Monday, January 6th 2020

AMD at CES 2020 Event Live Blog: AMD to Talk Zen 3 and RDNA2

We're live from the International CES 2020 and AMD's keynote address by CEO Dr Lisa Su. AMD is expected to announce new products such as its next-generation APU, a new e-sports graphics card, and teasers for its upcoming products. This is a live-blog article that will be continually updated through the event.

21:58 UTC: The show begins in a packed house with long queues leading up

Jan 6th: Dr Su takes centerstage.
22:49 UTC: Feb 7th Availability for 3990X.
22:48 UTC: RED Digital Cinema tries out 3990X and is mighty impressed with the 8K transcoding/editing performance boost.
22:46 UTC: Threadripper 3990X smokes 2P Xeon 8280 56 cores at 1/5th the pricc. AMD 30% faster:
22:44 UTC: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X: 64-core processor: 64core/128thread, 4.3 GHz boost, and priced at USD $3,990.
22:37 UTC: AMD SmartShift: iGPU + dGPU virtualization akin to various technologies from the past. Switches between iGPU and graphics card based on graphics load. Q2 availability for 4800H, SmartShift:
22:35 UTC: ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 with 4800H, Avalable February:
22:34 UTC: Ryzen 7 4800H Faster than Core i7-9700K desktop at half the TDP.
22:28 UTC: "2020 is the year of the gamer." Announcing the Ryzen 7 4800H for high-performance laptops, desktop-class performance.
22:25 UTC: The Radeon RX 5600 XT: Beats GTX 1660 Ti, available January 21, USD $279 SEP.
22:24 UTC: Build up to new hardware launch:

22:21 UTC: AMD creates tiers of FreeSync technology:

22:18 UTC: AMD begins talking Radeon and gaming:
22:16 UTC: Gains even in the power/battery space, Intel's USP:

22:16 UTC: Lenovo Yoga Slim 7 is a sexy new ultrathin, world's thinnest and lightest 8-core laptop: Over 100 design wins for AMD

22:13 UTC: 8 Zen 2 Cores CONFIRMED for Renoir! Beats Core i7 "Ice Lake"

22:12 UTC: All three form-factors targeted in the mobile space:

22:10 UTC: The Ryzen 4000 mobile processor: Disruptive performance for ultrathins.

22:09 UTC: AMD will make a big push into the laptop space, Intel's stronghold. AMD will introduce the "best laptop processor ever built."

22:08 UTC: Over 20 products in design/development on 7 nm

22:07 UTC: AMD recognizes importance of industry partners:

22:03 UTC: Dr Su recaps 2019 as being the best year for AMD in a long time:
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46 Comments on AMD at CES 2020 Event Live Blog: AMD to Talk Zen 3 and RDNA2

#1
R0H1T
Sill up just for this! The last Computex was great for them, I imagine this would be similar.
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#2
notb
"innovation", "tremendous", "7nm", "innovation", "amazing", "tremendous"

Gamers: +90% in Cinebench (which has no implication on gaming)
Creators: max +49% among software presented

pfff
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#3
R0H1T
Obviously "more core" still sells.

Consoles coming in 2021 :wtf:

I don't wanna sound harsh but Laura botched it with her presentation so far, voice trembling & lots of mistakes besides stuttering :shadedshu:
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#4
notb
R0H1T
I don't wanna sound harsh but Laura botched it with her presentation so far, voice trembling & lots of mistakes besides stuttering :shadedshu:
Exactly. Nervous, not prepared. Very unpleasant voice as well.
She stutters while saying stuttering can ruin gaming.

I don't expect engineers to be good at presenting. This is why normal companies employ public relations professionals. I understand this is another thing AMD can't afford.

Earlier, as Su presented 4800U: very weak, delayed applause. Almost as if there was a huge "applause" sign above the stage.

This is the first keynote by AMD I've ever seen. Probably the last one. ;)

edit:
This next guy is better, but he repeats every thought few times.
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#5
Cheeseball
Not a Potato
$279 for the 5600 XT? Fail pricing again, and they are aiming at the 1660 Ti when it should be the RTX 2060 non-Super.

$230 to $250 and it would've been a great bang-for-buck card.

Update:

So the first gaming laptop with the 4800H is ASUS's Zephyrus chassis, which IMHO has not been well-managed, at least from what I've tried with the GX502. I hope they have dual-slot SODIMM slots and a better screen this time around.
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#6
Mark Little
Cheeseball
$279 for the 5600 XT? Fail pricing again, and they are aiming at the 1660 Ti when it should be the RTX 2060 non-Super.

$230 to $250 and it would've been a great bang-for-buck card.
The 1660Ti is faster than the 1660 Super. The 5600XT will be faster than the 1660Ti that costs $279. I don't understand your logic.
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#7
Cheeseball
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Mark Little
The 1660Ti is faster than the 1660 Super. The 5600XT will be faster than the 1660Ti that costs $279. I don't understand your logic.
I never mentioned the 1660 Super. They should be aiming at the 2060 non-Super with that price. Otherwise, just get a 5700 non-XT for potentially $280.

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Update +1:

Dell G5 with the 4800H and 5600M or 5700M? I'm interested! If I don't have any CUDA workload, this would be great as a replacement for my 2018 G5.
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#8
trparky
Where's the Zen 3 stuff?
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#9
Durvelle27
trparky
Where's the Zen 3 stuff?
AMD ces last until the 10th so they can announce anytime
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#10
_Flare
no Zen3, an too expensive 5600XT and btw no word on Ray-Tracing or RDNA2
noboby should buy a 5500XT 8G for 210 or a 5600XT for 279 because some 1660 Super can be had for 235 (this are prices in Euro in germany)
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#11
trparky
Durvelle27
AMD ces last until the 10th so they can announce anytime
Yeah well, I was hoping for the Zen 3 stuff today.
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#12
Vya Domus
For the first time I am somewhat interested in mobile, we had enough of 4c/8t I7s in the last decade, things are finally picking up.
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#13
Mark Little
Cheeseball
I never mentioned the 1660 Super. They should be aiming at the 2060 non-Super with that price. Otherwise, just get a 5700 non-XT for potentially $280.



