R-T-BNVIDIA runs them fine somehow...

Also, this post is missing a negative near the break...

Yes, and so do the previous AMD drivers. nVidia users often have to resort to older drivers to play older games. Nothing new there.

JismBullshit.

AMD is not forced to update their latest *new* drivers for games dating back from 2007 or even older. I mean, you could still install a previous driver and hapilly play the game. The adrenaline update is for latest games, cards and all. AMD is right. Why 'waste' valuable engineering resources into drivers for older games? It's just 5.

If you think that's bullshit go ahead, the fact that people still plays DX9 games stays tho, if you open steam stats, you'll find out that several of the most played games top10/20 are still on DX9, like Team Fortress 2 for example, i mean i could understand if they completely removed DX8 or older, and stopped supporting DX9, but breaking DX9 has no sense at all. Aside from this i hope i'm wrong, but that's just the feeling i'm getting, they've been tripping way too much lately, and many times they didn't even excuse or give official statements.

oxidizedIf you think that's bullshit go ahead, the fact that people still plays DX9 games stays tho, if you open steam stats, you'll find out that several of the most played games top10/20 are still on DX9, like Team Fortress 2 for example, i mean i could understand if they completely removed DX8 or older, and stopped supporting DX9, but breaking DX9 has no sense at all. Aside from this i hope i'm wrong, but that's just the feeling i'm getting, they've been tripping way too much lately, and many times they didn't even excuse or give official statements.

Except it’s not “breaking” DX9 it’s just borking half a dozen games, some a decade old. Mountain out of molehill. With the negative press it’s generated I’m sure it will be fixed. They really don’t have too much choice considering the “outrage”...

....This is one of the worst things I have ever read from AMD lol.

OneMoarbuy a older gpu

We are not console gamers here. We are PC Gamers.

OneMoarbut there is no problem
No your 10 year old games not working is Not a problem its time, time moves on

My 10 year old games are better than new games.

OneMoarthe only way to get rid of the cancer that is DX9 is to cut it out and irradiate the area

if that means a dozen or so crappy games written by people too stupid to use a modern API die

so be it nothing of value was lost

the solution is assuredly not to continue supporting a fundamentally broken and inferior api because, of a few abandoned games and devs that should know better that will just lead right back to this situation down the road

dust off a 750ti or 7870 and get over it or copy the dx dll files needed,pension the game studio to fix there shit or buckle down and write a d3d9 to 11 wrapper

I am sorry it can't stay 2008 forever progress sometimes sucks
edit: dlls are here mega.nz/#F!8tlAhDyQ!2AkAQukJKAYuIWEzDTGtFA!IslFkTSL
peace=out

Lol. Do you seriously think there is any real gameplay or storytelling progress? All that new games have over old ones... is graphics. Nothing more, nothing less. When it comes down to what actually matters there are DX9 and 10 titles that curbstomp the games of the past year with ease.

To think I would see Hardware Enthusiasts and PC Gamers act like Console fans... disrespecting old games... 2018 is sure starting off well lol

anubis44Yes, and so do the previous AMD drivers. nVidia users often have to resort to older drivers to play older games. Nothing new there.

As I later noted, that is true but usually only temporarily and usually ironically, only for cutting edge titles.

What's new is the outright apparent denial that it needs to be fixed.

Old "2007 games"? We're not on consoles.
These are PCs, and are expected to be able to run also 20 years ago games.
AMD has no excuse!

You are either ignorant, stupid or just stubborn, the fix is already available, revert to Crimson Relive, LOL
Why tf you always need to be on latest drivers? Think you gain something?

cdawallMining is going that route as well. Nvidia cards are so much user friendly.

Until you want to game at 144Hz on it. And be crazy enough to enable DSR. Or be an absolute madman and expect Fast V-Sync/Adaptive V-Sync actually work without being all screwed up...

yeeeemanYou are either ignorant, stupid or just stubborn, the fix is already available, revert to Crimson Relive, LOL
Why tf you always need to be on latest drivers? Think you gain something?

