There are many distros with much more refined package installers, like Fedora with Discover. There's no need to reinvent the wheel, imo.
Furthermore, this is the problem with Linux. Every distro wants to do its own thing, which creates chaos.

AusWolfThere are many distros with much more refined package installers, like Fedora with Discover. There's no need to reinvent the wheel, imo.
Furthermore, this is the problem with Linux. Every distro wants to do its own thing, which creates chaos.

The package installer is Pacman. This is just the assisted first time installer.

And don't laugh but this is a tech forum. It's honestly jarring.

ImoutoAnd don't laugh but this is a tech forum. It's honestly jarring.

What's jarring? Pointing out obvious problems with the operating system that I otherwise love?

AusWolfThere are many distros with much more refined package installers, like Fedora with Discover. There's no need to reinvent the wheel, imo.
Furthermore, this is the problem with Linux. Every distro wants to do its own thing, which creates chaos.

Discover is part of KDE not unique to Fedora. Its not that superior at all to others.

Honestly the only way your going to get more users onto Linux is more and more really user friendly installers and package managers as a lot of people never want to see a terminal window or use it.

[crs]Discover is part of KDE not unique to Fedora. Its not that superior at all to others.

True, it's KDE. But it's far superior to many others I've used. Bazzite's store barely has any apps, and whatever Nobara has is a nightmare to use. Mint and Ubuntu are fine, I guess.

[crs]Honestly the only way your going to get more users onto Linux is more and more really user friendly installers and package managers as a lot of people never want to see a terminal window or use it.

You don't need more. You need one that works. The sheer number of options confuses people into sticking to Windows regardless of how bad it is.

I know everyone has their own ideas that's why there are so many choices, however if we are lucky steam desktop or something similar might become a default install (easy to install, use, update, etc) for the masses and then all the other Linux lunatics power users get to use whatever they want. 🤣

[crs]I know everyone has their own ideas that's why there are so many choices,

And that is the problem I was talking about.
Everybody is obsessed with their own ideas, and nobody cares about the masses. That's how you end up with 200 apps that each serve 1 person's needs instead of a handful that cover the entire market.
As a regular Joe, it's confusing as heck. That's why Linux is still seen as "that geeky thing for geeks".
I want to see devs stick together and create something magnificent, instead of a bazillion distros, each made by 3 tech bros in a garage, each with some unique touch on some random crap.

[crs]however if we are lucky steam desktop or something similar might become a default install (easy to install, use, update, etc) for the masses and then all the other Linux lunatics power users get to use whatever they want. 🤣

SteamOS is there already. I'm running it on 2 out of my 3 PCs, as well as my Steam Machine and Deck.

AusWolfSteamOS is there already. I'm running it on 2 out of my 3 PCs, as well as my Steam Machine and Deck

How easy is it to install on a PC now? Does nvidia work well?

I don't understand all the positive buzz surrounding
" CrashOS."

Swayed by the hype, I decided to give it a try, and unfortunately, it's a mess... nothing works out of the box the way it should. I ran into all kinds of compatibility issues, and it's not user-friendly for anyone migrating from Windows.

Fedora, on the other hand, was a pleasant surprise, it works better than expected. Every piece of hardware I’ve tried on it just works, without any troubleshooting or fiddling around in the terminal. That’s the distro that deserves the most hype.

Something I learned a long time ago is use base distros Arch, Fedora and Debian and the only upstream I'd consider for home use is and I know it's highly unpopular is Ubuntu. but Mint has also a decent if not perfect record of being stable.

I've tried pretty my all distros over the last 30 years and the big names always stay relevant even if not cutting edge because as I've found out to my peril distroes like CachyOS simply take to many risks and constantly reinvent the wheel and the updates have broken my PC 3 times this year. No more I'm back on Fedora which I know is at least stable.

[crs]How easy is it to install on a PC now?

Installing it onto an nvme drive is as easy as any other distro. Download the image, rip it onto a flash drive with Rufus, boot up, fire up the installer, job done.
Installing it onto a SATA drive requires a few tweaks in a text file to force the installer to work on your sda/sdb/etc. partition instead of nvme0n1p which it defaults to.

Edit: The only catch is that there's no drive selection screen. The installer will default to your first nvme drive, so it is advised to unplug every other drive before proceeding (I do that with every OS anyway, but still).

[crs]Does nvidia work well?

No, but Valve is working on official support as far as I know.

Broken ProcessorSomething I learned a long time ago is use base distros Arch, Fedora and Debian and the only upstream I'd consider for home use is and I know it's highly unpopular is Ubuntu. but Mint has also a decent if not perfect record of being stable.

