Not sure why people think that these new cards will be expensive. We're talking small dies and small bus. These will be cheaper to make than 1080 Ti is now.
I expect 1180 will be $549-599 and beat 1080 Ti by 25-30%, running cooler and quieter.

silapakornMiners be like: Look at all these gamers thinking there will be cards left for them to buy. :roll:

GPU mining is pretty much dead. ASIC mining is the way to go. This is why GPU prices are down.

kingsHigh-End gamer cards on 7nm, probably only in 2020 or late 2019 at best.
My 980Ti is over 3 years old, I'm still happy with it, but depending on the price and performance of the new ones, I can think on buying one... we will see!

980 Ti is still great. Custom 980 Ti is between 1070 and 1080. Slightly below 1070 Ti.

cucker tarlsonMindblowing that people will bitch about nvidia cards then wait a year to buy the same performance for the same price from AMD, only with higher power draw.
You think AMD is letting gamers even smell 7nm in enthusiast segment anytime soon you're crazy. They treat enthusiast gamers like morons.

Enthusiasts are morons (if you define enthusiast by buying high end cards). Plenty of series were superior and cheaper than nvidia, but that didn't stop the majority from buying nvidia. Gamers did this to themselves. Lisa abandoned the market, b/c there's no hope for it. It's not reliable income. People are dumb and fickle. The decent market share was too little too late. Nvidia's business practices are icing on the cake. Idk wtf AMD's legal team is doing, but they need fired.

I don't care about that, I built my first gaming rig back in 2013, had 7870 and 290 throughout 2013 and 2014,never seen people with nvidia cards bitching about my choice. When Maxwell launched I went with 980Ti, then stuck with nvidia for gtx 1080. I am not a charity, not gonna buy a compute oriented product for gaming (amd latest enthusiast offerings that is) just cause AMD wants to get gamer's money for them too, yet I have to hear people whining about my choice all the time.Pathetic, just pathetic.

I only want them to fix their DisplayPort implementation. Because the free BIOS update they released, that supposed to help doesn't cut it (at least not for me). I know nVidia wants to cater to their own ecosystem with G-sync, and freeware stuff like displayport isn't in the menu, but come on.....how hard it is to give some actual care about it? Also, I can't believe I am saying this, but their control panel needs some update. I find having to record with shadowplay cumbersome for a reason. It's was much easier with AMD's ReLive on my RX560.

lasNot sure why people think that these new cards will be expensive. We're talking small dies and small bus. These will be cheaper to make than 1080 Ti is now.
I expect 1180 will be $549-599 and beat 1080 Ti by 25-30%, running cooler and quieter. GPU mining is pretty much dead. ASIC mining is the way to go. This is why GPU prices are down

Even if it is cheaper to make, it doesnt mean Nvidia will sell them cheap. Market is waiting for new gen cards. So demand is there. Very much.
Memory prices are already high so this is a good pretext/cause to increase video card prices as well. GTX 1080 MSRP was $549. So $599 is likely for GTX 1180 as new MSRP. At least.
Performance wise: Nothing is specified so far but I am more inclined to think about a 1180 equal to or %5-10 better than 1080Ti, tops.

Actually GPU mining is not dead. Still profitable but not as much as 2017. There was bull run on BTC and alts. Very good profits and quick ROI for rigs.
Mining with already ROI'ed rigs by just paying electricty (by partially selling what the machine mined or out of pcoket) still yields profit.

cucker tarlsonNo it isn't.

The only exception might be 21:9 1440p monitor, but even at those resolutions I bet that you can play pretty much any game on high settings with far-better-than-console FPS.
Nevertheless, there will always be crybabies who will whine that 60 FPS on high or highest possible settings is unplayable, then those special ones claiming than 120 FPS isn't enough and finally very special speciments who will whine that anything less than 200 FPS is unplayable. :laugh:

Some 15 years ago gamers were exceptionally satisfied if their top end GPU's could maintain 30 FPS. By todays standards 30 FPS is low, but there's no way that 60 FPS could be considered as unplayable.

A lot of people cannot see the difference between 60 and 120 Hz monitors. There were a couple of videos about that on YT. Not to mention that only a cyborg can notice the difference between 144 hz and 240 Hz, but marketing makes wonders.

Long story short, as long as you can play GPU-demanding games on medium or high settings with 50-60 FPS, you're golden.

Cant wait to replace my aging 980.

cucker tarlsonMindblowing that people will bitch about nvidia cards then wait a year to buy the same performance for the same price from AMD, only with higher power draw.
You think AMD is letting gamers even smell 7nm in enthusiast segment anytime soon you're crazy. They treat enthusiast gamers like morons.

Nobody mentioned AMD. Nvidia is going to have to switch nodes eventually if they haven't already.

TheGuruStudEnthusiasts are morons (if you define enthusiast by buying high end cards). Plenty of series were superior and cheaper than nvidia, but that didn't stop the majority from buying nvidia. Gamers did this to themselves. Lisa abandoned the market, b/c there's no hope for it. It's not reliable income. People are dumb and fickle. The decent market share was too little too late. Nvidia's business practices are icing on the cake. Idk wtf AMD's legal team is doing, but they need fired.

