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Possible Intel 12th Gen Core Pricing Leaked, i9-12900K Costs 741€

Sep 2nd, 2021 04:00 Discuss (65 Comments)

The top Intel 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake-S" 8+8 (P+E) cores processor will cost 741€ including taxes, according to a leaked document revealing retail channel prices of various upcoming 12th Gen Core desktop processors. It also speaks of the i9-12900KF, the "almost-flagship" part that comes with a disabled iGPU, going for up to 708€ (incl taxes).

The Core i7-12700K, the 8+4 (P+E) cores part that lacks Thermal Velocity Boost, will go for up to 524€ (incl taxes). Its "KF" twin will be about 20€ cheaper. The mid-tier Core i5-12600K processor (6 P-cores and 4 E-cores), is going for up to 365€. Not long ago, this was the roughly the price of Intel's top mainstream-desktop processors (such as the i7-7700K). The iGPU-devoid i5-12600KF will go for 333€. Intel is expected to debut its 12th Gen Core desktop processors and compatible Socket LGA1700 motherboards in Q4-2021, along the sidelines of the Windows 11 launch. The first wave of processors are expected to only be unlocked K or KF parts, with locked ones only arriving in early Q1-2022.

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65 Comments on Possible Intel 12th Gen Core Pricing Leaked, i9-12900K Costs 741€

#26

napata

Chrispy_These leaked prices are almost always the x1000 quantity prices. Once you factor in retailer markup and current supply/demand/scalping there's no way you can compare actual street price of a 5950X to the pre-launch MSRP target of an unreleased processor.

Again, just speculation and this is an unverified leak from the Netherlands, where actual street prices on CPUs are around 20% higher than list price anyway.

Yeah, in cherry picked tests like geekbench, sure.

I'm not doubting that Intel have closed the gap but until independent reviews confirm it, we'll continue to cast doubt on leaked performance in select tests with no controlled baseline. Decades of this have proven them to be inaccurate, so you'll have to forgive my lack of trust in leaked one-off geekbench scores.

These leaked prices are literally store prices from 3 different stores and what they think they can get away with at launch. Real street prices will be lower after a month. Same thing happened with RL. In fact it even lists the 11900k's price and I can still get it for 40€ cheaper here in the Benelux than from those stores so that also tells me these are expensive stores.

Earlier CB leaks matched the Geekbench leaks. I'm more interested in gaming leaks honestly and how much better performance is over Zen 3 & RL.

#27

watzupken

lynx29AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.

This is likely one of the reasons. Other reason is because people may be anticipating the arrival of Alder Lake and Ryzen 6000 CPUs. Considering that Ryzen 5000 chips are still very costly, there is little incentive for high demand to persist. Might as well wait for next gen.

napataThese leaked prices are literally store prices from 3 different stores and what they think they can get away with at launch. Real street prices will be lower after a month. Same thing happened with RL. In fact it even lists the 11900k's price and I can still get it for 40€ cheaper here in the Benelux than from those stores so that also tells me these are expensive stores.

Earlier CB leaks matched the Geekbench leaks. I'm more interested in gaming leaks honestly and how much better performance is over Zen 3 & RL.

This may be the trend in the past, but with the current chip shortage, that price drop may not happen. It is like when Rocket Lake was first release, the prices was actually lower at launch, particularly for the i5 11400 and 11500 chips. Now, those chips are generally not in stock, or sold at an inflated price on Amazon.

#28

napata

watzupkenThis may be the trend in the past, but with the current chip shortage, that price drop may not happen. It is like when Rocket Lake was first release, the prices was actually lower at launch, particularly for the i5 11400 and 11500 chips. Now, those chips are generally not in stock, or sold at an inflated price on Amazon.

I just checked on a pricewatch and that's not true for any of the K-skus. They're all cheaper than at launch. Not by much though but initial launch prices were already lower than the initial leaks as those stores. I guess Intel, like AMD, is more interested in selling high end SKUs as they're more profitable.

#29

RJARRRPCGP

napataI'm going to bet that early DDR5 is going to be a good deal slower than high end DDR4, atleast for games. For most games latency > raw bandwidth.

