Friday, May 28th 2021

NVIDIA RTX 3080 Ti, 3060 LHR Tested in Cryptomining Workloads

Expreview have tested one of the latest RTX 3060 graphics cards of the LHR (Lite Hash Rate) nature, so as to discern exactly how cryptomining limited these LHR cards are in practice - and whether or not there are performance differences for non-mining related workloads such as gaming. The results are satisfying: the new RTX 3060 Lite Hash Rate puts out around 21 MH/s at 119 W - and it does so from the beginning of the workload, which didn't happen prior, when NVIDIA's solution was a poorly implemented driver check instead of a new device ID (it started at 40 MH/s and then decreased until it hit the LHR ceiling). The RTX 3060 also didn't show any performance difference compared to previous, non-LHR cards in gaming benchmarks, which might put some prospective buyers at ease.

Also leaked was the said RTX 3080 Ti mining score. Since this card is only coming out now, a way to differentiate it from existing stock is unneeded. But even if the RTX 3080 Ti doesn't carry the LHR suffix as does the RTX 3060 and eventually the 3070 and 3080 upon their re-release to the wild, it does pack in the same mining performance limiter. And the card was tested to deliver some 58 MH/s at a 199 W board power. One should be cautious about expecting swift prices back on the market, as miners shift their focus towards the RTX cards already in the second-hand market or the new CMP cards; one can only be hopeful that the actual gaming market is already well-furnished with cards enough that scalpers aren't able to contend with the (ideal?) overflow of stock on LHR cards.
Source: Videocardz
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69 Comments on NVIDIA RTX 3080 Ti, 3060 LHR Tested in Cryptomining Workloads

#51
64K
Caring1Found it.
I read the article about the interview with the guy that did that and he said he did it just to piss gamers off. What a jackass.
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#52
Caring1
64KI read the article about the interview with the guy that did that and he said he did it just to piss gamers off. What a jackass.
Looking on the bright side, he can't safely park it anywhere in public now. ;)
With those babies in view, he'll return to smashed windows and the GPUs gone.
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#53
Nkd
JismMining should be banned. It is respoonsible for at least 110 Terawatt Hours which is like sweden in total as a country. Do we really need this? No.
Banks should be banned for keeping electricity on from non renewable sources, all electric cars should be banned since they take electricity to charge. Gaming should be banned because it takes electricity. Would you like me to keep going on? There is 0 difference between you playing a game and someone mining to make money.
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#54
64K
NkdBanks should be banned for keeping electricity on from non renewable sources, all electric cars should be banned since they take electricity to charge. Gaming should be banned because it takes electricity. Would you like me to keep going on? There is 0 difference between you playing a game and someone mining to make money.
The problem is that miners are using gaming cards for mining to the point that gamers can't even buy one unless they don't mind getting scalped. If you want to know why I insist that RTX 3xxx and 2xxx are gaming cards then visit the site put up by Nvidia to market the cards to their intended audience. Here's the link:

shop.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/store/gpu/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us&category=GPU&gpu=RTX%203070

You will read about the 3xxx and 2xxx cards and their great value as gaming cards and absolutely nothing about the gaming cards as great for mining. They were never intended for miners by Nvidia.
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#55
R-T-B
64KThe problem is that miners are using gaming cards for mining to the point that gamers can't even buy one unless they don't mind getting scalped. If you want to know why I insist that RTX 3xxx and 2xxx are gaming cards then visit the site put up by Nvidia to market the cards to their intended audience. Here's the link:

shop.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/store/gpu/?page=1&limit=9&locale=en-us&category=GPU&gpu=RTX%203070

You will read about the 3xxx and 2xxx cards and their great value as gaming cards and absolutely nothing about the gaming cards as great for mining. They were never intended for miners by Nvidia.
Nvidia for that same reason really needs to make a compute/mining-centered card that blows all previous cards out of the water on that workload, but can't game.