Where have you been? We are well into W10 era. There comes a point that rolling back is not possible (a concept that non-pro version users don't even have, especially average users). That's not a solution. That is only a temporary workaround.

hmm this thread is still alive ? 160 Posts for old DX9 Games! lol

behrouzhmm this thread is still alive ? 160 Posts for old DX9 Games! lol

You missed the point somewhere. Please brush up on reading comprehension, because that is not the issue.

This thread is like someone opened up a can of angry and dumped it out on the floor. :(

I saw somewhere that Skyrim was broken as well, but that can't be right.

I'm just glad my sister is on an old HD7850 cause she plays lots of older games. Not the games initially reported on, but still. I want to know how deep and wide the problem is, for funsies.

dicktracyAMD is a CPU-first company. It's no doubt that their Radeon department is severely starved in resource. It also makes sense why Raja left that ship ASAP because AMD's main goal is to bring back their CPUs to former glory over developing a superior graphics solution. Sad thing for us enthusiasts is that they're going to hold Radeon hostage while their competitiveness against Nvidia diminishes every year.

This this the same funkin excuse people say in every thread where AMD is blowing chunks somehow. If they are so starved for resources, just sell the graphics division already. If you are not willing to spend money to make money, sell it to someone else that will put the R&D and marketing money in.

Romulus2K4There is a large amount of retarded AMD fanboys out there who are coming to AMD's defense with excuses like "This is 2018, move along, quit crying" etc. which I believe is pathetic. This doesn't help consumers of AMD products, what this does is force them to switch over to the green side, and never look back again.

This can not be a legit excuse for not supporting older software. And even when DX9 was current-gen, AMD's support at launch for plenty of games were shaky, and there are countless games that still run with sub-par performance to this date, like ARMA 3.

After paying for the product, it's not the end user's headache that AMD's card has terrible performance due to another brand's meddling middleware (when applicable) in gaming titles. And some developers made it obvious that AMD (which back then was ATi) wasn't very cooperative. And now, they are telling people that the software/games they own isn't worth the effort to be made playable? From the open-source-good-guy, AMD has suddenly become the bait and switch company.

Take Vega Frontier Edition, for instance. A card, that was specifically aimed at "Graphical Computing" is now being touted as the "Blockchain Pioneer" in a matter of months. Steve over at GamersNexus can tell you more about that, or Linus.

I can personally say that the one time I owned an AMD card, it refused to work on some obscure Japanese game that was like 2 years old. My next nVidia card, I tried firing up the game and it worked just fine. After that I said I would never buy another AMD card even if they were better performing.

anubis44Yes, and so do the previous AMD drivers. nVidia users often have to resort to older drivers to play older games. Nothing new there.

ManofGodLooks to me like Microsoft's way of doing it is working much better than OpenGL. The Direct X performance is typically better than OpenGL and more robust to boot.



Until it doesn't or you have to install a different driver just to get one game to work.

You can really tell who the long time AMD users are. :roll: Using different drivers.....

When was the last time nvidia users had to do this? Please cite me a source for this rather then spreading FUD. I can say, as a nvidia user since the geforce 4 MX 400, that it has been a very, very long time since nvidia users have had to regularly do this. The last time I did that was the....9000 series I think? And that issue was fixed relatively quickly. Occasionally a new driver will break something really old, but said issue is usually patched by nvidia with the next release.

Meanwhile, AMD let this PR nightmare build, and has yet to respond officially as internet outrage lights up. DX9, despite what SOME PEOPLE on this forum say, is still used on some newer games, ignoring that a massive portion of the PC gaming library still uses it. If AMD's attitude to DX9 is "screw it, its old" it wont be long until many AMD users are forced to go nvidia or stick with 400/500 or older cards, at least until such old drivers are not compatible with the current version of windows 10.

