BrusfantometWhat are you on about? If you are thinking that the “infinity scroll wheel” is an improvement you are sorely mistaken, those become lose and prone to over scrolling after 6 months. There is not to many good mice from Logitech with a proper, simple scroll wheel.

Also, the G5, MX 500 and MX 518 is the same shape, but with different sensors, weights and number of buttons.

Sorry, but I have no idea what you're doing with your mice of you've experienced that. Never had that problem with a single Logitech moose and it's a key feature for me and a reason I can't/won't use other mice.

They're not exactly the same shape and this silly thing has a scratchy, pointless logo in your palm, no thanks.

Brought back the wrong one... bring back the g9x...

These marketing people are fully retarded... they launch mice at improper price points and then discontinue them when they sell poorly.
502 only sells well because it goes on discount to $30 all the time, it isn't worth the $70 asking.

PatriotBrought back the wrong one... bring back the g9x...

These marketing people are fully retarded... they launch mice at improper price points and then discontinue them when they sell poorly.
502 only sells well because it goes on discount to $30 all the time, it isn't worth the $70 asking.

I had the G9, it had the absolute worst ergonomics of any mouse I've ever used. Good mouse feature-wise, but that doesn't help when the hand cramps hit after an hour. To each their own, I guess.

ValantarI had the G9, it had the absolute worst ergonomics of any mouse I've ever used. Good mouse feature-wise, but that doesn't help when the hand cramps hit after an hour. To each their own, I guess.

Well, hands are different, grip styles are different. The only way a mouse would please everyone is if it was made of silly putty.

bugWell, hands are different, grip styles are different. The only way a mouse would please everyone is if it was made of silly putty.

Yep, absolutely. Still, there is definitely such a thing as demonstrably bad ergonomics (look at Apple's mice), and I'd argue the G9 series comes close (not shaped to fit hands, promotes a claw/fingertip grip that can promote carpal tunnel), but people's sensitivity to such things, not to mention hand size, plays a big role. And the G9 series did make some efforts (thumb rest, slightly raised rear) - it just wasn't enough for me and my hands. And of course, it is the worst I've tried mainly as I've actively shied away from things I can immediately tell will be horrible.

tthat mouse was legendary... really needed a wireless option tho

My Logitech G602 is my new MX518. Nothing matches its battery life.

Musselstthat mouse was legendary... really needed a wireless option tho

How's battery life these days? I have tried a wireless mouse a while (decade) ago and it was really frustrating when in the middle of a game the cursor suddenly started moving sluggishly. And it did it like once a month or so.

bugHow's battery life these days? I have tried a wireless mouse a while (decade) ago and it was really frustrating when in the middle of a game the cursor suddenly started moving sluggishly. And it did it like once a month or so.

Depends on the mouse and the battery. My G602s (one at home, one at work) last for months on end. They run off two AAs, but I'm using rechargeable NiMH ones - less capacity than regular alkaline AAs, but no need to replace them. Of course, with regular ones, I'd likely be adding another month to the battery life. The Logitech software also warns me when battery life is at "5%", which usually means I have to recharge within a week or two. The only downside is that this makes the mouse a tad heavy, but its ergonomics are great, and even the low-end sensor (2500dpi, IIRC) is fine - who uses above 2500dpi anyhow? The ability to quickly switch between low-power mode (125Hz polling, probably some other savings) and "game mode" (up to 500Hz polling) with a single switch is pretty sweet too.

ValantarDepends on the mouse and the battery. My G602s (one at home, one at work) last for months on end. They run off two AAs, but I'm using rechargeable NiMH ones - less capacity than regular alkaline AAs, but no need to replace them. Of course, with regular ones, I'd likely be adding another month to the battery life. The Logitech software also warns me when battery life is at "5%", which usually means I have to recharge within a week or two. The only downside is that this makes the mouse a tad heavy, but its ergonomics are great, and even the low-end sensor (2500dpi, IIRC) is fine - who uses above 2500dpi anyhow? The ability to quickly switch between low-power mode (125Hz polling, probably some other savings) and "game mode" (up to 500Hz polling) with a single switch is pretty sweet too.

Yeah, I'm a big fan of hardware buttons over software functionality, too. Hardware buttons work across operating systems with zero effort.
There was this Logitech mouse that used the wireless receiver as a docking station to recharge (I don't recall the model), but it was way too expensive for me at the time. Plus, back then wireless mice were laggy.

bugHow's battery life these days? I have tried a wireless mouse a while (decade) ago and it was really frustrating when in the middle of a game the cursor suddenly started moving sluggishly. And it did it like once a month or so.

my high end wireless gaming mice (Logitech G403, G703, G903) give me about 25 hours of use (30 with RGB off). The main thing is they power off fully at idle (with a very fast wakeup time) so if i dont use it for a few days, it doesnt go flat on its own
(I also have a logitech G602 with months and months of battery life, but its performance lags behind the others so i barely touch it. I'm... a mouse hoarder.)