If AMD have good products, the consumer buy, the rest is coffee talk! Of course Nvidia has more mindshare and this will hardly change, we all know this, but AMD doesn´t need to sell more than Nvidia to be successful! Many companies in this world succeed without being the biggest in the business!

The marketshare of AMD GPUs began to seriously plunge, the moment they took the path of successive rebrands, from 2014 onward. We've only seen so many rebrands like that, in the Nvidia's G92 days. Thats why they plunge from 40%~45% marketshare in the HD5xxx/HD6xxx/HD7xxx era, from 18%~20% by the end of 2015.

So, the excuse that "no one" buy AMD is just that, an excuse. Look at what happened to ZEN, people are buying, which allowed AMD finally start making profit after several years of losses, even with Intel selling more. The same could happen to GPUs, if RTG can figure it out!

100% NOT going to be based on Turing and it will be Volta. There's just no need for Nvidia to go all in with Turing given complete lack of competition at the top end. Volta will easily be able to offer the requisite 15-20% upgrade over Pascal.

cucker tarlsonBet it's expensive,but it's nvidia,I'll gladly pay premium.

The Green zombie.

lasI expect 1180 will be $549-599 and beat 1080 Ti by 25-30%

It wasn't long ago when we saw the numbers, meaning you cannot wait such a performance leap this gen. We will see.

las980 Ti is still great. Custom 980 Ti is between 1070 and 1080. Slightly below 1070 Ti.

GTX 1070 beats the 980Ti in 1440P by about 14%. Both have custom versions. How the heck it can beat the GTX 1070 or be close to a GTX 1070Ti? :D

Vya DomusGood luck with that , this will likely have a gargantuan launch price , in addition to that it probably won't outperform a 1080ti by much. So , it's unlikely people will start throwing their 1080ti aways for peanuts.

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We've been seeing 30 - 50+% generational increases of late and i don't expect that to change. Retailers already know what they will be paying. How much they charge will depend on supply and demand. Of course the "I must be th 1st on my b;ock to have the new thing" crowd will be staking out and buying the few initial cards that land driving up prices .... then the AIB cards will drop 6 or so weeks later and there will be another surge. Those folks will pay more and get less with the added "bleeding edge" risk of, for example, winding up with a defective early EVGA 970 / 1060 / 1070 / 1080.

For those that can wait, they have the opportunity for AIB cards w/ later stepping PCBs, and having the benefit of reviews / tests to see whch models shine above the others. Water folks will have to wait anyway for access to model specific water blocks. I'll take a wild guess at the following...

August 30 - September 15 - 1st cards / reviews appear
September 16 - October 15 - cards appear in reasonable quantities
October 16 - November 15 - AIB Gaming cards drop
November 15 - December 01 - AIB shipping in quantity / prices stabilize
January 01 - 31 - Price cuts

B-RealThe Green zombie.


It wasn't long ago when we saw the numbers, meaning you cannot wait such a performance leap this gen. We will see.


GTX 1070 beats the 980Ti in 1440P by about 14%. Both have custom versions. How the heck it can beat the GTX 1070 or be close to a GTX 1070Ti? :D

You are talking about stock and AIB OC models aren't you. 980ti:s has larger OC headroom than gtx1070 and it has more shaders so bigger the clocks it get's more brute force it has. I.E. Some golden nugget gtx1070 might OC to 2.1GHz, that's 2*1920*2.1= 8.064TFlops. Average 980ti OC to 1.5GHz that's 2*2816*1.5 = 8.448 TFlops. 980ti has more raw memory bandwidth too, but that is quite nullified by pascals better color compression algo and higher vram amount. Well of course there's is some games that runs better on pascals due architectural differences, so who beats who depends on the title(HW unboxed...). It would be interesting to see if @W1zzard would add some "max" OC gtx980ti fps on tpu charts too.

jabbadapYou are talking about stock and AIB OC models aren't you. 980ti:s has larger OC headroom than gtx1070 and it has more shaders so bigger the clocks it get's more brute force it has. I.E. Some golden nugget gtx1070 might OC to 2.1GHz, that's 2*1920*2.1= 8.064TFlops. Average 980ti OC to 1.5GHz that's 2*2816*1.5 = 8.448 TFlops. 980ti has more raw memory bandwidth too, but that is quite nullified by pascals better color compression algo and higher vram amount. Well of course there's is some games that runs better on pascals due architectural differences, so who beats who depends on the title(HW unboxed...). It would be interesting to see if @W1zzard would add some "max" OC gtx980ti fps on tpu charts too.

True,though only theoretically.In practice, what's easier to OC on air, a 200W card or a +300W one ? Had 980Ti myself, overclocking it on air was an ordeal. 80 degrees on 100% fan. No thanks.

Vya DomusGood luck with that , this will likely have a gargantuan launch price , in addition to that it probably won't outperform a 1080ti by much. So , it's unlikely people will start throwing their 1080ti aways for peanuts.

Yep, agreed - I have a couple 1080Tis, and I'll be waiting for the 1180Ti model before I consider upgrading.

gmn 174k 60fps gaming here I come

We've been there since 2016 lol.

