Monday, October 26th 2020

Absent of Official Announcement, NVIDIA RTX 3060 Ti Graphics Cards Up for Preorder in China

Chinese marketplace Taobao has a number of retailers listing NVIDIA's RTX 3060 Ti graphics card for pre-order - a graphics card that hasn't officially been confirmed by NVIDIA. The Taobao listings fall within the 2049 to 2999 Yuans (305 to 446 USD) range; however, expectations are that NVIDIA's MSRP for the card won't be above $400. That retailers are already listing the card should all but confirm its existence, and marks an interesting way for NVIDIA to operate, introducing the Ti model before the actual RTX 3060 graphics card.

Current information places the RTX 3060 Ti as using the same 392 mm², 17.4 B transistor GA104 chip as the RTX 3070, albeit under the GA104-200 nomenclature; the chip is expected to leverage 4,864 CUDA cores, 152 Tensor Cores, and 38 RT Cores (the RTX 3070 features 5888, 184, and 46 of these respectively). Base clock is apparently set at 1410 MHz with up to 1665 MHz Boost, and should feature the same 8 GB GDDR6, 14 Gbps memory subsystem as the RTX 3070. The RTX 3060 Ti is expected to launch come mid-November, and perhaps we'll hear more about it when NVIDIA officially introduces the RTX 3070 graphics card.
Sources: Taobao, via Videocardz
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106 Comments on Absent of Official Announcement, NVIDIA RTX 3060 Ti Graphics Cards Up for Preorder in China

#26
AusWolf
RedelZaVedno
Inflation between 2015-2020 = 9.8% - > www.usinflationcalculator.com/

GTX 960 (2015) = 199 USD / RTX 2060 (2018) = $349 USD -> 75% price increase in 3 years
GTX 970 (2015) = 329 USD / RTX 2070 = $499 USD / RTX 3070 = 499 USD -> 51% price increase in 3 years
GTX 980TI (2015) = 649 USD / RTX 2080 TI = $999 (on paper $1.2K in reality) / RTX 3090 = 1.499 USD -> +53/230% in 3/5 years

That's not inflation, that's pure greed.
Nvidia has been doing the same with GPU prices as Intel on the CPU side (before Ryzen): without competition, they raise their prices as much as they can. Who wouldn't do the same? I would.

If you have the choice to get either $5 or $10, your choice will be quite obvious.

As long as people buy their products, they have no reason not to increase prices. It's not greed, it's business without competition.
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#27
Mats
Chrispy_
Adjusting for inflation when xx60 series cards were $200, that price point is like $270 now.
So?

I didn't even mention inflation



EVERYONE wants lower priced parts, but whining about it doesn't change anything, it just pisses off forum members.
Caring1
Ah yes, the covid tax that is used as an excuse to jack prices up.
You've been living under a rock if you think prices spiked just this year.
Nobody called RTX 2000 cheap.
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#28
lexluthermiester
RedelZaVedno
GTX 960 (2015) = 199 USD / RTX 2060 (2018) = $349 USD -> 75% price increase in 3 years
But with a 300% increase in performance.
RedelZaVedno
GTX 970 (2015) = 329 USD / RTX 2070 = $499 USD / RTX 3070 = 499 USD -> 51% price increase in 3 years
But with a 250% increase in performance.(also without any memory induced performance glitches)
RedelZaVedno
GTX 980TI (2015) = 649 USD / RTX 2080 TI = $999
But with a 350% increase in performance.
RedelZaVedno
RTX 3090 = 1.499 USD -> +53/230% in 3/5 years
First card in history to do 8k gaming at solid 60hz. Pay a premium price, get a premium product.

Why is it people always whine about price? Prices have been cut nearly in half as opposed to the RTX2000 cards and yet the RTX3000's are stumping on that gen. Entitled BS.
Mats
EVERYONE wants lower priced parts, but whining about it doesn't change anything, it just pisses off forum members.
Right?

People instead of whining, make the personal commitment to spend a bit of time to save money up and get the card you want.
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#29
Caring1
Mats
You've been living under a rock if you think prices spiked just this year.
Nobody called RTX 2000 cheap.
I never said they spiked just this year, but Covid is just another excuse to raise prices.

