MwSt." when given next to prices not including it.

Even the "About us" page in German looks like the typical translated "Engrish" as in, bad syntax, mising words, wrong grammar. All of that NOT stuff you would want to see in any reputable online store. At least we Germans would have shunned that shop long ago.
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#2
gdallsk
Xpect said:
I'm German and I've never heard of LambdaTek. Also, that website with it's "Award" there seems suspicious.

Especially, since we in Germany always have the prices noted including sales tax. And even if we don't (for B2B transactions) we don't call that stuff "VAT". The German word for our ales tax is "Mehrwertsteuer" or in short "MwSt." when given next to prices not including it.

Even the "About us" page in German looks like the typical translated "Engrish" as in, bad syntax, mising words, wrong grammar. All of that NOT stuff you would want to see in any reputable online store. At least we Germans would have shunned that shop long ago.
It's a UK based e-tailer that tried to get some customer base from other European countries. I've never bought anything from them, and they're not that price competitive either.
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#3
Evildead666
I think LambdaTek is an Ebay or Amazon shop or something.
Thats probably where they get the "translation" from ;)

I was just looking for some headphones for my phone, and it was one of the shops in the Google Shopping "list" of sites.

There were much better, and more trustworthy sites available, so I went with a different site.
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#4
vega22
Xpect said:
I'm German and I've never heard of LambdaTek. Also, that website with it's "Award" there seems suspicious.

Especially, since we in Germany always have the prices noted including sales tax. And even if we don't (for B2B transactions) we don't call that stuff "VAT". The German word for our ales tax is "Mehrwertsteuer" or in short "MwSt." when given next to prices not including it.

Even the "About us" page in German looks like the typical translated "Engrish" as in, bad syntax, mising words, wrong grammar. All of that NOT stuff you would want to see in any reputable online store. At least we Germans would have shunned that shop long ago.
uk based company, i guess it makes some sense but their english pages aint great either xD
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#5
bug
Idk, the top of the line i5 Sandy Bridge (the trusty old 2500k) launched at a tad over $200. Now it's a tad under $300. You do get two more cores, but the price for i5 has increased significantly. Idk how $200 back then translates into today money though.
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#6
RejZoR
Xpect said:
I'm German and I've never heard of LambdaTek. Also, that website with it's "Award" there seems suspicious.

Especially, since we in Germany always have the prices noted including sales tax. And even if we don't (for B2B transactions) we don't call that stuff "VAT". The German word for our ales tax is "Mehrwertsteuer" or in short "MwSt." when given next to prices not including it.

Even the "About us" page in German looks like the typical translated "Engrish" as in, bad syntax, mising words, wrong grammar. All of that NOT stuff you would want to see in any reputable online store. At least we Germans would have shunned that shop long ago.
They are often listed on Geizhals which you probably do know...
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#7
Deeveo
If those are actual launch prices then they are pretty normal for what you pay in €. 6700k/7700k were similar prices at launch and 6700k even higher after launch for a while due to limited availability.
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#8
RejZoR
6700k availability was awful back then. It was so bad that price increase made 5820K more affordable option and you got more cores and more threads.
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#9
Xpect
RejZoR said:
They are often listed on Geizhals which you probably do know...
Yes, yes I do. But even there I have never seen them. Or they are just really small/not competitive and thus I just did overlook them.
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Imsochobo
bug said:
Idk, the top of the line i5 Sandy Bridge (the trusty old 2500k) launched at a tad over $200. Now it's a tad under $300. You do get two more cores, but the price for i5 has increased significantly. Idk how $200 back then translates into today money though.
we're comparing 32nm to 14nm.
It's safe to assume the die size have decreased by 50% safely and the inflation is at around 10 dollars.
Yes, they've gotten more expensive for the same target audience.
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#11
RejZoR
Xpect said:
Yes, yes I do. But even there I have never seen them. Or they are just really small/not competitive and thus I just did overlook them.
They don't have the lowest prices, so if you sort stores by price, it's likely they weren't in your view. But they are relatively large in UK.
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#12
bug
Imsochobo said:
we're comparing 32nm to 14nm.
It's safe to assume the die size have decreased by 50% safely and the inflation is at around 10 dollars.
Yes, they've gotten more expensive for the same target audience.
Actually, between Sandy Bridge and Kaby Lake, the die only shrunk for like 10%. Thanks to the inclusion of the IGP. The CPU part is probably half the size of Sandy Bridge though.
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#13
Frick
Fishfaced Nincompoop
The K i3s have always been too expensive, but compared to the old unlocked i5s it's decent I guess. But it's still to close to the hexacores imo. The base i3 is good though. Should be quicker than the R3 1200/1300.
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#14
the54thvoid
LambdaTek are price agnostic on some products. I've bought from them a few times, normally when I've noticed they got upcoming prices too low. I once bought a mouse £20 under normal retail and then found it a few days later with it's price corrected.

They're not dodgy but this price leak isn't any reflection at all on what the standard costs will likely be.
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#15
jabbadap
Not sure how one can say price have been increased, when products are not even out yet. I.E. i7 7700k were 399€ in etailer shops on germany at launch. Where it then dropped quite quickly to 370€ and the price went downhill since then. If i7 8700k is really 389€ at launch, it would be cheaper than what kaby was. But of course final price will be upon us when the processor is actually released. All rumors indicates that coffee lake processors will not be much different priced than it's predecessor kaby lake S processors were.
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#16
john_
Price increases and a new mobo. Gamers will go for the 8700K, I really don't know why someone would choose the 8700 at that price. Especially considering the cost of the 7800X. 8600K is pointless at that price also, in my opinion, 8400 will sell very well.

Price increases for 8600K and 8700K are far from marginal. That "K" just got a huge raise in both cases.
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#17
Vayra86
390 while reasonable for 6c/12t is not a marginal increase for an i7. It is a price point to make you forget a Ryzen 7. Not a Ryzen 5 though, that one still super competitive I think.

As far as credibility goes, this does sound very realistic to me. The i7 7700k was just an overinflated, hot headed piece of crap let's be very brutally honest. 'I need a delid to outperform 2 year old designs' - ridiculous.
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jabbadap
esrever said:
That's completely wrong. Sandy Bridge 214mm^2, Sky Lake (Kaby Lake is almost the same) is 122mm^2 even including graphics.

If you go by price/mm^2 of silicon for 4 core i7s, the Sandy Bridge is half the price of the Sky Lake for the same silicon area.
Uhm, no. 32nm price/mm² is not the same as 14nm price/mm², former packs more transistors/mm². Sure the half sized slap of silicon only cost the half, but that is the minor thing for overall semiconductor manufacturing costs.
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#20
bug
esrever said:
That's completely wrong. Sandy Bridge 214mm^2, Sky Lake (Kaby Lake is almost the same) is 122mm^2 even including graphics.

If you go by price/mm^2 of silicon for 4 core i7s, the Sandy Bridge is half the price of the Sky Lake for the same silicon area.
It would seem you are ri
esrever said:
That's completely wrong. Sandy Bridge 214mm^2, Sky Lake (Kaby Lake is almost the same) is 122mm^2 even including graphics.

If you go by price/mm^2 of silicon for 4 core i7s, the Sandy Bridge is half the price of the Sky Lake for the same silicon area.
You're right, I don't know where I got the initial numbers from. My bad.
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