Monday, May 18th 2020

Comprehensive Core i9-10900K Review Leaked: Suggests Intel Option Formidable

A comprehensive review of the Intel Core i9-10900K 10-core/20-thread processor by Chinese tech publication TecLab leaked to the web on video sharing site bilibili. Its testing data reveals that Intel has a fighting chance against the Ryzen 9 3900X both in gaming- and non-gaming tasks despite a deficit of 2 cores; whereas the much pricier Ryzen 9 3950X only enjoys leads in multi-threaded synthetic- or productivity benchmarks.

Much of Intel's performance leads are attributed to a fairly high core-count, significantly higher clock speeds than the AMD chips, and improved boosting algorithms, such as Thermal Velocity Boost helping the chip out in gaming tests. Where Intel loses hard to AMD is power-draw and energy-efficiency. TecLab tested the three chips with comparable memory- and identical graphics setups.

More charts follow.

The games above are Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Metro: Exodus, and Tomb Raider.

Find the video presentation (in Chinese language) here.
Source: TecLab (bilibili)
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159 Comments on Comprehensive Core i9-10900K Review Leaked: Suggests Intel Option Formidable

#126
EarthDog
Makaveli
You see it as a waste and I see it as an investment.

There are 3 components I never go cheap with in a build.

Motherboard
PSU
Monitor

I've been building pc's for about 25 years now there is nothing you can post that will change my opinion on this.

Everyone budget will be different but my recommendation stays the same, if you can afford to spend alittle bit extra do it.
But it isn't an investment. It's a depreciating asset.

You really aren't getting more out of the device spending more. You can parade around all you want that it can run warmer, but I'm only looking for PSUs to live past their warranty. How far is always a crapshoot. I could save that $20-$30 and put it towards another PSU several years down the road. Who the hell looks at a PSU well past their warranty and thinks... if I would have bought 100W more it would still be living? Come on........

I also didn't say to go cheap either. I'm saying to buy quality units that are appropriately sized and include enough headroom for additions and quiet operation. In this case, 650W is plenty. Look at the numbers I listed... that is actual from the wall (again 10% high due to PSU).

I know for decades my method has worked flawlessly personally and for the hundreds I've helped over that time in forums. People put WAY too much stock into 50% efficiency BS. Just because I can afford $20-$30 more, doesn't mean it should be done (again, no tangible returns in this case).

Again, let's move on. The information is there, people can choose to do whatever they want.
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#127
Bee9
EarthDog
If there is a $20-$30 difference, there is no way I would buy 750W over 650W in this case. None. That is $20-$30 wasted and never recovered.
Rather have a gold rated 650 than a cheapo 750w. Im running a 850w platinum and I think that will be enough to last for the next 5 years or so.

For this Intel generation, what I am afraid the most is the pricing. They cannot price the 10900k more than $500. Just too high for what it offers relative to the competition
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#128
EarthDog
Bee9
Rather have a gold rated 650 than a cheapo 750w. Im running a 850w platinum and I think that will be enough to last for the next 5 years or so.
Who wouldn't? What is your point here?

850W should last until that PSU dies or you go multiple high wattage GPUs...(and who is doing that these days?). It's overspent for single CPU/GPU rigs.

A quality 650W Gold unit is plenty for 90% of users using a single card. This wattage allows for ambient CPU overclocks as well as GPU overclocks while still living in the 50% to 75% range.
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#129
Decryptor009
Bee9
Rather have a gold rated 650 than a cheapo 750w. Im running a 850w platinum and I think that will be enough to last for the next 5 years or so.

For this Intel generation, what I am afraid the most is the pricing. They cannot price the 10900k more than $500. Just too high for what it offers relative to the competition
I have an 80 Plus Silver 1KW Silverstone Strider that is still fully functional after 11 years of abuse.
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#130
Makaveli
Bee9
Rather have a gold rated 650 than a cheapo 750w. Im running a 850w platinum and I think that will be enough to last for the next 5 years or so.

For this Intel generation, what I am afraid the most is the pricing. They cannot price the 10900k more than $500. Just too high for what it offers relative to the competition
i'm on Corsair AX850 Titanium with a 10 year warranty it will last no problem, my previous build has a Corsair AX750 Gold that came with a 7 year warranty and that still runs fine to this day. Both PSU's are very quiet probably the best one's i've owned in the last couple decades. I've used bunch of other brands in the last 20+ years and these are my favorites so far.

For this processor I'm going to be more curious about people slapping inadequate coolers on it then complaining about not hitting the higher clock speeds.
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#131
Bee9
EarthDog
Who wouldn't? What is your point here?

850W should last until that PSU dies or you go multiple high wattage GPUs...(and who is doing that these days?). It's overspent for single CPU/GPU rigs.

