Friday, December 1st 2023

Ethernet Switch Chips are Now Infected with AI: Broadcom Announces Trident 5-X12

Artificial intelligence has been a hot topic this year, and everything is now an AI processor, from CPUs to GPUs, NPUs, and many others. However, it was only a matter of time before we saw an integration of AI processing elements into the networking chips. Today, Broadcom announced its new Ethernet switching silicon called Trident 5-X12. The Trident 5-X12 delivers 16 Tb/s of bandwidth, double that of the previous Trident generation while adding support for fast 800G ports for connection to Tomahawk 5 spine switch chips. The 5-X12 is software-upgradable and optimized for dense 1RU top-of-rack designs, enabling configurations with up to 48x200G downstream server ports and 8x800G upstream fabric ports. The 800G support is added using 100G-PAM4 SerDes, which enables up to 4 m DAC and linear optics.

However, this is not only a switch chip on its own. Broadcom has added AI processing elements in an inference engine called NetGNT (Networking General-purpose Neural-network Traffic-analyzer). It can detect common traffic patterns and optimize data movement across the chip. Specifically, the company has listed an example of the system doing AI/ML workloads. In that case, NetGNT performs intelligent traffic analysis to avoid network congestion in these workloads. For example, it can detect the so-called "incast" patterns in real-time, where many flows converge simultaneously on the same port. By recognizing the start of incast early, NetGNT can invoke hardware-based congestion control techniques to prevent performance degradation without added latency.
Source: Broadcom
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37 Comments on Ethernet Switch Chips are Now Infected with AI: Broadcom Announces Trident 5-X12

#26
Tropick
This is cool but what they really need to release is an AI-enabled coffee maker that takes the aggregate price of bored ape NFTs weighted against the number of 5G-enabled crypto autotraders in order to provide a curated, meaningful brand experience that algorithmically purchases self-driving lithium ion short form video media to capture the positive consumer sentiment of quiet quitting via large-scale optimization of virtual influencers.

Beat THAT press release Broadcom.
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#27
R-T-B
dannyrdoes AI drop or delay 'some' data package?
You don't need AI for that.
Solaris17Sounds like a lot of "AI bad and I dont understand" in here.
To be fair, it's logical to be skeptical of a black box tech. But if we have access to the internals it can be a good thing, sure, and I trust your knowledge here.
TropickThis is cool but what they really need to release is an AI-enabled coffee maker that takes the aggregate price of bored ape NFTs weighted against the number of 5G-enabled crypto autotraders in order to provide a curated, meaningful brand experience that algorithmically purchases self-driving lithium ion short form video media to capture the positive consumer sentiment of quiet quitting via large-scale optimization of virtual influencers.

Beat THAT press release Broadcom.
Was written by ChatGPT?
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#28
bobsled
Ugh, no thanks! I don’t need more random unnecessary behaviours to account for…
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#29
dorsetknob
"YOUR RMA REQUEST IS CON-REFUSED"
G I G O = AI Generated Content
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#30
trsttte
dorsetknobG I G O = AI Generated Content
Garbage Input Garbage Output, but to be fair most systems are like that
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#31
sepheronx
bonehead123Yep, and if you didn't wipe as precisely and thoroughly as it thinks you should, it will immediately deliver a 110v shocker notification to your bum every 2.8375 seconds until it is satisfied with the results, hehehe :)
Hence why I'm happy with a bidet. I installed it so it doesn't have AI. Yet maybe it would be good if it does so it can aim the nozzle to its target better.
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#32
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
AI is just a buzzword for 'anything with a processor doing a thing'
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#33
Steevo
Ewwww.


AI better kill me quick, I'm not having it. Even the behind the scenes routines get shut down. I'm not interested in AI trained by someone else looking through my digital life and offering suggestions or help.
sepheronxHence why I'm happy with a bidet. I installed it so it doesn't have AI. Yet maybe it would be good if it does so it can aim the nozzle to its target better.
Our Bidet is a $1200 dog watering device. Seriously, I put a $600 faucet kit in to update it and we use it to give the dogs water.
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#34
remixedcat
It will even know your pap smear results before you do!!!
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#35
L'Eliminateur
Solaris17what do you mean? Do you work with these systems? This isnt the first one ever. Companies have had AI at the edge for awhile now. The primary use case is DDoS mitigation and modification of routes/ASN and other IP black holeing mitigations. All of which can be reversed or modified.

This is much faster then rule base mitigation (though most use it in conjunction) there are still inline filtering technologies like wan guard, or corero, maybe you have something from fortinet or you have your APIs tied into akami or cloudflare or noction so you can re route traffic.

Sounds like a lot of "AI bad and I dont understand" in here.


Where are you located? You telling me your network engineers are logged into a terminal watching the L3 or centurylink connection over seabone to south america? We hvent done it that way since like the early 80s. You should talk to your NOC and network engineers and get some budget to up your tooling.
This is not for border, not for wan filtering, this is clearly a internal lan only juju-tech.

networking should be KISS, the less you put on the switches the better
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#36
Steevo
L'EliminateurThis is not for border, not for wan filtering, this is clearly a internal lan only juju-tech.

networking should be KISS, the less you put on the switches the better
I get the feeling that it is going to do packet inspection and priortizing, all which could be solved with more backplane bandwidth which is whats needed to begin with.
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#37
Mussels
Freshwater Moderator
L'EliminateurThis is not for border, not for wan filtering, this is clearly a internal lan only juju-tech.

networking should be KISS, the less you put on the switches the better
Switches need to filter traffic without knowing what the traffic is. Some brains is required - AFAIK it only gets complex on managed switches with QoS, where some advanced math can help get things out faster.

"Learning" tech is impossible since they'd need local storage to record the things they've learned and no one would ever allow that because that could contain sensitive data, so the use of AI is really misleading.

What they mean is
We used simulated data instead of the real thing to save money since no enterprise would let us sniff their network data and marketing said that was an AI
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