Reminds me of early DDR2 being slower than DDR1, for latency, LOL!

#30

AusWolf

RJARRRPCGPReminds me of early DDR2 being slower than DDR1, for latency, LOL!

That's always the case. Early DDR3 was slower / on par with late DDR2, early DDR4 was slower / on par with late DDR3. Being an early adopter of any technology is either disproportionately expensive, or doesn't bring any perceptible benefit (it's funny coming from an RTX 2070 owner, but still). I'm sure this will be the case with Alder Lake as well. It will either be too expensive as suggested by the article, or software won't evolve fast enough to use its unique architecture properly until the next generations have already made it obsolete - kind of what happened with AMD's Bulldozer. I'd rather wait until the technology has had time to mature before upgrading from Coffee Lake and up.

#31

Unregistered

Intel's pricing is dumb, the i9 "11th gen" is usually more expensive than the 5900x at this price it'd be more expensive than the 5950x.

#32

Chrispy_

napataThese leaked prices are literally store prices from 3 different stores and what they think they can get away with at launch. Real street prices will be lower after a month. Same thing happened with RL. In fact it even lists the 11900k's price and I can still get it for 40€ cheaper here in the Benelux than from those stores so that also tells me these are expensive stores.

Earlier CB leaks matched the Geekbench leaks. I'm more interested in gaming leaks honestly and how much better performance is over Zen 3 & RL.

Gaming's likely to be very similar to Rocket Lake I suspect. 8C at similar speeds on similar architecture.

The big unknown is how hot and power hungry Alder Lake will be. On the one hand, it's 10nm. On the other hand, Intel's 10nm hasn't been scaling up to larger power envelopes well. I guess we'll all find out soon!

#33

defaultluser

lynx29AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.

Well, now that we have the 5600G / 5800G, you have an alternative.

While Alder Lake will be slightly faster CPU than the AMD APUs, the number of EUs is expected to remain castrated at 32 for the desktop part!

AMD still has this GPU-less battle easily-won through the following year; Intel don't believe in their 10nm process enough to produce an 8/8/64sp chip!

#34

Chrispy_

defaultluserWell, now that we have the 5600G / 5800G, you have an alternative.

While Alder Lake will be slightly faster CPU than the AMD APUs, the number of EUs is expected to remain castrated at 32 for the desktop part!

AMD still has this GPU-less battle easily-won (through the following year)!

Yeah - the 80EU i5 mobile parts barely cut it. They competitive with Vega6 in some titles but fall way behind in others. at 32EU it's basically a 2D GPU unless the game requirements are unusually low.

#35

RedelZaVedno

i5-12600K processor (6 P-cores and 4 E-cores), is going for up to 365€

:peace:GREED RULES:peace:I'm just waiting for release of Arc. Intel's GPU PR guy said to PCWorkd that we should expect competitive pricing in CURRENT market conditions. I can't wait to see all the disappointed faces when Intel's 3070 competitor costs $479 MSPR and sells for 800 bucks on streets. Buy 10600KF for 190 bucks while you still can. DIY PC building is being killed cut by cut.

#36

AusWolf

Xex360Intel's pricing is dumb, the i9 "11th gen" is usually more expensive than the 5900x at this price it'd be more expensive than the 5950x.

11th gen Core i9 doesn't make sense. i7 SKUs are basically the same chips with lot lower price tags. Intel seems to be "correcting" this "mistake" with Alder Lake.

#37

Metroid

Prima.VeraScumbag prices, just like NGreedia. Too bad the people are stupid enough to pay for those callous prices....

Yeah, they will likely blame the virus/shortage for such high prices, it has become a very common excuse. If it was not for AMD, we would still have a 14+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ from intel forever.

#38

Vayra86

lynx29AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.

Pretty good point! I might be looking out for that retro gaming system soonish. Something cheap and light weight with an IGP... that is all I need :) 6 threads...

#39

Makaveli

napataWell, if the performance leaks are true then the average core in AL is faster than the average core in Zen 3. It's also a good deal cheaper than the 5950x going by the 11900K price.

