Tuesday, January 19th 2021

Samsung Officially Announces 870 EVO SATA SSD Series

Samsung today has officially taken the lid off their latest consumer-oriented SATA SSDs, the 870 EVO. The 870 EVO series from Samsung don't push the maximum storage density ceiling on traditional SATA consumer drives, topping out at a maximum 4 TB, but they do achieve that ceiling whilst making use of Samsung's 128-layer TLC (Triple-Layer-Cell) NAND, which offers increased endurance (and higher theoretical performance than) more widespread QLC-based SSDs (of which Samsung launched the 870 QVO back in July 2020).

Samsung quotes SATA sequential read and write speeds of 560 MB/s and 530 MB/s respectively, with a "variable SLC" cache (which means it decreases in maximum size as the available free drive space decreases). The drives are also quoted at 98K IOPS Random Read, and 88K IOPS Write, and feature the company's Intelligent TurboWrite to maintain the interface's SATA 6 Gbps saturation as long as possible before sustained performance degradation appears. Samsung claims the 870 EVO also delivers a nearly 38% improvement in random read speeds over the previous 860 model, and quotes a (TBW) rating of 2,400 TB (or a 5-year limited warranty, whichever comes first) for its 4 TB model. The 870 EVO is available in either 256 GB, 512 GB, 1 TB, 2 TB, or 4 TB capacities, with the drives' RAM buffer scaling almost accordingly (512 MB DDR3 for the 256/512 Gb models, 1 GB for the 1 TB, 2 GB for the 2 TB drive, and 4 GB for the 4 TB one. Pricing starts at $49,99 for the 256 GB model; 500 GB for $79.99, 1 TB for $139.99; 2 TB for $269.99; and 4 TB for $529.99.
Source: The Verge
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44 Comments on Samsung Officially Announces 870 EVO SATA SSD Series

#1
boulard83
Nope. Just nope. You can get NVMe at lower price or even SATA if you dont have NVMe slot available.

Why should you pay the Samsung tax ?
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Raevenlord
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boulard83Nope. Just nope. You can get NVMe at lower price or even SATA if you dont have NVMe slot available.

Why should you pay the Samsung tax ?
Because Samsung has vertical manufacturing integration from NAND to controllers to DRAM and it's more expensive to fabricate these like that? Oh wait...
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#3
Khonjel
boulard83Nope. Just nope. You can get NVMe at lower price or even SATA if you dont have NVMe slot available.

Why should you pay the Samsung tax ?
RaevenlordBecause Samsung has vertical manufacturing integration from NAND to controllers to DRAM and it's more expensive to fabricate these like that? Oh wait...
At this point, Samsung SSDs sell on brand recognition alone. It also helps that their NAND products (SSD and RAM) were never considered duds. But in regards to recent (and old) proof of bait and switch tactics used by various SSD makers, vertical integration also means that what you buy from Samsung, Micron, Intel (now SK Hynix) two or three years later after release will be the same product reviewed. It's not a guarantee but it hasn't been proven otherwise.
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#4
P4-630
boulard83You can get NVMe at lower price
If you run out of NVMe slots, SATA it is.

At the moment all my storage devices in my main rig are Samsung, never had any issues sofar, IMO it's good stuff.
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#5
Kohl Baas
P4-630If you run out of NVMe slots, SATA it is.
If you're a gamer, you will run out od PCIe lanes way before NVMe slots. I'm on a Ryzen system and I have to cut the main PCIe connector to half in order to give some to the second NVMe slot... Not that it'd make much difference, a percent or two, but still...
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#6
Gungar
boulard83Nope. Just nope. You can get NVMe at lower price or even SATA if you dont have NVMe slot available.

Why should you pay the Samsung tax ?
Because Samsung SSDs are way more endurant.
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#7
boulard83
GungarBecause Samsung SSDs are way more endurant.
I will just lol at this.
P4-630If you run out of NVMe slots, SATA it is.

At the moment all my storage devices in my main rig are Samsung, never had any issues sofar, IMO it's good stuff.
Nice quote without quoting the entire sentance that tell exacly what you just said.

