Friday, December 3rd 2021

Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

Microsoft Windows 11, now nearing its third month since release, is for all intents and purposes, a flop. Market research by Lansweeper, which surveyed over 10 million PCs across the commercial and personal market segments, reports that less than 0.21% of the users it surveyed, had upgraded from Windows 10 to the newer operating system. The upgrade is free of charge. There may be several factors contributing to this lukewarm market response, but one of them is certain to he the steep hardware requirements. Windows 11 requires a trusted platform module (TPM 2.0), which disqualifies PCs older than 2018 for upgrades, unless the user is willing to try out workarounds to the limitation. Another factor could be the clunky user interface (UI), a less functional Start menu than Windows 10, and several UI-related bugs.

According to Lansweeper's data, there could be more people running outdated Windows XP, Vista, Windows 8, etc., than Windows 11, and this poses a great security risk, as these operating systems are no longer supported by Microsoft for regular security updates. Windows 10, on the other hand, is eligible for them until mid-2025—plenty of time for people to upgrade hardware to meet Windows 11 system requirements, or to simply make up their mind on switching over to the new operating system. In related news, Microsoft could give the Windows 11 Start menu a functional update. Test build 22509 introduces the ability to add more pins to the menu, or make room for more recommendations. The UI could see many such minor updates.
Sources: Tech Radar PRO, HotHardware
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393 Comments on Windows 11 a Flop, Survey Claims Less Than 1% Upgraded, Microsoft Improves Start Menu

#251
Unregistered
windwhirl... It did? I thought it was just a redirect to the Start screen...
You're correct.
RJARRRPCGPIt wasn't a redirect to the "Start screen".
It did. 8.1 started at the desktop, but if you clicked the start button, it brought up the start screen.
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#252
chrcoluk
Video guide made by Tek Syndicate to add some sanity back to the UI, I see the icons can be shrunk now but that tool needs a very small and remove padding option then we getting somewhere. :) The padding on the explorer toolbar as well, just wow.


On padding skip to 20:55 (removed the direct skip link it wasnt skipping properly sorry)
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#253
lexluthermiester
weekendgeekIt did. 8.1 started at the desktop, but if you clicked the start button, it brought up the start screen.

Pretty much this. Windows 8/8.1 was a retarded mess.
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#254
chrcoluk
Yeah I used startisback with 8, it made it usable but Microsoft were guilty of the trying to tablet the OS in 8 and 8.1.

They partially backed down in 10 and I did think they had learnt the error of their ways at that point until 11 came. But it is good so many people are releasing tweaks to fix the UI already. I am reasonably confident now when the day comes I will need to use 11, it will be a comfortable experience. But I still wont move until I need to.

Of course 10 has its own padding issues check the size of this toolbar :)
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#255
ARF
My Windows 10 is perfectly fine. Windows 11 is MS' absolutely unnecessary flop adventure..
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#256
Unregistered
Well i have a perfectly small taskbar in win 11 with a proper sized clock :D
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#257
chrcoluk
Tigger
ARFMy Windows 10 is perfectly fine. Windows 11 is MS' absolutely unnecessary flop adventure..
I do as well, its just that one box that for some reason is odd lol.

Right click in explorer and choose add network location, its probably a bug.
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#258
bug
lexluthermiester
Pretty much this. Windows 8/8.1 was a retarded mess.
I still like this one better:
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#259
lexluthermiester
bugI still like this one better:
I've seen that, very cool! Kinda prefer this version though;
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#260
Liquid Cool
lexluthermiesterPretty much this. Windows 8/8.1 was a retarded mess.
LLM,

I nabbed a copy of that for my archives...:).


Here is my Start Menu...it makes perfect sense to me.



Sooner or later a fella gets tired of having to pay Stardock to correct Mafiasofts dystopian diarrhea. First with Windows 8(8.1), then Windows 10. Although...when they really started going after the Control Panel...that was the last straw for me. It's hard to like something where the developer doesn't listen to your needs.

Perhaps its because I'm older and while I don't mind change...it needs to be for the better. If it enhances productivity...fine. If it enhances confusion? Windows 11?

