Tuesday, September 22nd 2020

NVIDIA RTX 3090 Dagger-Hashimoto Mining Performance Leaked; Ampere Likely Not on Miners' Minds

Alleged mining benchmarks of NVIDIA's upcoming RTX 3090 graphics card have leaked, and the scenario looks great for non-mining usages. The RTX 3090 is being quoted as achieving 120 MH/s on the ubiquitous Dagger-Hashimoto ETHash protocol. That number in itself is impressive - but not when one considers the cards' 350 W board power. granted, a 100% PL isn't the best scenario for mining - and one would expect no knowledgeable miners to use their graphics cards on the NVIDIA-shipped power-curve spot their graphics cards come in at (nor AMD cards, mind you).

The RTX 3080 may be a better example, as there have been more numerous benchmarks done on that particular GPU. It strikes the best balance in performance and power at around 65% PL (210 W), where it achieves 79.8 MH/s. However, previus-gen AMD RX 5700 XT graphics cards have been shown around 50 MH/s whilst consuming only 110 W (with underclocking and undervoltage), which, paired with that particular graphics card's pricing, makes it a much, much better bet for mining efficiency and return on investment. The point is this: reports of miners gobbling up RTX 3000 series stock are, at least for now, apparently unfounded. And this may mean us regular users of graphics cards can rest assured that we won't have to deal with miner-induced shortages. At least until AMD's Navi flounders (eh) to shore.
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24 Comments on NVIDIA RTX 3090 Dagger-Hashimoto Mining Performance Leaked; Ampere Likely Not on Miners' Minds

#1
Bubster
Good ...Leave the Graphics cards for gamers and PC enthusiasts... RTX launch has already seen enough frenzy and hysteria and disappointment.
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#2
Rob94hawk
Bubster
Good ...Leave the Graphics cards for gamers and PC enthusiasts... RTX launch has already seen enough frenzy and hysteria and disappointment.
Amen! Maybe I can finally get my hands on a 3090 before they're price gouged to death.
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#3
psyclist
I turned my Vega64 back on to mine while I WFH.

It gets 50Mh/s and consumes 130w. Ampere numbers are not good in comparison. RDNA2 on the other hand...gonna be a hell of an October for AMD!
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#4
BoboOOZ
Rob94hawk
Amen! Maybe I can finally get my hands on a 3090 before they're price gouged to death.
They come price-gouged from the factory :p
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#5
John Naylor
In the past the Titan served as a compromise single box solution for various industry segments. You wanted GTX for AutoCAD 2D and 3D Drafting and you wanted a Quadro for when ya needed to render those drawings; didn't hurt that it could be used as a killer more than decent box after hours. While the Quadro excelled at other workstation tasks, it was not a a good gamer or CAD card. I expected the 3090 to fill that space in this market niche, unfortunately all the leaked numbers, ones I have seen at least, haven't hinted at how well it might fill this role.

Over the years, we've received build list from well shod users who, it would seem, just went to pcpartpicker and picked the most expensive parts in each category ... even with placeholders for "the next big thing". I have gotten 3 buld lists from a user whc wants a dualie system (2 systems inside same case) with the 24 core threadripper doing ITX server duty and an ATX gaming system. Each time, when whatever he was waiting for comes out, he heard rumors of the next big thing and postpones the build. Im don't think I will be alive at this rate when he is ready to build ... and I'm getting more and more reluctant to be involved ... would have walked away but it's a good friend's nephew.

We won't really know the value of the 3090 till we see what it does in real world applications and we can compare it to both consumer and gaming cards.
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#6
R-T-B
Bubster
Good ...Leave the Graphics cards for gamers and PC enthusiasts... RTX launch has already seen enough frenzy and hysteria and disappointment.
That's exactly what's happening.
Raevenlord
The point is this: reports of miners gobbling up RTX 3000 series stock are, at least for now, apparently unfounded.
Told ya all.
psyclist
gonna be a hell of an October for AMD!
or miners.
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#7
TheDeeGee
Good, fuck miners and all they stand for.
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#8
fynxer
With the shortage as it is now miners could still have impact on retail supply.

Sure, the demand isn't like the mining boom 2017 BUT I am seeing several people building 4-6 pcs 3080 card rigs on forums.

All cards that goes to miners are cards not ending in gamers hands.

ALSO many miner have good contacts with distributors buying stock out the backdoor and thus taking away stock that supposed to go to retail.