They also charge stupidly fast, so an hour of charging for a week of use seems a damn nice setup - and these are the power hungry current gen models, there are ones with months of battery life (but are heavier, or have slower wakeup times)

bugYeah, I'm a big fan of hardware buttons over software functionality, too. Hardware buttons work across operating systems with zero effort.
There was this Logitech mouse that used the wireless receiver as a docking station to recharge (I don't recall the model), but it was way too expensive for me at the time. Plus, back then wireless mice were laggy.

Docking to charge was a PITA, as you couldnt use the mouse when it charged. Some had the hot swap batteries which was a great idea, but the battery tech back then sucked and the batteries would die in a few months.. and here in aus you couldnt buy replacements so the mouse was useless after 2 years.

Musselsmy high end wireless gaming mice (Logitech G403, G703, G903) give me about 25 hours of use (30 with RGB off). The main thing is they power off fully at idle (with a very fast wakeup time) so if i dont use it for a few days, it doesnt go flat on its own
(I also have a logitech G602 with months and months of battery life, but its performance lags behind the others so i barely touch it. I'm... a mouse hoarder.)

They also charge stupidly fast, so an hour of charging for a week of use seems a damn nice setup - and these are the power hungry current gen models, there are ones with months of battery life (but are heavier, or have slower wakeup times)



Docking to charge was a PITA, as you couldnt use the mouse when it charged. Some had the hot swap batteries which was a great idea, but the battery tech back then sucked and the batteries would die in a few months.. and here in aus you couldnt buy replacements so the mouse was useless after 2 years.

Spoiler: Mice pics here

Logitech MX700 and its stupid dock

Logitech G7 was a sexy beast, only let down by a large (by modern standards) receiver, and the batteries dying fast. The hot swap with a spare battery was amazing.

Yeah, that's the one. The thing is, if you dock it when you leave the station, charging doesn't interfere with your using the mouse.

Musselsmy high end wireless gaming mice (Logitech G403, G703, G903) give me about 25 hours of use (30 with RGB off). The main thing is they power off fully at idle (with a very fast wakeup time) so if i dont use it for a few days, it doesnt go flat on its own
(I also have a logitech G602 with months and months of battery life, but its performance lags behind the others so i barely touch it. I'm... a mouse hoarder.)

They also charge stupidly fast, so an hour of charging for a week of use seems a damn nice setup - and these are the power hungry current gen models, there are ones with months of battery life (but are heavier, or have slower wakeup times)



Docking to charge was a PITA, as you couldnt use the mouse when it charged. Some had the hot swap batteries which was a great idea, but the battery tech back then sucked and the batteries would die in a few months.. and here in aus you couldnt buy replacements so the mouse was useless after 2 years.

Spoiler: Mice pics here

Logitech MX700 and its stupid dock

Logitech G7 was a sexy beast, only let down by a large (by modern standards) receiver, and the batteries dying fast. The hot swap with a spare battery was amazing.

I guess my memory was off, that MX700 was what I had, not the G7. Loved that mouse, but you're entirely right that the charging dock was garbage - fiddly to get it right (too much leeway in the mount, easy for the mouse to miss the contact pins. Oh, and then there was the fact that this was in the bad old USB 2.0 (5V <=0.5A) days, when the charging dock required its own wall outlet (and nothing ran at 5V, but rather at odd voltages like 5.7V or 4.6V, so no mods were possible). Mind you, that didn't deter me from also getting the DiNovo Media Desktop, which included the MX1000 Laser mouse and its (only slightly less terrible) charging dock, still requiring a wall wart. But no matter what, having your mouse out of commission while charging is a terrible idea - and battery life back then was less than stellar. IIRC, the battery in my MX1000 deteriorated noticeably in a year or two, even with relatively light use. For their time, both of those mice were fantastic, but they sure had their drawbacks. The shape and ergonomics of the MX1000 was also a significant step back from the MX700 - I can't remember what game it was I was playing at the time of the changeover, but I was playing something where click speed was a significant factor, and it dropped by something like 30% for me. Makes me wonder whether I should get one of these MX518s just to try. I think the MX1000 and its rather poor fit was what prompted me to get the G9, actually. Which again lead me to the G602 I use today.