Yes, that will likely require a new gpu arch, but it'd be worth it.
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#56
Pumper
R-T-BThe banking system is arguably responsible for more power consumption. This is a bad argument.
Only if you ignore the per transaction power consumption. The global banking system transfers trillions of dollars every day, while crypto in the tens of billions while using half the power (at least 100x more per transaction).
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#57
64K
PumperOnly if you ignore the per transaction power consumption. The global banking system transfers trillions of dollars every day, while crypto in the tens of billions while using half the power (at least 100x more per transaction).
That's the thing that most miners don't see when they make a direct comparison between total crypto energy usage and total banking system energy use. No one I know even uses crypto but everyone I know uses a checking account, CDs, credit cards, a debit card, a safe deposit box, go to physical branches, use ATMs and most have a mortgage and a car loan. Banks provide services for hundreds of millions of people so of course as a whole they use more power in total.
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#58
Keullo-e
S.T.A.R.S.
Still wondering that why they don't entirely disable this toy money crap..
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#59
R-T-B
PumperOnly if you ignore the per transaction power consumption. The global banking system transfers trillions of dollars every day, while crypto in the tens of billions while using half the power (at least 100x more per transaction).
Depends on the coin in question. This is certainly true for bitcoin but doubtful it is true for all coins.

As I said earlier, I strongly believe we are in a "beta" phase of cryptos development.
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#60
yotano211
64KThat's the thing that most miners don't see when they make a direct comparison between total crypto energy usage and total banking system energy use. No one I know even uses crypto but everyone I know uses a checking account, CDs, credit cards, a debit card, a safe deposit box, go to physical branches, use ATMs and most have a mortgage and a car loan. Banks provide services for hundreds of millions of people so of course as a whole they use more power in total.
Because you don't know people that have or use crypto doesn't mean that people don't use it.
I know people who mine and use crypto but I also know people who watch and star in pron movies.
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#61
Xaled
Jill ValentineStill wondering that why they don't entirely disable this toy money crap..
Because politicians are earning from it too
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#62
bug
Jill ValentineStill wondering that why they don't entirely disable this toy money crap..
Meaning?
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#63
Keullo-e
S.T.A.R.S.
bugMeaning?
I don't imagine anything other use for crypto than buying something illegal shit from deep web.
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#64
ThrashZone
Jill ValentineStill wondering that why they don't entirely disable this toy money crap..
Hi,
Governments are trying to figure out how they can get their cut first
If they fail to effectively get enough they will ban it's use until they can get the free funds out of coin exchanges and the individuals that have and use it.
Governments produce nothing but taxes and fee's
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#65
bug
ThrashZoneHi,
Governments are trying to figure out how they can get their cut first
If they fail to effectively get enough they will ban it's use until they can get the free funds out of coin exchanges and the individuals that have and use it.
Governments produce nothing but taxes and fee's
You can't really plan anything on top of crypto's volatility.
But yes, if it's income, it should be taxed as such.
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#66
R-T-B
Jill ValentineI don't imagine anything other use for crypto than buying something illegal shit from deep web.
Yes, my EVGA z270 FTW I bought from newegg some years back was certainly imaginary/illegal. Heck, why not both.

that's a /s, it should go without saying but...
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#67
chrcoluk
What people will be learning that even if crypto goes down, you can still mine but just hold onto it and wait for it to go up again before selling.

It needs adding to the tax system, then I guess loads would stop. Governments need to get a hold of digital currency exchanges where people sell it and tax at that point.
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#68
heliosgnosis
renz496this will not be a paper launch.
June 23rd 2021, cough cough, yeah it was once again. Nvidia is after only money and is not for any party except the ones carrying the most cash. This LHR crap is only to pre pump the hype BS train for their overpriced mining only Ewaste nightmare everyone should be crying about instead of that miner got my card, no actually that scalper got your card miners are just for the most part in the position to buy that over priced card from the scalper.
chrcolukWhat people will be learning that even if crypto goes down, you can still mine but just hold onto it and wait for it to go up again before selling.