"Nope. Just nope. You can get NVMe at lower price or even SATA if you dont have NVMe slot available."

I had Samsung SSD die on my few years back. Nothing is perfect.
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#8
kapone32
Kohl BaasIf you're a gamer, you will run out od PCIe lanes way before NVMe slots. I'm on a Ryzen system and I have to cut the main PCIe connector to half in order to give some to the second NVMe slot... Not that it'd make much difference, a percent or two, but still...
That is why if you are on AM4 that you need a high end (MSI X570 Unify) well specific board to make that not happen. It is why some X570 boards are $200+ CAD and the boards that support 2x8 lanes and 2xPCie4 M2 slots are $400 CAD. The only board that kicks that trend is the Asus X570 Prime Pro www.newegg.ca/asus-prime-x570-pro/p/N82E16813119196?Description=Asus%20X570%20Prime%20pro&cm_re=Asus_X570%20Prime%20pro-_-13-119-196-_-Productbut the Prime series is hit and miss for me. The funny thing is when these boards were first released only the most extreme boards were North of $300 but the MSI B550 M Pro Wifi is the cheapest 1/2 decent board and you get a good amount of lane allocation www.newegg.ca/msi-b550m-pro-vdh-wifi/p/N82E16813144331?Description=MSI%20B550%20M%20wifi&cm_re=MSI_B550%20M%20wifi-_-13-144-331-_-Product. What I like about it though is that it has an internal USB C header.

The problem that I have with Samsung SSDs is there is no reason that they should not be 1/2 of what they currently cost. The Seagate 520 is the same price as these drives but head and shoulders better than any SATA drive.
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#10
Tom.699
For me until recent stunt Samsung pulled with PRO drives Samsung was a synonym for a good SSD drive. Now, well, is like others, may be good or may not be, and no longer on top but they keep their prices there.
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#11
_UV_
So QVO is DOA thanks to QLC, and they try to recover loses by rising prices by 25% on average. Nice try we will wait a bit.
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#12
lexluthermiester
boulard83Nope. Just nope. You can get NVMe at lower price or even SATA if you dont have NVMe slot available.

Why should you pay the Samsung tax ?
Very simple reasons, Samsung makes some of the best NAND in the world and quality & workmanship of Samsung products is very high. Any other silly questions?
_UV_So QVO is DOA thanks to QLC, and they try to recover loses by rising prices by 25% on average. Nice try we will wait a bit.
While QLC being garbage is agreeable, the price increase is not because of a recovery drive. It has to do with supply constraints.
Raevenlordwith a "variable SLC" cache
So are these DRAMless or is the SLC cache mode in addition to?
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#13
ThrashZone
Hi,
Best thing I've found about sammy products they are the most likely to hit or exceed read/ wright spec's where most won't.
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#14
boulard83
lexluthermiesterVery simple reasons, Samsung makes some of the best NAND in the world and quality & workmanship of Samsung products is very high. Any other silly questions?
It's all up to you if you like to throw money away.
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#15
lexluthermiester
boulard83It's all up to you if you like to throw money away.
You call it a Samsung "Tax". Justify your argument with comparisons or some kind of plausible context. Otherwise put a cork in it...
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#16
Raevenlord
News Editor
lexluthermiesterVery simple reasons, Samsung makes some of the best NAND in the world and quality & workmanship of Samsung products is very high. Any other silly questions?


While QLC being garbage is agreeable, the price increase is not because of a recovery drive. It has to do with supply constraints.