Back to the topic, based on the naming scheme INNO3D is one of the manufacturers, and they have a history of early releases and leaks in China.
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#30
RedelZaVedno
AusWolf
Nvidia has been doing the same with GPU prices as Intel on the CPU side (before Ryzen): without competition, they raise their prices as much as they can. Who wouldn't do the same? I would.

If you have the choice to get either $5 or $10, your choice will be quite obvious.

As long as people buy their products, they have no reason not to increase prices. It's not greed, it's business without competition.
I agree, and that's why we have to revive antitrust laws. Not only monopolies, duopolies and in some cases even oligopolies should be regulated.
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#31
AusWolf
RedelZaVedno
I agree, and that's why we have to revive antitrust laws. Not only monopolies, duopolies and in some cases even oligopolies should be regulated.
Either that, or people could just buy AMD instead of whining.

Buyers are the best regulators of prices. If everybody buys the same brand, no wonder prices go up.
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#32
RedelZaVedno
lexluthermiester
But with a 300% increase in performance.

But with a 250% increase in performance.

But with a 350% increase in performance.

First card in history to do 8k gaming at solid 60hz. Pay a premium price, get a premium product.

Why is it people always whine about price? Prices have been cut nearly in half as opposed to the RTX2000 cards and yet the RTX3000's are stumping on that gen. Entitled BS.


Right?

People instead of whining, make the personal commitment to spend a bit of time to save money up and get the card you want.
I'll never understand how can consumers justify unjustified price hikes, but hey everyone has right to have an opinion. Just food for thought: Nvidia's net profit margin over the last 10 years went up 40%, 27% just in the last 5 years. If that's OK with you, so be it. You're the one paying for it.
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#33
Mats
Caring1
I never said they spiked just this year, but Covid is just another excuse to raise prices.
It's not an excuse. it's about demand and availability.
RedelZaVedno
Inflation between 2015-2020 = 9.8% - > www.usinflationcalculator.com/

GTX 960 (2015) = 199 USD / RTX 2060 (2018) = $349 USD -> 75% price increase in 3 years
GTX 970 (2015) = 329 USD / RTX 2070 = $499 USD / RTX 3070 = 499 USD -> 51% price increase in 3 years
GTX 980TI (2015) = 649 USD / RTX 2080 TI = $999 (on paper $1.2K in reality) / RTX 3090 = 1.499 USD -> +53/230% in 3/5 years

That's not inflation, that's pure greed.
Nothing has change in rgards to prices since RTX 2000, and the 3090 is the successor to the latest Titan card, not 2080 TI.

So why are you bringing this up at a time when Nvidia DOESN'T raise the prices, aka RTX 3000?
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#34
Caring1
Mats
It's not an excuse. it's about demand and availability.
It's about milking the market.
Charging what the market will bare.
But hey, if consumers are dumb enough to pay for overpriced products, who am I to stop them.
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#35
Mats
RedelZaVedno
I'll never understand how can consumers justify unjustified price hikes, but hey everyone has right to have an opinion. Just food for thought: Nvidia's net profit margin over the last 10 years went up 40%, 27% just in the last 5 years. If that's OK with you, so be it. You're the one paying for it.
Nobody here does that, we're just being realistic here. Nothing you say in this thread will change the price, I'm pretty sure of that. :)
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#36
RedelZaVedno
AusWolf
Either that, or people could just buy AMD instead of whining.
I don't believe RDNA2 will be much cheaper. Nvidia is a market maker (owning 80% discrete DIY GPU market share) setting the prices and AMD doesn't look too eager to start a price war with them.
AMD controls gaming consoles, NVidia DIY GPU market. One big happy family and DIY PC enthusiasts get ripped off.
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#37
Mats
Caring1
It's about milking the market.
Charging what the market will bare.
But hey, if consumers are dumb enough to pay for overpriced products, who am I to stop them.
As opposed to AMD, Intel, Apple, etc?

