Thursday, February 9th 2017

Microsoft Office 2019 Will Run on Windows 10, and Only Windows 10

As reported yesterday, Microsoft changed the way how they license Windows 10 to their OEM partners. But buckle in folks, the changes just keep on coming. In what looks like an effort to push Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 owners to upgrade, Microsoft has officially announced that Office 2019 will only work on machines with Windows 10 and the next LTSC release of Windows Server. That's only the tip of the iceberg though. Unlike previous version of Office that came with 10 years of support, Office 2019's support lifecycle is shortened to five years of mainstream support and two years of extended support. Additionally, the client applications are only available with a Click-to-Run installer. However, Microsoft will continue to provide a MSI installer for the server applications.
Source: Microsoft
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85 Comments on Microsoft Office 2019 Will Run on Windows 10, and Only Windows 10

#51
Vayra86
T4C Fantasy said:
Windows for desktop and laptop is 82.7% they wont lose anything, anytime soon, the mobile phone market is no contest andriod will win that.
Look here. Quite interesting to see this movement across one year only. These markets are linked, people have their screen time per day, they don't use both 'more'. Now factor in hardware prices for desktop have gone up, and the average price for a decent mid range phone is stabilizing at 200-300 eur/$. That's a choice between two sticks of 8GB / a crappy plastic laptop that barely runs, or a fully featured phone + OS.

https://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options={"filter":{"$and":[{"deviceType":{"$in":["Desktop/laptop","Mobile"]}}]},"dateLabel":"Trend","attributes":"share","group":"platform","sort":{"share":-1},"id":"platformsDesktop","dateInterval":"Monthly","dateStart":"2017-02","dateEnd":"2018-01","segments":"-1000"}

In the end, this is what MS is trying to combat with W10 / One Windows / Continuum and all that other desperate stuff. The fact is, they're already way too late.
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#52
ZeDestructor
Vayra86 said:
Look here. Quite interesting to see this movement across one year only. These markets are linked, people have their screen time per day, they don't use both 'more'. Now factor in hardware prices for desktop have gone up, and the average price for a decent mid range phone is stabilizing at 200-300 eur/$. That's a choice between two sticks of 8GB / a crappy plastic laptop that barely runs, or a fully featured phone + OS.

https://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options={"filter":{"$and":[{"deviceType":{"$in":["Desktop/laptop","Mobile"]}}]},"dateLabel":"Trend","attributes":"share","group":"platform","sort":{"share":-1},"id":"platformsDesktop","dateInterval":"Monthly","dateStart":"2017-02","dateEnd":"2018-01","segments":"-1000"}

In the end, this is what MS is trying to combat with W10 / One Windows / Continuum and all that other desperate stuff. The fact is, they're already way too late.
Up until the point when they finally realize just how crap a touchscreen is for anything but media consumption. Then they go hunting for a $200-300 laptopp, buy it, decide it's crap and bitch about it.
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#53
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
Vayra86 said:
Look here. Quite interesting to see this movement across one year only. These markets are linked, people have their screen time per day, they don't use both 'more'. Now factor in hardware prices for desktop have gone up, and the average price for a decent mid range phone is stabilizing at 200-300 eur/$. That's a choice between two sticks of 8GB / a crappy plastic laptop that barely runs, or a fully featured phone + OS.

https://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options={"filter":{"$and":[{"deviceType":{"$in":["Desktop/laptop","Mobile"]}}]},"dateLabel":"Trend","attributes":"share","group":"platform","sort":{"share":-1},"id":"platformsDesktop","dateInterval":"Monthly","dateStart":"2017-02","dateEnd":"2018-01","segments":"-1000"}

In the end, this is what MS is trying to combat with W10 / One Windows / Continuum and all that other desperate stuff. The fact is, they're already way too late.
Like I said this doesnt affect gamers no one is uninstalling windows for andriod, a phone isnt better than a pc either and because of ppl needing powerful programs with a bigger screen and needing a mouse and keyboard windows will never be irrelevant. As far as market share, more people have phones than pcs because they need a phone, the os isnt more relevant the phone is.
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#54
ZeDestructor
T4C Fantasy said:
Like I said this doesnt affect gamers no one is uninstalling windows for andriod, a phone isnt better than a pc either and because of ppl needing powerful programs with a bigger screen and needing a mouse and keyboard windows will never be irrelevant. As far as market share, more people have phones than pcs because they need a phone, the os isnt more relevant the phone is.
Or rather, people don't work at home, usually, and if they do, they have a work-supplied machine. If you don't have to do any work at home, using a tablet or just a phone is perfectly viable (if a bit annoying at times for email and such).