None of the changes they've made since Windows 7 make any sense to me and I increasingly want to level the accusation that they don't have a clue as to what they're doing...they never have. The tiles still don't make sense.

From my perspective...with one company having such a foothold in the market...it's stifling innovation.

Best,

Liquid Cool

P.S. Switched to Librewolf as of late. Excellent browser...almost ready for Prime time.
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#261
lexluthermiester
Liquid CoolSooner or later a fella gets tired of having to pay Stardock to correct Mafiasofts dystopian diarrhea.
This is one of the reason I take every opportunity to mention Open Shell(Classic Shell previously). It's open source and wonderfully excellent! Honestly, Stardock's start menu isn't very different and Open Shell has a few more options & fine grained tweaks that I love.
github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu/releases
The good thing is that it works perfectly on Windows 11 as long as you move the Start menu to the left and replace the start button with a custom one. The devs are currently working on an update for Win11. The new shell hooks seem to be a challenge, but I feel confident they'll sort it out.
Liquid CoolP.S. Switched to Librewolf as of late. Excellent browser...almost ready for Prime time.
I'll give that a try! Looks interesting. Do the extensions work the same way? That's a very important feature to me..
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#262
Liquid Cool
lexluthermiesterI'll give that a try! Looks interesting. Do the extensions work the same way? That's a very important feature to me..
LLM...

If they didn't work perfectly...I wouldn't be using it.

There are quite a few extensions I can't live without too. Currently using Ublock Origin, Privacy Badger, h264ify(to block 60fps videos), BlockTube, SponsorBlock, Feneas SearX, Gibiru, Plasma Integration, and Easy Youtube Video Downloader Express without a single hitch.



I've been watching this browser closely since day one and i like what I'm seeing here. Their recent site updates help round out the improvements. Now...just about anyone can install the browser with ease and get updates.

It's beta enough for me to daily drive it...I don't mind if they hit a curb or two...:).

Best,

Liquid Cool

P.S. I'll check into OpenShell.
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#263
lexluthermiester
Liquid CoolIf they didn't work perfectly...I wouldn't be using it.
Fair enough. Had to ask..
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#264
Space Lynx
Astronaut
Frank_100Microsoft desktop should be a standard like KDE or Gnome.

I don't believe they understand the damage they do to their brand.


I have a 5950 X machine for music production(fun) and a 7900X machine for numerical math(work).

Neither machine meets the windows 11 specks.
they don't have to understand, they know they have a monopoly for majority of games. like me, its only place I can play Endwalker. PS5's are sold out everywhere... so yeah... PC is only option, Endwalker doesn't work with Proton/Linux
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#265
cst1992
Liquid CoolNone of the changes they've made since Windows 7 make any sense to me and I increasingly want to level the accusation that they don't have a clue as to what they're doing...they never have. The tiles still don't make sense.
I hated the tile change that they made with Win8 and I hated that they got rid of Windows Aero, so on my main(old) desktop I am still using Windows 7 SP1. Yes, I know it's out of date, but still.
Here's my desktop(minus the icons):

That to the right is a software called Moo0 System Monitor(yes, really). Despite the funny name, it's quite useful to keep an eye on things and notice any problems before they cause damage(e.g. overheating CPU).

There used to be a CPU temp sensor as well, but it's showing a blank value nowadays - dunno why.
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#266
bobbybluz
I only have one evening of playing around with my new Win 11 build. It's more of a dull thud than a flop to me so far. Tonight I'll see what I can mod on it and see if I can make it usable to my needs or Win 10 Enterprise LTSC is going in.
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#267
lexluthermiester
cst1992and I hated that they got rid of Windows Aero
In many ways, Windows 11 brought the Aero desktop back. Their just not directly calling it that. It's one of the many changes I like about Win11.
bobbybluzTonight I'll see what I can mod on it and see if I can make it usable to my needs or Win 10 Enterprise LTSC is going in.
While LTSC is a good way to go, try to ignore the negative nonsense and give Win11 an open-minded go. Just make sure you disable TPM and SecureBoot. You will still have updates.
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#268
InVasMani
cst1992I hated the tile change that they made with Win8 and I hated that they got rid of Windows Aero, so on my main(old) desktop I am still using Windows 7 SP1. Yes, I know it's out of date, but still.
Here's my desktop(minus the icons):

That to the right is a software called Moo0 System Monitor(yes, really). Despite the funny name, it's quite useful to keep an eye on things and notice any problems before they cause damage(e.g. overheating CPU).