It's not that you're all wrong, it's just that it's futile to bring up here.


Listen to people who talk about money and prices all day is just as boring as greed.
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#38
kapone32
The fact these are launching in China first does not bode well for us here in North America, Especially if you can preorder one.
RedelZaVedno
I don't believe RDNA2 will be much cheaper. Nvidia is a market maker (owning 80% discrete DIY GPU market share) setting the prices and AMD doesn't look too eager to start a price war with them.
AMD controls gaming consoles, NVidia DIY GPU market. One big happy family and DIY PC enthusiasts get ripped off.
We won't know until Wednesday we are also due a Polaris update. AMD and Nvidia are not friends.
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#39
AusWolf
RedelZaVedno
I don't believe RDNA2 will be much cheaper. Nvidia is a market maker (owning 80% discrete DIY GPU market share) setting the prices and AMD doesn't look too eager to start a price war with them.
AMD controls gaming consoles, NVidia DIY GPU market. One big happy family and DIY PC enthusiasts get ripped off.
We'll see. As far as I'm concerned, AMD's prices have been fairly alright recently. The problem is, people tend to ignore it because it's not the fastest and bestest on the planet. As long as people are willing to pay a premium for getting the shiniest new tech one day ahead of others, nvidia's monopoly and price increases are guaranteed. Just look at what has become of Apple.
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#40
Mats
Caring1
but Covid is just another excuse to raise prices.
Really?
For the first year ever we've seen severe shortages of Intel CPU's, AMD CPU's, and Nvidia cards simultaneously, and that's your conclusion? :rolleyes:

The bitterness in this thread never ends..
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#41
lexluthermiester
RedelZaVedno
I'll never understand how can consumers justify unjustified price hikes
You do not make the card, someone else does. You do not get to decide what is justified for someone else, only yourself. If you don't want to pay that price, ok, don't buy one. Simple as that.
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#42
RedelZaVedno
Mats
It's not an excuse. it's about demand and availability.


Nothing has change in rgards to prices since RTX 2000, and the 3090 is the successor to the latest Titan card, not 2080 TI.

So why are you bringing this up at a time when Nvidia DOESN'T raise the prices, aka RTX 3000?
3090 is not Titan, no matter how much Jensen wants you to believe it. It's still a part of GeForce line, rebranded 3080TI with lots of VRAM to justify it's price hike over 2080TI. Full Titan die is still in horizon.

Turing moved every tier up from pascal and Ampere cemented the deal. Profit margins went up and stayed up with Ampere pricing.
Mid range GTX 1070 costed $379 in 2016 and now ppl are praising Nvidia for being able to buy xx70 GPU for $500. How can 32% price hike (24% price hike adjusted for inflation) in 4 years look like a good deal? That's simply insane.
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#43
Turmania
Minjng craze and memory shortages drove up the prices of the gpu's. When the dust settled and prices gone back to normal, manufacturers saw an oppurtunity and drove up the prices. Started with Nvidia with 2xxxx series painted a curtain with ray tracing and it worked for them, AMD copied them with slight lower prices and here we are.
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#44
RedelZaVedno
AusWolf
We'll see. As far as I'm concerned, AMD's prices have been fairly alright recently. The problem is, people tend to ignore it because it's not the fastest and bestest on the planet. As long as people are willing to pay a premium for getting the shiniest new tech one day ahead of others, nvidia's monopoly and price increases are guaranteed. Just look at what has become of Apple.
I agree, that's why I say we need functioning antitrust laws. Just 2 asymmetrical market players is simply not enough for functioning market. I really hope Intel entering the market changes that. Apple is a bit different, because there still is fierce competition on the premium phone market like Samsung and Huawei so cartel deals between players are not as likely.
lexluthermiester
You do not make the card, someone else does. You do not get to decide what is justified for someone else, only yourself. If you don't want to pay that price, ok, don't buy one. Simple as that.
It's actually not that simple. We need market regulators to step in when market is not functioning properly or consumers get F... because cartel deals are formed, leaving consumer no option but to buy a product at elevated prices in the end.
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#45
Mats
RedelZaVedno
3090 is not Titan, no matter how much Jensen wants you to believe it. It's still a part of GeForce line, rebranded 3080TI with lots of VRAM to justify it's price hike over 2080TI. Full Titan die is still in horizon.
You know better than Jensen, interesting.