For gamers, tinkerers and other home power users, Windows will stay for a very long time.
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#55
close
Vayra86 said:
hardware prices for desktop have gone up, and the average price for a decent mid range phone is stabilizing at 200-300 eur/$. That's a choice between two sticks of 8GB / a crappy plastic laptop that barely runs, or a fully featured phone + OS.
The way you are portraying the situation is a little absurd. A 200-300E/$ phone is a "fully featured phone" but a 300-400E/$ laptop "barely runs"? For 250E/$ you get a mediocre phone that's good for light browsing, facebooking, instagraming, or youtubing. Even the cheapest laptop or tablet can do better than that. People don't buy 200E phones because they dream of the wonderful experience they offer. Heck, more complex work is a chore even on a high end phone, let alone a 200E one.

NetMarketShare data just tells you how people browse the section of internet they are monitoring or trends for internet usage. And the phone gives you full-time browsing: on the bus, in the elevator, while driving, in the shitter, etc. So if your life revolves around web browsing then you're good. But what about trends for anything else? What do you do when you need some productivity? Where do you go if you want to edit a 20 page document, let alone more complex tasks? The "barely runs" laptop or the "fully featured" phone?

The statistics will keep going up because data plans become cheaper and people use them to browse even more, not because the phone is some miracle device that does everything well.
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#56
evernessince
lexluthermiester said:
But when we factor in that fewer people are using desktops and laptops in favor of tablets, phablets and phones, that number is dropping at a steady rate in relation to total computing devices in the world. More people are using mobile devices than traditional PC's. Fewer and fewer people want Windows machines. For many of those people it's because Microsoft took Windows in directions no one wanted to follow. It's depressing.
This statement is just not true. Both the phone and Tablet market has already stagnated. Shipments are even or dropping. In addition, there are Windows tablets like the Surface and smaller models.
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#57
FordGT90Concept
"I go fast!1!11!1!"
A lot of businesses aren't going to be buying it then because they're still deploying Windows 7 machines.
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#58
lexluthermiester
T4C Fantasy said:
that doesnt effect gamers though should be (windows master race)
That's another fair point. However, the Android and iOS market as a gaming platform are fairly robust. Mostly casual gaming stuff, but there has been steady progress to appeal to the more serious gaming audience.
evernessince said:
This statement is just not true. Both the phone and Tablet market has already stagnated.
Actually, you are incorrect. According to this(and many other stat gathering websites);
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2017
Then look at these;
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2016
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2015
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2014
For the last four years Windows has been on a steady decline and Android on a steady incline. In March of 2017 Android became the dominant OS. They traded places very briefly in Nov of 2017, but the trend has resumed.
It is likely to continue and Windows may very well become irrelevant on many levels before the end of the decade.
Office 2019 only supporting Win10 may become a non-issue during and after it's release.
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#59
T4C Fantasy
CPU & GPU DB Maintainer
lexluthermiester said:
That's another fair point. However, the Android and iOS market as a gaming platform are fairly robust. Mostly casual gaming stuff, but there has been steady progress to appeal to the more serious gaming audience.