There used to be a CPU temp sensor as well, but it's showing a blank value nowadays - dunno why.
Sick ray tracing looks so life like! ;)
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#269
TheinsanegamerN
lynx29they don't have to understand, they know they have a monopoly for majority of games. like me, its only place I can play Endwalker. PS5's are sold out everywhere... so yeah... PC is only option, Endwalker doesn't work with Proton/Linux
As in 14 online? Proton DB has it listed as platinum:

www.protondb.com/app/39210

If it's an expansion that doesnt work, give it time. Someone will get it working sooner or later, especially since the base game already works, and the game does have a mac version, so getting the codebase to work on linux shouldnt be too hard.

I get it though, I have to maintain a seperate windows install just for halo infinite, and with 11 I cant use my backup system, as it's ivy bridge and cannot support windows 11. Meaning that while halo infinite still supports 10, for now, it's at the end of the road in a year or two. I'll have to buy new hardware, even though there is nothing wrong with the setup as is.
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#270
lexluthermiester
TheinsanegamerNand with 11 I cant use my backup system, as it's ivy bridge and cannot support windows 11.
Nonsense. Windows 11 runs well on every system from a Pentium4 on up. Install Windows 11 with the TPM bypass, enjoy.
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#271
bug
lexluthermiesterNonsense. Windows 11 runs well on every system from a Pentium4 on up. Install Windows 11 with the TPM bypass, enjoy.
Technically correct, but still there's no reason to bother. Win11 just doesn't do anything 10 doesn't (bonus points for phrasing). I'm still considering giving it a try on my old Skylake laptop, but I will not mess up my main rig until Micorsoft makes up its mind about these soft restrictions. Save for a few things I don't care to run on Wine, I'm spending most of my time on Linux anyway :P
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#272
lexluthermiester
bugWin11 just doesn't do anything 10 doesn't
Nonsense. Win11 does plenty. The UI is much better to use. While it has a few quirks(which are easily tweaked), it is a much better experience. Legacy program compatibility has been improved and
bugI'm still considering giving it a try on my old Skylake laptop
Do so. You need hands on to understand it better.
bugbut I will not mess up my main rig until Micorsoft makes up its mind about these soft restrictions.
They already have. While 11 will run on unsupported hardware, it will not be officially supported, which just means no official tech support. That's it. Updates still work as does everything else.

Seriously, give it an objective go and you'll see why some people like it.
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#273
bug
lexluthermiesterNonsense. Win11 does plenty. The UI is much better to use. While it has a few quirks(which are easily tweaked), it is a much better experience. Legacy program compatibility has been improved and

Do so. You need hands on to understand it better.

They already have. While 11 will run on unsupported hardware, it will not be officially supported, which just means no official tech support. That's it. Updates still work as does everything else.

Seriously, give it an objective go and you'll see why some people like it.
I will give it a try when I'll have some free time on my hands, but you have to realize that even you couldn't follow up on "Win11 does plenty" with anything other than "The UI is much better to use".
Having stuck with Windows since 3.11, I'm used to periodically learning to do the same things in a different way. But since my main driver is KDE, it's hard for an UI to impress me these days :D
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#274
BiggieShady
Hated what they did with win8 start screen, tiles and all the flatness, win10 brought back start menu but flatness and tiles carried over ... I don't know what it is, subtle gradient borders or bit of roundness, flatness is more palatable now, I actually have no issues with win11 changes - even centered taskbar as default ... works well on bigger laptops with centered touchpads, and I was so convinced I'll hate it - go figure.
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#275
TheoneandonlyMrK
Put a toe in, I'm not totally neg but damn, some of the changes are mental.
Looks a lot like Linux too odd.
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