Update +1:

Dell G5 with the 4800H and 5600M or 5700M? I'm interested! If I don't have any CUDA workload, this would be great as a replacement for my 2018 G5.
Please provide link to a $280 5700?
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#14
Durvelle27
Mark Little
Please provide link to a $280 5700?
He's talking about Dell. They are selling a Reference VisionTek RX 5700 for $279 plus tax. They are literally the only ones though
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#15
notb
Not a single word about RTRT means the rumors likely were correct: RTRT solution in upcoming consoles is not provided by AMD.

Surprisingly poor 4800U. In the "creators" segment they've compared it to a 4-core casual gaming chip, not the 6-core "productivity" one.
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#17
dicktracy
Such a bad time to be a Threadripper fan right now. The prices are getting steeeeeeeeep!
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#18
R0H1T
trparky
Yeah well, I was hoping for the Zen 3 stuff today.
Pretty sure most of us were as well, too much suspense for me!

3980x will likely release a bit later?
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#19
Vya Domus
dicktracy
Such a bad time to be a Threadripper fan right now. The prices are getting steeeeeeeeep!
Yeah it's pretty terrible, why pay 4000$ for a 3990X when you can pay 3000$ for a W-3175X that's twice as slow most of the time. Intel provides such a good bang for buck.
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#20
trparky
R0H1T
too much suspense for me!
The suspense is killing me! :laugh:
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#21
dicktracy
Vya Domus
Yeah it's pretty terrible, why pay 4000$ for a 3990X when you can pay 3000$ for a W-3175X that's twice as slow most of the time. Intel provides such a good bang for buck.
Using Intel's overpriced price points to justify for AMD's overpriced price points lol. Fact is, Threadripper 3000 series owner threads are mostly empty in many PC forums like Overclock.net. Meanwhile, forum threads for 1000 and 2000 series are packed. So yes, Theadripper 3000 series is too expensive for Theadripper fans.
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#22
notb
dicktracy
Using Intel's overpriced price points to justify for AMD's overpriced price points lol. Fact is, Threadripper 3000 series owner threads are mostly empty in many PC forums like Overclock.net. Meanwhile, forum threads for 1000 and 2000 series are packed. So yes, Theadripper 3000 series is too expensive for Theadripper fans.
It's not too expensive for TR fans. It's just too expensive for consumers. 3950X is as well.
People who used to pay $500 for add 60% money even if it gives them 100% more oomph.
Ryzen offer good value, but the price is just beyond what people spend on PCs.

The target client for these $2000+ CPUs are enterprises, not consumers. And enterprises don't ask question on overclock.net etc.
Also, I don't get why this was launched at CES. Targeting consumer-wannabe-pros or whom?
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#23
Cheeseball
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dicktracy
Using Intel's overpriced price points to justify for AMD's overpriced price points lol. Fact is, Threadripper 3000 series owner threads are mostly empty in many PC forums like Overclock.net. Meanwhile, forum threads for 1000 and 2000 series are packed. So yes, Theadripper 3000 series is too expensive for Theadripper fans.
The 3950X is actually at a good price point for what it offers. AMD should've continued planning from there.

3950X - $750, enthusiast desktop, 16-cores, dual-channel memory, 24 PCI-E lanes
3960X - $1100 (to $1200 perhaps?), HEDT, 24-cores, quad-channel memory, 88 PCI-E lanes
3970X - $1800, HEDT, 32-cores, quad-channel memory, 88 PCI-E lanes (more or less matching 2990WX last year)
3980X - $2600, HEDT, 48-cores, quad-channel memory, 88 PCI-E lanes
3990WX - $3200 (to $3400?), HEDT, 64-cores, quad-channel memory, 88 PCI-E lanes

A 3960X at $1100 is a great entry point for would-be HEDT enthusiasts as they would also have to pay for the TRX40 motherboard and double the RAM.

A 3990WX at $3200 would be extremely attractive to those who had a 2990WX at $1800, considering that they would have to jump to the TRX40 platform. It also justifies the performance increase from one 64-core CPU to a newer gen 64-core CPU. $3990 seems like the price of some fictional 128-core CPU.

Hell, at $3000 it would still be able to screw Intel over if $2500 seems too cheap.

EDIT: 88 PCI-E lanes, kept thinking it's 64

EDIT AGAIN: For some reason I kept thinking 2990WX was a 32-core, so I based my pricing off that. Prices adjusted as fairly as I can predict based on history
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#24
kings
So, big Navi (if it will ever exist) and RDNA2 are still far away on the horizon. Ray Tracing probably too!

Let's get ready for another Nvidia price hike. It seems that AMD is not able to get out of the mid range anytime soon.
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#25
Cheeseball
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kings
So, big Navi (if it will ever exist) and RDNA2 are still far away on the horizon. Ray Tracing probably too!

Let's get ready for another Nvidia price hike. It seems that AMD is not able to get out of the mid range anytime soon.
I was hoping for BIG NAVI too as I don't want to buy a 2080 Super or overpriced 2080 Ti as an upgrade to my 5700 XT. Time to wait for the 3000 series.
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