Actually, you are incorrect. According to this(and many other stat gathering websites);
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2017
Then look at these;
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2016
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2015
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2014
For the last four years Windows has been on a steady decline and Android on a steady incline. In March of 2017 Android became the dominant OS. They traded places very briefly in Nov of 2017, but the trend has resumed.
It is likely to continue and Windows may very well become irrelevant on many levels before the end of the decade.
Office 2019 only supporting Win10 may become a non-issue during and after it's release.
Windows will never be irrelevant due to the fact a phone cant replace a pc in so many things, such as real gaming on a steam platform which is not declining and anything literally anything that requires mouse precision and businesses needing the speed of typing on a keyboard will andriod beat desktops or laptops in, the future is probably those laptops that turn into tablets.. And they will be on windows lol, because windows does business best, does gaming best and has more features andriod cant replace it.
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#60
TheinsanegamerN
ZeDestructor said:
Or you could just get Office365 like most of us home/SMB MSOffice users. 100USD/year gets you 5 desktop licenses, 5 mobile (Android/iOS) licenses and 1TB of OneDrive. In my case, just licensing MSOffice for my 4 machines works out cheaper using O365 than buying any form of lifetime license, and I get to always be on the latest version (or any other supported version, in case I need a downgrade).
Or, you could save $100 a year, use libre/openoffice, and use google drive to share documents without paying a penny.

No office program is worth $100 a year.

close said:
Why to go through the effort to hate (and let anyone know about it) a product when you can simply move to something that fits your needs or possibilities? Do you do this with every software you wouldn't want to use, or is this actually only about MS?

On topic, Windows 7 support ends in January 2020. Windows 8.1 support ends in January 2023 (but it's also used by 10 or 12 people around the globe). Does it make sense to launch a new Office version to target OSes going out of support so soon? Apple, Google, Microsoft, and others all do this with big product launches. They look to synchronize support schedules so they don't end up spending (and charging you) 10 times more to support old platforms with missing features. You expect the software (especially from Microsoft) to always be bleeding edge and secure, but somehow run on outdated, out of support, and insecure platforms. And be dirt cheap. Or free. And you're surprised that a business is looking for profit. Are you giving away your work for free every day?

Do you complain manufacturers don't support you with putting 2018 tech in a 2009 car. Or put in a 4K panel into your 10 year old TV. Or run today's apps on an iPhone 4. Or run 32bit apps in iOS 11, and in MacOS starting June 2018. Or run Chrome browser on a Windows Vista. Or run this year's Android on last year's phone. Or put an NVMe SSD into your 7 year old laptop.

Looks to me like you're willing to accept and justify these limitations for everybody but MS. Which means it's not an actual problem, it's just your personal grudge with one company.
there are 2 classes that make up the majority of people who bother paying for officeL businesses and older folks who dont know about anything other then office, but still buy the newest as opposed to still using 2003.

Both groups still have a large number of 7 machines, and will not upgrade until they absolutely have to. Until businesses move to 10, sales will be low.
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#61
evernessince
lexluthermiester said:
That's another fair point. However, the Android and iOS market as a gaming platform are fairly robust. Mostly casual gaming stuff, but there has been steady progress to appeal to the more serious gaming audience.

Actually, you are incorrect. According to this(and many other stat gathering websites);
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2017
Then look at these;
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2016
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2015
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2014
For the last four years Windows has been on a steady decline and Android on a steady incline. In March of 2017 Android became the dominant OS. They traded places very briefly in Nov of 2017, but the trend has resumed.
It is likely to continue and Windows may very well become irrelevant on many levels before the end of the decade.
Office 2019 only supporting Win10 may become a non-issue during and after it's release.
The source for that data is StatCounter, a web analytics tool you use in conjunction with your website. There are three problems with that

1. Websites that use StatCounter are not an accurate representation of OS Marketshare. There are a billion variables in the way of a clear analysis and simply recording the OS visiting a website is not a good measure. What if the websites that use statcounter are typically one's visited by mobile devices? This is ignoring the fact that mobile devices are made to do simple things like web browse while many PC many never even visit a single statcounter website while it's toiling away encoding.

2. The fact that Statcounter is not applied consistently

3. Methodology is not shown or explained. This data is worthless without this and could very well be misleading if incorrectly gathered. Bad data is worse than no data.