A quality 650W Gold unit is plenty for 90% of users using a single card. This wattage allows for ambient CPU overclocks as well as GPU overclocks while still living in the 50% to 75% range.
My point here is to get a just-enough-wattage and higher quality PSU rather than go for higher W and lower component quality. I hate changing PSU because that means re-doing the cable management. So, whatever goes in there will get stuck there for a lifetime.
Btw, I got it for the same price as the 650W (open box) so I just go for it. PSU sometimes have excess solder flux that smell terrible when first powerup and the 1st owner return it, so I grab it for really cheap.
Makaveli
For this processor I'm going to be more curious about people slapping inadequate coolers on it then complaining about not hitting the higher clock speeds.
Oh lovely summer is coming and it's gonna be HOT.
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#132
EarthDog
Everyone's anecdotes are amusing. I'll add to it.

Don't mind my 550W Sunbeam from Circa 2004(?) still going string powering an 1500X and RTX 2060 today.
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#133
Bee9
EarthDog
Everyone's anecdotes are amusing. I'll add to it.

Don't mind my 550W Sunbeam from Circa 2004(?) still going string powering an 1500X and RTX 2060 today.
Wonder how many of those relic still kicking around these days...
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#134
Decryptor009
EarthDog
Everyone's anecdotes are amusing. I'll add to it.

Don't mind my 550W Sunbeam from Circa 2004(?) still going string powering an 1500X and RTX 2060 today.
Anecdotes still work far superior to any objective thing with a PSU when you are comparing units that deliver their wattage and are decent or above, you can be very objective when it is a pile of junk vs a decent unit however.

Since failures happen to even the best PSU's... it becomes much more subjective at that point.
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#135
Bee9
Decryptor009
Since failures happen to even the best PSU's... it becomes much more subjective at that point.
Yeah I agree it's a subjective thingy and also a wallet matter. When $150 is 0.1% of monthly income vs 50% of monthly allowance.
But hey, since when this becomes a PSU thread... Come back to 10900K people!
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#136
EarthDog
Decryptor009
Anecdotes still work far superior to any objective thing with a PSU when you are comparing units that deliver their wattage and are decent or above, you can be very objective when it is a pile of junk vs a decent unit however.

Since failures happen to even the best PSU's... it becomes much more subjective at that point.
Anecdotes are a joke. I don't care what dick, tom, and jane do compared to the 10,000 other units sold. ;)

Yes, why would we talk about random failures that can happen to any unit?

You guys crack me up... love my avatar.

Have a great day, peeps! :)
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#137
Decryptor009
EarthDog
Anecdotes are a joke. I don't care what dick, tom, and jane do compared to the 10,000 other units sold. ;)

Yes, why would we talk about random failures that can happen to any unit?

You guys crack me up... love my avatar.

Have a great day, peeps! :)
Yes your old man arrogance won't ever change, it's always everyone else!

You just repeated what i said, where flat out objectification cannot and does not work.

Moving on...
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#138
WeeRab
EarthDog
I've already went over these talking points. The efficiency difference is NOTHING (a max of 3%, actual ~1%)..so that point isn't really one. Fans may spin up faster, sure... but again, I don't hear shit over 5 case fans and a GPU. Also note, my PSU fan barely turns on with a 4.5 GHz 16c/32T CPU (Intel) and a 2080 Ti overclocked. That isn't using any more power than the 10900K. ;)
Right. That is what we are talking about......QUALITY PSUs... not shit... come on. Even 5 year PSUs would be fine running a couple of C warmer. A quality PSU should run its label rating for the life of its warranty. Ya'll are making mountains out of mole hills causing you (and those reading) to overspend for no real reason.

If there is a $20-$30 difference, there is no way I would buy 750W over 650W in this case. None. That is $20-$30 wasted and never recovered.


Gentlemen......move on. Our points have been made. If you choose to spend more for little to no reason, that is on you/whoever is doing it. Im just here to say the reasons mentioned to go higher are soft at best. I've lived this life and have had zero issues over the last 2 decades. I've used 3 PSUs in that time. lol
Not so fast.
You've gone to great lengths arguing about a $20 - $30 difference in PSU's - And yet admit to spending $100's more on BS intel parts because of what? A couple of percentage points in gaming?
A pity your quest for efficiency doesn't extend to cold hard cash, "that is wasted and never recovered".
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#139
EarthDog
Decryptor009
Yes your old man arrogance won't ever change, it's always everyone else!
IN this case, yeah. I find it hilarious that people spend $20-$30 more on a PSU that almost literally yields nothing.
WeeRab
Not so fast.
You've gone to great lengths arguing about a $20 - $30 difference in PSU's - And yet admit to spending $100's more on BS intel parts because of what? A couple of percentage points in gaming?
A pity your quest for efficiency doesn't extend to cold hard cash, "that is wasted and never recovered".
Friend, the CPU I have I received for free (I'm a reviewer)... nice try though ;). Systems I have bought (for my kids) are AMD based. So, nice one, but incredibly misplaced. WTG. You and the other lemmings that thanked you are pretty cute assuming things about me.