You're not the only mouse hoarder here, as you might be able to tell, though I'd include keyboards (to a certain degree - I'm not a die-hard mech keyboard collector) to the list. I think I picked my G9 back out from the electronics recycling bin at least three times before actually getting rid of it (the rubberization was long gone, and I never used it), and I currently have ... 6 mice that I've actively bought (not counting ones that came included with various stuff) as well as a touchpad (and my home desktop keyboard has a trackpoint). Maybe I should just call myself a HID afficionado?

bugYeah, that's the one. The thing is, if you dock it when you leave the station, charging doesn't interfere with your using the mouse.

While a good theory, this doesn't work in practice. Leaving the mouse in the dock deteriorates the battery (by keeping it at 100% and trickle-charging), meaning the best solution was to charge only when needed - which with the rather poor battery life, quickly deteriorating batteries and lacklustre software meant a lot of occurrences of running out of battery in very inconvenient situations.


Edit: Hah! I found the old kb+m set I got the MX700 from:
Man, I'm glad the days when that was a good keyboard are long past us. IIRC, it was garbage (though I have fond memories of both the volume wheel and the left-side scroll wheel). Though at least I thought it was cool after I disassembled it (and the MX700) and painted all the silver parts bright red - it's just a shame I didn't clear coat them and the spray paint didn't quite harden, leading to a lot of wear. Yeah, I was 17 or something. Go figure. Bad taste and crap DIY skills all rolled into one package.

edited my post with a pic of my logitech collection, i had a razer collection as well but they tended to wear out and stop working a lot faster, so i have less of them around.

ValantarWhile a good theory, this doesn't work in practice. Leaving the mouse in the dock deteriorates the battery (by keeping it at 100% and trickle-charging), meaning the best solution was to charge only when needed - which with the rather poor battery life, quickly deteriorating batteries and lacklustre software meant a lot of occurrences of running out of battery in very inconvenient situations.

Ah, it didn't cut the power off once full. Well, that sucks, especially for the asking price.

I want a G7 remake already! Still using one, there is no such durable mouse like this....

ZoneDymogot any numbers to back that up? because speaking from personal experience and never having read anything about it on the web, the infinity scroll wheel is both reliable and fantastic to have, truly miss having it on my current mouse.

TheLostSwedeSorry, but I have no idea what you're doing with your mice of you've experienced that. Never had that problem with a single Logitech moose and it's a key feature for me and a reason I can't/won't use other mice.

They're not exactly the same shape and this silly thing has a scratchy, pointless logo in your palm, no thanks.

I had a MX master at a previous employer. After having used it for 6 months a co-worker that just started got one as well, and I noticed that the scroll wheel on mine had a much less defined detent than the new one, to the point where scrolling though PDF pages it would overshoot because the detent was to weak. In addition the middle click with the scroll wheel was horrible, it would scroll up or down when trying to do a middle click, had to repurpose the wheel behaviour button to be middle click. This mouse lived solely in the office and was never with me on any field trips so just normal, 7,5 hours a day office use for 6 months.

Have tried many Logitech mice with the infinity wheel, and all of them have the same fragile feeling for the detents, if they were as good as on the normal Logitech scroll wheel I would not have any trouble with them as I would be able to set them as always clicky in the driver.

Also had the MX 500, that had a much more pronounced logo (the old Logitech logo) in the back, and it did not bother me at all, would actually prefer some more texture to that logo area on my G402. But that is probably a personal preference thing.

BTW, it apears that this is a somewhat common problem with the scroll wheel:

That ad made me laugh-out-loud fer reals. WTF

One another note: is anyone else getting confused with Logitechs mouse lineups lately? - the naming dosent lend itself well to understanding their product placement

BrusfantometI had a MX master at a previous employer. After having used it for 6 months a co-worker that just started got one as well, and I noticed that the scroll wheel on mine had a much less defined detent than the new one, to the point where scrolling though PDF pages it would overshoot because the detent was to weak. In addition the middle click with the scroll wheel was horrible, it would scroll up or down when trying to do a middle click, had to repurpose the wheel behaviour button to be middle click. This mouse lived solely in the office and was never with me on any field trips so just normal, 7,5 hours a day office use for 6 months.

Have tried many Logitech mice with the infinity wheel, and all of them have the same fragile feeling for the detents, if they were as good as on the normal Logitech scroll wheel I would not have any trouble with them as I would be able to set them as always clicky in the driver.

Also had the MX 500, that had a much more pronounced logo (the old Logitech logo) in the back, and it did not bother me at all, would actually prefer some more texture to that logo area on my G402. But that is probably a personal preference thing.