Seriously, that is a terrible source and the iOS marketshare should have given that away. Just by financial data alone we can tell more iOS devices are out in the wild than is suggested.
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#62
lexluthermiester
T4C Fantasy said:
Windows will never be irrelevant due to the fact a phone cant replace a pc in so many things, such as real gaming on a steam platform which is not declining and anything literally anything that requires mouse precision and businesses needing the speed of typing on a keyboard will andriod beat desktops or laptops in, the future is probably those laptops that turn into tablets.. And they will be on windows lol, because windows does business best, does gaming best and has more features andriod cant replace it.
Stranger things have happened..
evernessince said:
The source for that data is StatCounter, a web analytics tool you use in conjunction with your website. There are three problems with that

1. Websites that use StatCounter are not an accurate representation of OS Marketshare. There are a billion variables in the way of a clear analysis and simply recording the OS visiting a website is not a good measure. What if the websites that use statcounter are typically one's visited by mobile devices? This is ignoring the fact that mobile devices are made to do simple things like web browse while many PC many never even visit a single statcounter website while it's toiling away encoding.

2. The fact that Statcounter is not applied consistently

3. Methodology is not shown or explained. This data is worthless without this and could very well be misleading if incorrectly gathered. Bad data is worse than no data.

Seriously, that is a terrible source and the iOS marketshare should have given that away. Just by financial data alone we can tell more iOS devices are out in the wild than is suggested.
Could quote other statistical information, but you would likely just rationalize and disregard it. So not gonna bother. You are incorrect. If you don't want to accept reality, then go along your merry way. No worries.
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#63
cyneater
If only ran a PC for office it would be linux based. MAybe mac based.
But id not bother with windows 10 just for office.


If it wasnt for the gamers microsfot would be pretty screwed
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#64
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
cyneater said:
If only ran a PC for office it would be linux based. MAybe mac based.
But id not bother with windows 10 just for office.


If it wasnt for the gamers microsfot would be pretty screwed
I really hate to break it to you, but we gamers are but a small segment of the market.
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#65
Cataclysm_ZA
TheGuruStud said:
Then windows will become a yearly sub (M$ will call it updates), just wait. They'll try to pinch the corporations first.
Too late, it's already happened.

Microsoft 365

It makes a lot of sense for businesses, not so much for consumers. If you're deep in the Windows ecosystem, this will soon become the superior option.

FordGT90Concept said:
A lot of businesses aren't going to be buying it then because they're still deploying Windows 7 machines.
Depends on when you started your rollout. You can't start new rollouts from scratch now because Microsoft isn't handing out keys to anyone, although Windows 8.1 is still a viable option.

But to say they're not going to buy it? Eh. Microsoft's interoperability between Office suites isn't that great, particularly between Office 2016 and Office 2007. They both read the same basic formats, and files created on one opens on the other. However, there are significant differences in how the different suites interprets them. Businesses might move to Office 2019 just for compatibility purposes.

TheinsanegamerN said:
Or, you could save $100 a year, use libre/openoffice, and use google drive to share documents without paying a penny.
Use Google Drive, but just don't open or edit anything on Google Drive. I've had it mess up a few ODF files before, though I think that may have been because the file was generated with a beta version of Libre Office.

rtwjunkie said:
I really hate to break it to you, but we gamers are but a small segment of the market.
Gamers on Windows machines account for over 150 million users on Steam, as one example. Windows 10's shipments to date are around the 660 million licenses sold mark. Gamers are a significant source of revenue for Microsoft, especially when you take Microsoft Store sales into account. Soon, they'll have Windows 10 gamers signing up for Xbox Game Pass.
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#66
rtwjunkie
PC Gaming Enthusiast
Sigh....delusions of grandeur. There is a reason MS over the last 20 years has continually cycled between either screwing gamers over with intent or incompetency, and then reappearing every few years with a new pledge to support PC gaming. We aren't enough to truly matter compared to the rest of the user base.
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#67
ZeDestructor
close said:
The way you are portraying the situation is a little absurd. A 200-300E/$ phone is a "fully featured phone" but a 300-400E/$ laptop "barely runs"? For 250E/$ you get a mediocre phone that's good for light browsing, facebooking, instagraming, or youtubing. Even the cheapest laptop or tablet can do better than that. People don't buy 200E phones because they dream of the wonderful experience they offer. Heck, more complex work is a chore even on a high end phone, let alone a 200E one.