I wish these top-end cards would get back down to the ~$700 range

FxI wish these top-end cards would get back down to the ~$700 range

Never gonna happen hahaha. Nvidia has been trying to make the high-end start at $799 for a bloody decade. The 290X was the last time AMD really tried to keep prices down, and the lemmings bought the 780 Ti instead. It's over.


In fact I wouldn't be surprised if AMD will continue to sit out the high-end till 2020 so that Nvidia can be blamed for price hikes, and then AMD will launch some GTX 1280 Ti competitor for $750 and everyone will think it's cheap ;).

Captain_TomNever gonna happen hahaha. Nvidia has been trying to make the high-end start at $799 for a bloody decade. The 290X was the last time AMD really tried to keep prices down, and the lemmings bought the 780 Ti instead. It's over.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if AMD will continue to sit out the high-end till 2020 so that Nvidia can be blamed for price hikes, and then AMD will launch some GTX 1280 Ti competitor for $750 and everyone will think it's cheap ;).

It's absurd though. There are only so many measures I can take to feel good better about dropping $800-900 on a single component for my rig. I buy top-quality cases, case fans and power supplies so that I can reuse them over 3-4 rigs. I've stopped using AIO water coolers and gone back to air. I have placed the purchase of cpu, mobo and memory on its own purchase cycle than the GPU, but when I get down to making that one purchase for the graphics, I feel so disgusted.

FxIt's absurd though. There are only so many measures I can take to feel good better about dropping $800-900 on a single component for my rig. I buy top-quality cases, case fans and power supplies so that I can reuse them over 3-4 rigs. I've stopped using AIO water coolers and gone back to air. I have placed the purchase of cpu, mobo and memory on its own purchase cycle than the GPU, but when I get down to making that one purchase for the graphics, I feel so disgusted.

Then don't buy it - nothing changes unless we change our spending habits.

I remember buying a 7970 and overclocking it to 1215/1830(!) MHz for absolutely skullcrushing performance in 2012 (It trades blows with a 780 Ti, but it was 2012). I didn't feel any need to upgrade until there were R9 Fury's on sale for $250 in 2016 lol.

Now I did eventually upgrade to a Vega 64 too, but it was because I knew it would pay for itself in 2 months due to mining. At this point, I quite literally only feel the desire to upgrade my GPU if it makes good financial sense. It will probably be that way till AMD finally gets off of GCN in 2021 lol - If I get an 1180, it's because it gets 100MH/s+.

Captain_TomThen don't buy it - nothing changes unless we change our spending habits.

It is interesting you say that. I was just speaking with a buddy today because we are both building Ryzen rigs right now and discussing costs and performance. He bought his 780 Ti for around $700 and I just looked up my order where I bought my 980Ti for $670 brand new. Prices have skyrocketed since then and then come back down a little.

I'm used to always buying the highest-end card (no sli/crossfire). With prices having jumped so much since 2015 (when I bought my 980Ti), this is the first time I've ever considered purchasing a tier down from the top such as the 1170 that will be released.

This has nothing to do with me not being able to afford a grand. That is easy money. Out of principle, the purchase just doesn't feel justifiable at $900-1,000. Current 980Ti's are at $750-900ish so I don't see how 1180s could come out at ~$800. I hope that my speculation is wrong.

I really can't wait till AMD comes back to the graphics dynamics with a pimp slap.

If they do raise the prices again it will only continue to damage the PC gaming market.

Considering the competition (read: the lack of it), the rummoours are suggesting at least +200$ over the simmilar launch from 2 years ago. Greedy nGreedia will always be greedy.

FxIt is interesting you say that. I was just speaking with a buddy today because we are both building Ryzen rigs right now and discussing costs and performance. He bought his 780 Ti for around $700 and I just looked up my order where I bought my 980Ti for $670 brand new. Prices have skyrocketed since then and then come back down a little.

I'm used to always buying the highest-end card (no sli/crossfire). With prices having jumped so much since 2015 (when I bought my 980Ti), this is the first time I've ever considered purchasing a tier down from the top such as the 1170 that will be released.

This has nothing to do with me not being able to afford a grand. That is easy money. Out of principle, the purchase just doesn't feel justifiable at $900-1,000. Current 980Ti's are at $750-900ish so I don't see how 1180s could come out at ~$800. I hope that my speculation is wrong.

I really can't wait till AMD comes back to the graphics dynamics with a pimp slap.

Haha I couldn't agree more. I would just keep the 980 Ti if you aren't mining - I mean honestly is it that much of a difference?!

Have you overclocked your 980 Ti? My Fury @1100/518MHz traded blows with a 1070 (And a 1080 in some games). 980 TI overclocks better too, and I have seen them match a stock 1080.

But yeah I mean my honest to god expectation is the 11xx series will only be 15-30% more powerful, and at least 20% more expensive. AMD will launch some new 12nm Polaris card for a good price, they might launch a crazy expensive 7nm Vega Card for competition against Titan Volta, and Navi is just gonna be a 7nm 120w card that competes with the 1170. We will need to wait till 2020 for any "pimp slap" from AMD...