BTW, it apears that this is a somewhat common problem with the scroll wheel:

You know there's such a thing as warranty right? Logitech honours theirs quite well and would've replaced your mice. I (sadly in hindsight) had G700s replaced on warranty for a G900, which technically was an upgrade, but the G900 is horrid imho. I have a very old and well used Performance Mouse MX and the already mentioned G500s and the scroll wheels are perfect on both. Maybe I just got lucky, or you got unlucky?

umageddonThat ad made me laugh-out-loud fer reals. WTF

One another note: is anyone else getting confused with Logitechs mouse lineups lately? - the naming dosent lend itself well to understanding their product placement

agreed, its chaotic af. Even the G403-G703 rebadge was very bizarre, as they're literally the same mouse

TheLostSwedeYou know there's such a thing as warranty right? Logitech honours theirs quite well and would've replaced your mice. I (sadly in hindsight) had G700s replaced on warranty for a G900, which technically was an upgrade, but the G900 is horrid imho. I have a very old and well used Performance Mouse MX and the already mentioned G500s and the scroll wheels are perfect on both. Maybe I just got lucky, or you got unlucky?

Yeah, I know very well about warranties, but the muse was procured by the employer, and they were not that interested in getting a new one for me.
It could be that I have been unlucky there, but I think it’s more that you have a different perception of “perfect”.

BrusfantometYeah, I know very well about warranties, but the muse was procured by the employer, and they were not that interested in getting a new one for me.
It could be that I have been unlucky there, but I think it’s more that you have a different perception of “perfect”.

Buck up and buy your own mouse. That's what I did years ago and my G400 is still serving me well in the office.

Musselsagreed, its chaotic af. Even the G403-G703 rebadge was very bizarre, as they're literally the same mouse

I think that was an attempt at cleaning up the naming scheme. It's a relatively high end mouse (or at least upper mid-range) after all, so it makes little sense for it to have a lower number than for example the relatively low-end G602 (2500dpi sensor and AA batteries). Still, it gets pretty confusing, especially when there are so many factors in play (sensor, buttons, profiles/on-board memory, wired/wireless, ergonomics, bonus features like the infinity wheels) - it's not exactly a simple bad-to-good axis.

TheLostSwedeYou know there's such a thing as warranty right? Logitech honours theirs quite well and would've replaced your mice. I (sadly in hindsight) had G700s replaced on warranty for a G900, which technically was an upgrade, but the G900 is horrid imho. I have a very old and well used Performance Mouse MX and the already mentioned G500s and the scroll wheels are perfect on both. Maybe I just got lucky, or you got unlucky?

Entirely agree about the warranty - Logitech's warranty service is the stuff of legend, at least here in Norway - I've never encountered a single tech company even close to that friendly. That's how I ended up with two G602s - the scroll wheel button in mine failed a month or two after the 3-year warranty expired, and they just mailed me a retail boxed replacement, no questions asked. They even had it delivered to my door, which is usually an expensive extra service here. I had it in hand a few days after first emailing them. So I simply remapped the middle click to a side button (with 6, there are plenty to choose from in that regard) and brought the "failed" one to work. And from what I've heard, this was far from unique (though I've heard of them asking for proof of destruction of failed keyboards and the like).

As for infinity wheel quality, as I said I've seen both "bad" (slightly loose, prone to scrolling when clicked) and good ones, and I'd bet replacement of the bad ones would be covered by warranty if this was attempted.

BrusfantometYeah, I know very well about warranties, but the muse was procured by the employer, and they were not that interested in getting a new one for me.
It could be that I have been unlucky there, but I think it’s more that you have a different perception of “perfect”.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Logitech offered to replace it even if it was bought by your employer - though that might be on the optimistic side, my experience with their customer service is really that good. Why not write them an email and ask?

Logitechs warranty here in Au, is the stuff of nightmares... i had a thread about it once

Summary was: the staff would offer things, then backtrack, and do nothing beyond return it to where you bought it.
In the case of a logitech Z5500, mailing back the ENTIRE unit was for a broken control pod was a f*cking nightmare

MusselsLogitechs warranty here in Au, is the stuff of nightmares... i had a thread about it once

Summary was: the staff would offer things, then backtrack, and do nothing beyond return it to where you bought it.
In the case of a logitech Z5500, mailing back the ENTIRE unit was for a broken control pod was a f*cking nightmare

Wow, that is weird. One would expect customer service norms to be pretty much global, no?

Back when I worked in PC/component retail around 2010, our store policy for anything Logitech was to tell the customer "Sure, we can RMA it for you if you want, but if you contact them directly it'll take 1/4 of the time and you'll have a far better experience" - and we never had a single dissatisfied response to this (although some people needed help composing the initial email, which still cost us less time than going through our RMA procedures). And we sold a lot of Logitech peripherals.