AMD has long suffered from bad PR on top of technical incompetence, but this is a bit of a gut blow. It's already bad enough that you cant buy their hardware almost anywhere, and that they have delivered the market to nvidia on a silver platter for a second time in a row, but now this issue pops up. It's just another black eye to AMD's now permanetly bruised face.

And for all the AMD 'fans' here white knighting them, if you want a huge chunk of your game library to be made unplayable, go buy a console. PC gamers expect their older software to continue working with newer OS/drivers, that is a pillar of the PC gaming community, and has been for decades. If AMD wants to limit themselves to low margin console sales, so be it. Not to mention, many current MMOs, FTP games, and competitive games are still DX9. These games are typically played with lower end hardware, where AMD typically dominates. AMD could easily be telegraphing these people 'go buy nvidia, you are not coin miners' to one of the few markets they still compete in.

This sucks big time.

Imagine a rocky island in sea.

AMD's CPU division is flying over it, on an airplane.
AMD's GPU divition is going strait to it, with a submarine. No chance of survival.

GasarakiThis this the same funkin excuse people say in every thread where AMD is blowing chunks somehow. If they are so starved for resources, just sell the graphics division already. If you are not willing to spend money to make money, sell it to someone else that will put the R&D and marketing money in.

Well, you pretty much answered your own question there. They are willing to spend money to make money but they have a limited budget. They have nowhere near the budget of Intel and Nvidia combined to compete with both at the same time. They can't sell RTG and continue in business with future APUs and console contracts. Who would buy RTG at this point anyway. Like it or not everyone including Intel and Nvidia need AMD to exist......but only barely.

john_This sucks big time.

Imagine a rocky island in sea.

AMD's CPU division is flying over it, on an airplane.
AMD's GPU divition is going strait to it, with a submarine. No chance of survival.

To complete the analogy, imagine both were tied together with indestructible rope. AMD invests a ton in R+D into RTG, and needs RTG tech for their APU and console/custom sales to survive. If that sub sinks too far, it will pull the plane into the rocks as well.

R-T-BI don't consider playing old games a minor audience, really. There may be less cashflow though.

Good point. Classic gaming is a substantial market, one that I partake in. My point was that the games in question represent a small portion of that market.

evernessinceI think you mean "also an opinion shared by major review outlets" . I could care less what everyone thinks, it's the facts that matter. Vega and Fury X were bad cards, almost as bad as bulldozer was for AMD. Both Vega and the Fury X have made it onto "Most disappointing Tech of the Year" lists.

Also, given AMD's marketshare, I'm pretty sure a majority of PC enthusiasts agree with me.

More nonobjective opinions not supported by known facts and reality. But that's the great thing about a free world, anyone is free to have and express any notion they wish, regardless of how uninformed it is..

RejZoRUntil you want to game at 144Hz on it. And be crazy enough to enable DSR. Or be an absolute madman and expect Fast V-Sync/Adaptive V-Sync actually work without being all screwed up...

I actually had a 144hz Asus rog 3440x1440p plugged into 3 maxwell cards running sli for a very long time. Never once did I have issues...that was with gsync running.

Meanwhile the list of affected Games is getting longer and longer.

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TheDeeGeeMeanwhile the list of affected Games is getting longer and longer.

Amd/comments/7ncr3y

Some people can get these games running regardless with Adrenalin drivers. This does not mean that there is not a problem! We don't currently know why it works for some and not for others.

So tons of unknowns then.. If you have a problem with a game you play, roll your drivers back to 17.12.1 or even 17.11.4. Problem solved.

lexluthermiesterSo tons of unknowns then.. If you have a problem with a game you play, roll your drivers back to 17.12.1 or even 17.11.4. Problem solved.

Until patch Wednesday hits and 17.12.2 is pushed on everyone with a gcn gpu.

PAYDAY 2 doesn't belong on that list. The game got lots of content lately and they haven't bothered to fix the crashing bugs in it. It was doing it before Adrenaline released. Overkill has been silent on them even though threads have been pouring out over them.

You can stop fighting now folks, a fix is in the works :toast::


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