NetMarketShare data just tells you how people browse the section of internet they are monitoring or trends for internet usage. And the phone gives you full-time browsing: on the bus, in the elevator, while driving, in the shitter, etc. So if your life revolves around web browsing then you're good. But what about trends for anything else? What do you do when you need some productivity? Where do you go if you want to edit a 20 page document, let alone more complex tasks? The "barely runs" laptop or the "fully featured" phone?

The statistics will keep going up because data plans become cheaper and people use them to browse even more, not because the phone is some miracle device that does everything well.
Well, you can get a Galaxy J7 prime for about $200, and the Galaxy A8 and OnePlus are around the 400-500 mark. Much cheaper than a decent laptop (which over the past 10 years of laptop shopping I've found hovers around the 1200-1500 mark). Sure, it's a consumption-only device, but that's what most people do with their computing devices outside of work! For the 3 times a year the average person needs to actually do something that requires a proper keyboard and decent screen, they'll just use their work-provided machine, or borrow a relative's computer or something of the sort.

This is especially relevant in 3rd-world countries (I'm from one, so I get to call us that!) where people have much lower incomes, and proportionally less money to spend on tech. When you have to choose between a $500 shitty PC + $100 featurephone vs dropping 400-800 on a decent smartphone, you often go towards the phone side. ESPECIALLY if your job gets you access to a real computer.

EDIT: I wouldn't buy a J-series samsung (I need real amounts of RAM on my phone), but it's perfectly adequate for most of my relatives.
EDIT2: I use Syncthing for my own syncing (I have more data synced than literally any free service allows me to store), GSuite business for my own bulk offsite storage, and oneDrive Business/SharePoint for work stuff.

lexluthermiester said:
That's another fair point. However, the Android and iOS market as a gaming platform are fairly robust. Mostly casual gaming stuff, but there has been steady progress to appeal to the more serious gaming audience.

Actually, you are incorrect. According to this(and many other stat gathering websites);
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2017
Then look at these;
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2016
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2015
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/all/worldwide/2014
For the last four years Windows has been on a steady decline and Android on a steady incline. In March of 2017 Android became the dominant OS. They traded places very briefly in Nov of 2017, but the trend has resumed.
It is likely to continue and Windows may very well become irrelevant on many levels before the end of the decade.
Office 2019 only supporting Win10 may become a non-issue during and after it's release.
Ignoring the points @evernessince mentioned, the obvious, and most important missing bit in the statcounter info is the complete lack of total numbers. % changes in tech often means just changes in growth rates, and a lot less people abandoning a platform for another.

TheinsanegamerN said:
Or, you could save $100 a year, use libre/openoffice, and use google drive to share documents without paying a penny.

No office program is worth $100 a year.
OneNote is. Real OneNote, not the bastardized, useless POS that is the UWP app.

I guess Excel and PowerPoint are good too, and Work is a passable word processor... Outlook's passable too...

TheinsanegamerN said:
there are 2 classes that make up the majority of people who bother paying for officeL businesses and older folks who dont know about anything other then office, but still buy the newest as opposed to still using 2003.

Both groups still have a large number of 7 machines, and will not upgrade until they absolutely have to. Until businesses move to 10, sales will be low.
If you work with other business, people or states, you often end up using MSOffice just to keep collaboration sane. Especially if you use Excel beyond =A7+B7. A bunch of businesses have moved to 10 as well, like my dad's small consultancy. It's been great for me, since I don't need to worry about updates in particular.
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#68
Nergal
I see 14% respond with a "yes" in the poll.
If that means that 14% switches from another OS to Win10; means a shift of 7% marketshare to Win10 (bit more than 50% is not on Win10)

That´s reason enough for MS to push this
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#69
ZeDestructor
Nergal said:
I see 14% respond with a "yes" in the poll.
If that means that 14% switches from another OS to Win10; means a shift of 7% marketshare to Win10 (bit more than 50% is not on Win10)