I'm going to bet that early DDR5 is going to be a good deal slower than high end DDR4, atleast for games. For most games latency > raw bandwidth.

"average core in AL is faster than the average core in Zen 3"

Replace average with the performance cores which are only 8 the E cores will not be faster than zen 3.

#40

Bomby569

it's not very far off from the 5950x or am i missing something. Less few cores but also has igpu and it's faster. I don't find it that offensive.

#41

moob

watzupkenThis is likely one of the reasons. Other reason is because people may be anticipating the arrival of Alder Lake and Ryzen 6000 CPUs. Considering that Ryzen 5000 chips are still very costly, there is little incentive for high demand to persist. Might as well wait for next gen.

Depends on where you are mate. I can walk into a Micro Center today and grab a 5800X for $350 or an 11700K for $300. Both with plenty of stock. You might not be able to find lower-end current gen chips at a great price, but you can get a 10700K for $250 or a 3700X for $220. The 9700K is $200.

And I'm gonna preempt the folks who are gonna try to come in here and say that MC prices don't matter because they have a limited audience. Look at the population centers around MC stores and then compare that to a lot of markets around the world. MC's reach is significant even though it's fairly limited (probably around 20 million or so just for the Tustin store in southern CA depending on how far people want to drive). Though you could always price match at a Best Buy or something that's closer to you.

#42

Turmania

with every launch one camp raises the prices over other, I wonder what AMD will do when they release 6xxx series.

#43

docnorth

@napata is right, a title like leaked prices for 12900K vary from 653 up to 741 euros would be more appropriate for a site like TPU and still get the same clicks.

#44

Upgrayedd

lynx29AMD has had a surplus of CPU's for a month now, they can't sell anymore CPU's cause there are no GPU's for anyone to buy. I imagine Intel will be in a similar boat.

Idk I've seen A LOT of people complain they have all the parts for their new PC but no GPU. I don't think people are not buying them because they don't have a gpu.

#45

freeagent

I wonder if you will need to use W11 with these new CPUs to take advantage of the new scheduler. If they can make my 5900X look like shit for half the price I will buy one with a high end board. I think DDR5 will be different boys. Don’t just look at the timings, everything about it is not like we know right now with our hardware.

#46

Makaveli

freeagentI think DDR5 will be different boys. Don’t just look at the timings, everything about it is not like we know right now with our hardware.

DDR5 will be no different than every other memory version that predated it.

Slow at the start will be better once the speed rams up and vendors start producing quality modules.

#47

watzupken

napataI just checked on a pricewatch and that's not true for any of the K-skus. They're all cheaper than at launch. Not by much though but initial launch prices were already lower than the initial leaks as those stores. I guess Intel, like AMD, is more interested in selling high end SKUs as they're more profitable.

I guess the launch is imminent since we are approaching Q4. So we can see if that is the case then. In my opinion, the K SKUs may be Intel's higher end chips, but they tend not to sell that well. In addition, they don't have a lot of wriggle room for pricing when they are on 14nm, and capped to 8 cores. With Alder Lake, Intel may become more competitive, hence, I feel there is less incentive to sell their chips cheap. No point guessing here, we'll know in due course.

Turmaniawith every launch one camp raises the prices over other, I wonder what AMD will do when they release 6xxx series.

I guess they will most likely do so given that TSMC is already increasing prices for producing the chips.

#48

Tom Sunday

For me...it's not about the price. It's all about the performance. If Intel gives me the satisfaction, I will gladly pay $1000 for running a Alder Lake CPU and a corresponding premium MB, etc.

#49

RJARRRPCGP

watzupkenI feel there is less incentive to sell their chips cheap.

That sounds like Intel during the FX era from mostly 2012 to 2016.

#50

Bomby569

RJARRRPCGPThat sounds like Intel during the FX era from mostly 2012 to 2016.

It's not like AMD didn't increase their prices since they got the upper hand, 50$ if i'm not mistaken. The 1400F was way cheaper then the 3600 for example.

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