It needs adding to the tax system, then I guess loads would stop. Governments need to get a hold of digital currency exchanges where people sell it and tax at that point.
They already do that and it has not stopped anyone BTW have been doing it for 6 months now and take a look at the first quarter of 2021. That said, lets give credit where credit is due, it is not miners that are causing the supply shortage but scalpers and it is also not out of the question that NVIDIA limits how much they make now to rise that demand in the consumer market for gpus, knowing for a fact scalpers will get the cards and pretty much only miners and well off money wise consumers can even afford to buy one, then pump out the LHR cards to piss off miners to in turn get them to buy the ewaste mining only cards Nvidia had planned beginning to middle of last year for this year, then consumer cards back on shelves with one catch, the price is 25-50% MSRP vs before, all because of the situation having the greedy nvidia dumping gas on the fire on purpose for profit, once again it is all about the money, Nvidia is smart enough to know LHR cards for 1 ALGO would do nothing but make those who Nvidia want's to buy their ewaste mining only 2021 cards angry, but for what it is worth, Nvidia may have announced this but NO WHERE on the box or card does it mention LHR, a huge lawsuit could be slapped on them with 10s of million jumping on board to the false advertising that has taken place with ZERO indication the card in the box is LHR which is the same as selling damaged product except they did it on purpose, they would lose in half a heart beat in court, if I was a lawyer I would be all over that like files to sh** because it is coming and I hope Nvidia loses 100 million plus in the process to teach them you cannot play with consumers minds, hearts and wallets and not face any penalty. Context, if they limited all algos then Nvidia would have a defense but to target one algo for a test run then apply same to all RTX cards is targeting the future buyers of their mining only cards, meaning they did not place LHR on the box or card on purpose to get future sales from the only crowd of consumers wanting that card to not have a lite hash rate on ethereum, that is illegal under US law and international trade law btw I cannot wait for a huge group of hard up miners to start the lawsuit against them and run them through the dirt. They are the company who has mentioned many times before they want to charge monthly for drivers and rental of gpu cloud gaming to in that order to replace making massive e-waste card for shelves, yet at present they do not even seem to have a shortage or care about e waste only money, their agenda and ethics on the whole is for themselves and profit, I do not see them winning a case with these facts and terms in any court of law in any nation
ThrashZoneHi,
Governments are trying to figure out how they can get their cut first
If they fail to effectively get enough they will ban it's use until they can get the free funds out of coin exchanges and the individuals that have and use it.
Governments produce nothing but taxes and fee's
They could, but there are dozens of privacy coins that they probably use themselves to hide wealth as have 10s of millions over the years along with the anonymous exchanges to turn it into an easy to liquidate off the books crypto in 1 transaction all with no one knowing anything except so and so address somewhere on earth turned this much privacy coin into this crypto then fiat and that is all the info they have and probably ever will have, bitcoin began almost 2 years before the surface web knew it existed, it is a hacker creation and a good one, a currency that cannot be stolen before you get it "taxes on a paycheck get money stolen before you get it because the government does not even give you the chance to pay, they assume all citizens cannot be trusted and are tax evaders doing this" so you keep your wealth in a vault no government of thief can break in and have a glory day with, your transaction history has no info other than how much is in a wallet and what was sent at so and so time to so and so address not geo locate data or personal info unless your on an exchange. All and all a currency the common person can control, that cannot be stolen, audited, frozen, drained dry because the government says you owe them, and at this moment in time the largest bitcoin holder has but 10% of the sum total, with the majority having 1-8% closer to that lower number, that means the invention was a success and the sooner people wake up to the fact that this is what makes crypto better than government controlled fiat currency the better off all normal people will be. Those who rule have forgotten they only have power and the wealth to so have that power because of their citizens to which today it is common practice to take as much as they like from them for any given cause and pretend to have our best interests at heart when we all know it is a show and a game that has gone on for to long and needs to change with a nice wake up call to so remind them, the people are what matters and the source of all their power, wealth and might, this is the essence of the group who created bitcoin purpose, and I would say the plan is panning out very well thus far. Remember this long run on sentence about a decade from now, you will see.
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