This means it will be even harder to get a card when you are competing with both scalpers and miners for cards.
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#9
Vayra86
Rob94hawk
Amen! Maybe I can finally get my hands on a 3090 before they're price gouged to death.
You don't need scalpers for that, Nvidia can get there all on her own, evidence being the MSRP
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R-T-B
fynxer
Sure, the demand isn't like the mining boom 2017 BUT I am seeing several people building 4-6 pcs 3080 card rigs on forums.
I'm really surprised if so. Links?
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#11
neatfeatguy
fynxer
ALSO many miner have good contacts with distributors buying stock out the backdoor and thus taking away stock that supposed to go to retail.
I'd find it funny as hell if Nvidia found these distributors and then just 86'ed them from their list of distributors for doing something like this.....but we all know that will never happen.
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#12
R-T-B
TPU: Writes article with evidence about how miners did not cause shortage.

TPU Users: Yet more theories about how to stop the miners.
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#13
SamuelL
fynxer
Sure, the demand isn't like the mining boom 2017 BUT I am seeing several people building 4-6 pcs 3080 card rigs on forums.

All cards that goes to miners are cards not ending in gamers hands.
...
Very doubtful these are miners, only people I’ve heard of trying to get their hands on multiple 3080s are folks building ML rigs. As the article above mentions, these cards don’t make sense for mining at the moment. Might change in the future if developers tailor a miner to the cards, but for now you’re better off with an AMD rig.

Anyways, no point in getting angry over anyone building a machine learning system with several cards. Mining might be pointless but ML systems are probably being used for work or school - hard to argue gaming should take precendence over that.
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#14
R-T-B
SamuelL
Very doubtful these are miners, only people I’ve heard of trying to get their hands on multiple 3080s are folks building ML rigs. As the article above mentions, these cards don’t make sense for mining at the moment. Might change in the future if developers tailor a miner to the cards, but for now you’re better off with an AMD rig.

Anyways, no point in getting angry over anyone building a machine learning system with several cards. Mining might be pointless but ML systems are probably being used for work or school - hard to argue gaming should take precendence over that.
Yep, most photos I've seen attributed to miners have actually been compute machines of some sort. Kind of hillarious as they are arguably more important customers than gamers because they usually are used in scientific research. They also have to get cards, but their impact on supply is generally pretty low.


There's a reason no threads are being posted of miners building GTX 3080 rigs from btctalk... because no one is.
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#15
Ubersonic
Bubster
Good ...Leave the Graphics cards for gamers and PC enthusiasts... RTX launch has already seen enough frenzy and hysteria and disappointment.
Sadly part of that disappointment is due to the mining demand for the 3080. >50% more performance than a 2080ti for almost half the price and nearly double the performance of the 5700 for double the price is tempting for many miners, especially as that performance is guaranteed to rise as tuning/software gets better.
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#16
yotano211
BoboOOZ
They come price-gouged from the factory :p
A little birdie told me to give you "laugh" upvote and be on your way.
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#17
TranceHead
Equihash is better for nVidia cards.
I'd like to see sol/s rate for ZEC myself.
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#18
yotano211
TheDeeGee
Good, fuck miners and all they stand for.
Stop with them negative waves
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#19
nguyen
This is probably down to the use of GDDR6X, back then with Pascal, the mining efficiency were lower with GDDR5X memory. That didn't stop miners from gobbling up all the 1080 Ti and 1080 though.
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#20
mahirzukic2
TheDeeGee
Good, fuck miners and all they stand for.
Why all the hate? I used to be a miner back in the day. Had 2 rigs with 4 GPUs each with a custom made wooden frame, my dad helped me build.
I used it in the winter as a heater, while in the summer I placed it on top of concrete beam which ran through the middle of my dad's woodworking shop.
Ah, the good times.
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#21
Octopuss
I thought mining died about three years ago at least.
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#22
mahirzukic2
If you check the charts, you will see that it's still profitable. So I guess that it's still alive.
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#23
Wshlist
The cost metric only applies to miners who use their own cards instead of sneaking it into popular software of website hacks to use unsuspecting victim's cards.

My advise is to try to remember what new sites you visit and what software you install and where you got that software so you know who the culprit was when your system is suddenly slow as molasses.
In my experience too many people can't answer the 'so what did you install right before?' or 'Where did you Download it?' when they tell you about such issues.
You can sort by date in the windows (un)install list though.

It's doubly annoying since it gives companies like MS an excuse to come with their goddamn 'app stores'.
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#24
Ubersonic
Octopuss
I thought mining died about three years ago at least.
It's "died" at least a dozen times since 2010. When people say it's dead what they mean is the returns are too low to make it tempting for the average user. I.E the card won't pay for itself in a couple of months. the popularity comes and goes in waves. I.E it was supposed to be "dead" in 2017 but by the end of the year the Vega 56/64 were the hottest selling cards on the planet and BTC was at over 10x it's value at the start of the year.

From what's been reported so far the RTX3090 only has about 10% more mining performance than the current king the RTX3080 so it's unlikely to see as much of a mining demand (today at least, performance of new cards improves over time, I.E the Vega cards saw a 50% improvement after a week of launch).
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