That´s reason enough for MS to push this
I suspect a lot of people who have already switched to W10 may have voted in favour of switching. I know I didn't, but I definitely considered doing so.
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#70
lexluthermiester
ZeDestructor said:
Ignoring the points @evernessince mentioned, the obvious, and most important missing bit in the statcounter info is the complete lack of total numbers. % changes in tech often means just changes in growth rates, and a lot less people abandoning a platform for another.
Except that the graph referenced doesn't monitor growth change, it monitors actual usage. So it is, in fact, a valid reference. But there are more statistical databases than that one. Unfortunately, people are more concerned with seeing what they want to see and rationalizing rather than looking at actual, factual, information.
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#71
ZeDestructor
lexluthermiester said:
Except that the graph referenced doesn't monitor growth change, it monitors actual usage. So it is, in fact, a valid reference. But there are more statistical databases than that one. Unfortunately, people are more concerned with seeing what they want to see and rationalizing rather than looking at actual, factual, information.
My point was that the sample size changes month to month, which may be an indicator of differing growth rate rather than platform abandonment. For example, take an initial population of 100 W10 and 100 W7 users. That makes 50% of each. Now, add 200 W10 users and 100 W7 users. This results in 60% W10 and 40% W7. Sure, the percent for W7 has gone down, but it's grown all the same.

In the context of my comment, when you go by where the PC user numbers are changing, you'll find that a very large chunk is from 3rd-world nations constantly improving computer access, primarily by a LOT of people buying their first smartphone, which is almost certainly an Android device.
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#72
evernessince
lexluthermiester said:
Stranger things have happened..

Could quote other statistical information, but you would likely just rationalize and disregard it. So not gonna bother. You are incorrect. If you don't want to accept reality, then go along your merry way. No worries.
You might as well have qouted breitbart news as a good source, that's the quality of the website you linked. I pointed out errors and you couldn't refute them.

" but you would likely just rationalize and disregard it"

Oh noes! I'm a rational person! Whoa, I must be bad in the era of fake news for wanting to check sources and methodologies.

lexluthermiester said:
Except that the graph referenced doesn't monitor growth change, it monitors actual usage. So it is, in fact, a valid reference. But there are more statistical databases than that one. Unfortunately, people are more concerned with seeing what they want to see and rationalizing rather than looking at actual, factual, information.
It monitors select webpages, that's not actual usage in any form. Factual? Where are the actual numbers behind their percentages? Oh, that's right, they don't provide any.
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#73
lexluthermiester
evernessince said:
You might as well have qouted breitbart news as a good source, that's the quality of the website you linked. I pointed out errors and you couldn't refute them.
" but you would likely just rationalize and disregard it"
Oh noes! I'm a rational person! Whoa, I must be bad in the era of fake news for wanting to check sources and methodologies.
It monitors select webpages, that's not actual usage in any form. Factual? Where are the actual numbers behind their percentages? Oh, that's right, they don't provide any.
Ok, we're done here. Continue believing whatever you want.
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#74
evernessince
lexluthermiester said:
Ok, we're done here. Continue believing whatever you want.
I think we all know you are talking to yourself here. For example: http://www.zdnet.com/article/todays-most-popular-operating-systems/

And a funny excerpt from the article

"NetMarketShare and StatCounter are both popular for their operating system and web browser measurements, but their numbers are massaged. Both companies use different methodologies. Their results often vary for reasons that don't appear to have any rhyme or reasons."

Looks like Major tech publications agree with me too. Look at the difference in data you can get merely by measuring different websites.

"First, while both companies have the same general goal—measuring Web browser popularity—they use different methodologies. Ultimately, they're not really measuring the same thing, or even trying to do so. Net Applications, Net Market Share's parent company, is more interested in counting unique visitors' Web browser hits, while StatCounter looks at raw browser hits."

In otherwards, exactly what I said. The way they collect their data makes it completely useless for measuring marketshare. Now I've provided my analysis, let's see if you can refute it.
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#75
lexluthermiester
evernessince said:
"NetMarketShare and StatCounter are both popular for their operating system and web browser measurements, but their numbers are massaged. Both companies use different methodologies. Their results often vary for reasons that don't appear to have any rhyme or reasons."
Except that the trend displayed by them is something supported by observed market behavior. Those two information sites are far from the only sources. As you seem hell-bent on pressing a less-than objective opinion, I'm...
evernessince said:
Now I've provided my analysis, let's see if you can refute it.
...not going to waste time trying. We're straying from topic anyway.
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