Also, I get more out of my CPUs because I can utilize (not use) them. I was a competitive sub-ambient overclocker as well. So more cores/threads helps, and so do other chips with a lot faster clocks.
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#140
Decryptor009
EarthDog
IN this case, yeah. I find it hilarious that people spend $20-$30 more on a PSU that almost literally yields nothing.

Friend, the CPU I have I received for free (I'm a reviewer)... nice try though ;). Systems I have bought (for my kids) are AMD based. So, nice one, but incredibly misplaced. WTG. You and the other lemmings that thanked you are pretty cute assuming things about me.

Also, I get more out of my CPUs because I can utilize (not use) them. I was a competitive sub-ambient overclocker as well. So more cores/threads helps, and so do other chips with a lot faster clocks.
Do you see how everything you just mentioned is fully subjective?

"Subject to use" is what people should consider when we judge PSU choice, unless it is a load of garbage that will blow up.
Then we also have those who are clueless and could use a hand choosing an appropriate unit too, be objective with them.

We already know enough.. just sensless bickering and objectifying other peoples uses to stand out which is arrogance enough.
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#141
EarthDog
Yes. I take exception with people who prefer to spend more for nothing (and then try to justify it with BS reasons). My goal, as stated previously, is to get the info out there and let people decide. Hopefully I accomplished that initially before it devolved.

I digress.
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#142
Makaveli
EarthDog
Yes. I take exception with people who prefer to spend more for nothing (and then try to justify it with BS reasons).
Why its not coming out of your pocket? And why does your justification matter for someones else's purchase?
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#143
EarthDog
Makaveli
Why its not coming out of your pocket? And why is your jusification required someones else's purchase?
You're spot on, sir. I shouldn't care this much to force facts down people's throats and bemoan them when they do something seemingly illogical. But...that is, sadly, built in to my character. We all have demons.

Edit: Please note what I responded to initially. :)
www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/comprehensive-core-i9-10900k-review-leaked-suggests-intel-option-formidable.267287/page-5#post-4269115
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#144
Decryptor009
EarthDog
You're spot on, sir. I shouldn't care this much to force facts down people's throats and bemoan them when they do something seemingly illogical. But...that is, sadly, built in to my character. We all have demons.

Edit: Please note what I responded to initially. :)
We can all have a go at character flaws.. i do it enough, but i respect this post, thanks EarthDog.
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#145
EarthDog
I've been told I act like Sheldon Cooper if that helps us laugh.... I agree. Lol
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#146
coozie78
Jeez, guys, I was just pointing out that 550W would be pushing it for a big CPU/GPU combo, didn't expect things to get so heated.:mad:
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#147
KarymidoN
thesmokingman
Dude, drain ports are a waste of time. Get QDC's, then you can drain from the QDC. Dedicated drain ports are circa 2010.
i oderdered some but due to the whole pandemic apocalypse thing they never arrived, still in processing (i had to order from china, couldn't find any in brazil).
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#148
thesmokingman
KarymidoN
i oderdered some but due to the whole pandemic apocalypse thing they never arrived, still in processing (i had to order from china, couldn't find any in brazil).
You want two matching pairs. That way you can make a tubing extension with the extra pair. That tubing extension can then be cut to allow access to loop. You can point one end (low side) into a bucket, and grab the other and take a huge breath and blow the fluid out of the loop.
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#149
KarymidoN
thesmokingman
You want two matching pairs. That way you can make a tubing extension with the extra pair. That tubing extension can then be cut to allow access to loop. You can point one end (low side) into a bucket, and grab the other and take a huge breath and blow the fluid out of the loop.
thx bro, i ordered 4 matching pairs just bc chinese stuff tends to fail when shipped for 2-3 months to brazil (being kicked and smashed + poor packging + low quality). i like the result but i went with some pastel color fluid, qualit is good, but it creates a lot of grossness in the loop. i'll be going clear by the end of this month.
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#150
thesmokingman
KarymidoN
thx bro, i ordered 4 matching pairs just bc chinese stuff tends to fail when shipped for 2-3 months to brazil (being kicked and smashed + poor packging + low quality). i like the result but i went with some pastel color fluid, qualit is good, but it creates a lot of grossness in the loop. i'll be going clear by the end of this month.
Colored /dark tubing is best as that prevents biological growth. Btw with your QDC pair, you can then make/buy a drop in loop filter which is a must have tool. Pic below is from a massive new build I did and that's all the gunk from the first fill up and flush, yuck.

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