So are these DRAMless or is the SLC cache mode in addition to?
The article states DRAM sizes throughout SATA capacities... SLC cache is always in addition (and SLC cache is nothing more than reserved TLC with a single bit written to, hence why the size of SLC cache reduces as drive occupation increases).
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#17
boulard83
lexluthermiesterYou call it a Samsung "Tax". Justify your argument with comparisons or some kind of plausible context. Otherwise put a cork in it...
Go read pretty much any reviews about similar SSD's from other compagnie and you will pretty much alwais read the same conclusion. "Similar performance and/or reliability for less money than samsung XXX model".
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#18
thegnome
This SSD isn't needed at all. Overpriced for just the same real-world performance as any new-ish SATA SSD. Anybody claiming it's for "quality and endurance" can leave. Any decent brand using decent MLC/TLC will last you for years and years and by that time it dies you're probably talking bad luck or you already have a newer SSD for a long time at that point.
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#19
lexluthermiester
RaevenlordThe article states DRAM sizes throughout SATA capacities... SLC cache is always in addition (and SLC cache is nothing more than reserved TLC with a single bit written to, hence why the size of SLC cache reduces as drive occupation increases).
Oops, glossed over that part... Sorry.
boulard83Go read pretty much any reviews about similar SSD's from other compagnie and you will pretty much alwais read the same conclusion. "Similar performance and/or reliability for less money than samsung XXX model".
For example?
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#20
boulard83
lexluthermiesterOops, glossed over that part... Sorry.


For example?
I already lost enough time on you today.

Have a nice day.
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#21
lexluthermiester
boulard83I already lost enough time on you today.

Have a nice day.
Aww, that was adorable.
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#22
bonehead123
Back in the day when the whole SSD thing started (and later nvme), I went with Sammy 'cause the choices were limited to a few brands back then, and almost every other consumer product in my home is made by Sammy (7 monitors, 5 Tv's, Fridge, Gas Range, Freezer, Washer, Dryer, and Dishwasher) and I have had very good luck with all of them....

However, nowadays there way more choices for SSD's & nvme's, at better prices, for same/similar performance & warranties for la good bit less moolah......so as with many things today, money talks and BS walks....

I'm not saying that every brand out there is as good as Sammy, but some are, and the chances of getting a name-branded dud is way lower than it used to be...

Having said that, as my old sammy's got full/too small, I replacing them with WD Black nvme's (10 so far) and have been really happy with them also :D
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#23
evernessince
lexluthermiesterOops, glossed over that part... Sorry.


For example?
www.techpowerup.com/review/hp-ex950-2-tb-m-2-nvme-ssd/14.html

Same warranty of 5 years and a higher estimated TBW. About half the price of the samsung 970 evo 2TB and 1% faster.

The days of samsung having a big lead are gone. SSDs in general are all very stable nowadays regardless of brand. The only exception might be a few extreme budget models but then again most extreme budget models still do very well until you fill them up completely.

If I had to choose a high performance SSD I'd be choosing between the EX950 and the SX8200 Pro, which both offer excellent warranties, price, performance, and TBW.

The only way I'd be buying a Samsung SSD is if they doubled their warranty. If they really think their SSDs are still the most reliable, they should put their money where their mouth is and actually show it. Otherwise their pricing is much too high nowadays to justify the cost.

Samsung still produces good products but I personally refuse to buy a product based solely on past performance 5 or more years ago.
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#24
ThrashZone
evernessincewww.techpowerup.com/review/hp-ex950-2-tb-m-2-nvme-ssd/14.html

Same warranty of 5 years and a higher estimated TBW. About half the price of the samsung 970 evo 2TB and 1% faster.

The days of samsung having a big lead are gone. SSDs in general are all very stable nowadays regardless of brand. The only exception might be a few extreme budget models but then again most extreme budget models still do very well until you fill them up completely.

If I had to choose a high performance SSD I'd be choosing between the EX950 and the SX8200 Pro, which both offer excellent warranties, price, performance, and TBW.

The only way I'd be buying a Samsung SSD is if they doubled their warranty. If they really think their SSDs are still the most reliable, they should put their money where their mouth is and actually show it. Otherwise their pricing is much too high nowadays to justify the cost.

Samsung still produces good products but I personally refuse to buy a product based solely on past performance 5 or more years ago.
Hi,
Funny you bring up adata 8200 pro's lol I returned three none of which came anywhere close to the advertised read/ wright spec's
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#25
MikeMurphy
I'm presently running a 1TB 850 Pro SATA on my x570 + 5900x + 64GB of RAM desktop.

I might be losing a fraction of a second here and there but really, it doesn't matter.
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