You do know that RTX Titan cost 2500USD, that's 1000USD more than the RTX 3090, how convenient.
RedelZaVedno
That's simply insane.
Either way, this all happened two years ago, dunno why we're still talking about it.

However the 2070 Founders edition was 100USD more at 600USD,
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#46
kapone32
RedelZaVedno
I agree, that's why I say we need functioning antitrust laws. Just 2 asymmetrical market players is simply not enough for functioning market. I really hope Intel entering the market changes that. Apple is a bit different, because there still is fierce competition on the premium phone market like Samsung and Huawei so cartel deals between players are not as likely.
There is no cartel between AMD and Nvidia (Why do you think TI cards exist). As much as people are focusing on the high end Polaris was a huge success for AMD. AMD is not (in my opinion) going to price the GPUs too high and indeed that is probably why Nvidia dropped prices as the next Gen consoles are going to be $599 US with more modern UI than Intel's best (PCIe 4.0) so they have to have a $300 to $400 variant that must be faster than anything in the consoles simply because of market dynamics. There have been enough lawsuits over the years to confirm that there is no love between AMD and NVidia but the acquisition of ARM will raise eyebrows.
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#47
KaitouX
lexluthermiester
First card in history to do 8k gaming at solid 60hz. Pay a premium price, get a premium product.

Why is it people always whine about price? Prices have been cut nearly in half as opposed to the RTX2000 cards and yet the RTX3000's are stumping on that gen. Entitled BS.
Would you say that the 1050Ti able to do 4K gaming at solid 60hz? If not, then the 3090 also isn't able to do 8K, DLSS is extremely limited to a few titles and isn't native, so even if the quality is better in the end it still is upscaling from a lower resolution. Also the 3080 is as much of a 8K gpu as the 3090, as it's not like the extra VRAM is needed as 8K is only possible with DLSS or normal upscaling.
RTX 3000 pricing is the same as RTX 2000 except for the 3090 at the moment, with 2070=3070 and 2080=3080 price wise.
Performance increases doesn't justify price increases when comparing old products against new ones, it's a stupid way to think when it comes to products like this as the prices would double every few years and performance per $ would never improve.
Mats
Nothing has change in rgards to prices since RTX 2000, and the 3090 is the successor to the latest Titan card, not 2080 TI.

So why are you bringing this up at a time when Nvidia DOESN'T raise the prices, aka RTX 3000?
The 3090 isn't successor to the Titan RTX, as it lacks many features that Titan cards had, it's more like a 2080 Ti successor with more memory than it should have.
Probably because prices are too high? RTX price hike was ridiculous, even if they didn't raise the prices this time, they still kept the stupid prices that came with Turing.
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#48
RedelZaVedno
Mats
You know better than Jensen, interesting.

You do know that RTX Titan cost 2500USD, that's 1000USD more than the RTX 3090, how convenient.
You have proven my point. that's why 3090 is not Titan, just rebranded 3080TI by marketing department. Just wait a few months. you'll see uncut prosumer Titan Ampere down the line, probably north of $2500. It's still less than Quadro line.
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#49
Mats
RedelZaVedno
You have proven my point. that's why 3090 is not Titan, just rebranded 3080TI by marketing department.
I didn't prove anything, as as you're the only one here who thinks Jensen doesn't know what he's talking about. In your mind it makes sense, I can see that.
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#50
bug
Mats
Mm yeah, no. Asking $500 for the 3070 isn't greedy, except if the customer is greedy.

So many people who thinks every new launch will bring bargain prices. Every launch. EVERY TIME.
Greediness goes both ways.
Well, it's natural for people to want more performance at lower prices. But it's a knee jerk reaction to call a seller greedy just because that doesn't happen with every single launch.
Haters gonna hate, you won't fix that on a forum. And you won't fix it using logic.
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