I've tried pretty my all distros over the last 30 years and the big names always stay relevant even if not cutting edge because as I've found out to my peril distroes like CachyOS simply take to many risks and constantly reinvent the wheel and the updates have broken my PC 3 times this year. No more I'm back on Fedora which I know is at least stable.

I agree 100%. I was using Fedora before SteamOS added support for RDNA 4 graphics cards, but even then I only switched due to curiosity.

DenverI don't understand all the positive buzz surrounding
" CrashOS."

Swayed by the hype, I decided to give it a try, and unfortunately, it's a mess... nothing works out of the box the way it should. I ran into all kinds of compatibility issues, and it's not user-friendly for anyone migrating from Windows.

Fedora, on the other hand, was a pleasant surprise, it works better than expected. Every piece of hardware I’ve tried on it just works, without any troubleshooting or fiddling around in the terminal. That’s the distro that deserves the most hype.

You may be doing something wrong. My experience is the opposite of yours.

PlumdBobDo you have any actual evidence to support this claim?




You may be doing something wrong. My experience is the opposite of yours.

So is mine. CachyOS runs circles around Fedora on modern hardware.

AusWolfWhat's jarring? Pointing out obvious problems with the operating system that I otherwise love?

Which problems? They are just different. My god...

You want to make it worse for a tiny bit of convenience.

Like those who welcome Epic's "kernel" anticheat so they can play their garbage multiplayer games.

Linux becoming more popular only makes unskilled people wanting to make it like Windows.

ImoutoLinux becoming more popular only makes unskilled people wanting to make it like Windows.

Exactly. If you want windows stay with windows.

I don’t even like catchy but this “boo hoo too many different things” cry me a fuckin river.

Like windows doesn’t have 299 competing thermal monitor applications lol

Solaris17I don’t even like catchy but this “boo hoo too many different things” cry me a fuckin river.

Windows - it’s MS way or the highway, even if MS way is fucking terrible - everyone complaining that this is bad.

Linux - you can set up whatever you like in any way you want with tons of choices, even if said choices can be confusing - this is also bad, apparently.

What people seem to want is one OS that does everything and is endlessly customizable and supports everything and is easy to use and and and… while I agree that would be great, theoretically, it’s simply not the reality we live in. So, unfortunately, compromises have to be made. I am not too hot on the Linux community obsessive need to reinvent the bicycle every time, but it sure beats whatever MS has been doing with their OS. If one needs to take a day out of their oh so busy schedule to RTFM - I don’t see that as an issue.

Solaris17Exactly. If you want windows stay with windows.

I don’t even like catchy but this “boo hoo too many different things” cry me a fuckin river.

Like windows doesn’t have 299 competing thermal monitor applications lol

They already have "easy mode" distros but for whatever reason the more demanding ones not doing things the way they like is a problem.

Broken ProcessorSomething I learned a long time ago is use base distros Arch, Fedora and Debian and the only upstream I'd consider for home use is and I know it's highly unpopular is Ubuntu. but Mint has also a decent if not perfect record of being stable.

I've tried pretty my all distros over the last 30 years and the big names always stay relevant even if not cutting edge because as I've found out to my peril distroes like CachyOS simply take to many risks and constantly reinvent the wheel and the updates have broken my PC 3 times this year. No more I'm back on Fedora which I know is at least stable.

I agree 100%, I also like to stick with base distros. My exceptions would be Ubuntu and Steam OS in the future. Steam OS will probably become the "flagship gaming distro", because it's backed by Valve, the company that dominates PC gaming and that is doing the heavy lifting in the Linux gaming community, so I believe that most gaming-related improvements will come to Steam OS first in the upcoming years.

I will admit that I like CachyOS's idea of shipping optimized packages and custom kernels, I hope the CachyOS community stays healthy because that's a cool differential in my opinion. But I wouldn't use it myself, Fedora is more aligned with what I want from an OS.

They did invent a new nonsense with flatpak.

Centos has a broken package manager. I saw that a few hours ago, again. That is yum.

Linux mint and ubuntu have broken package managers.

I do not know any package manager which really work in the long run. I would not mix the kernel with linux and operating systems. As long people name it wrong, the issue will not be fixed. As long when i see people with low motivation claming to reinstall an operating system, it is a clear indicator of a low quality package manager. That is also partly a fact why windows 11 pro does not have one.

I only need to read this part of the news post

CachyOS Package Installer 2.0 will launch with support for the AUR and Flatpak, alongside the regular CachyOS repos,

which shows what a mess it is.

AUR maybe is Arch linux
Flatpak maybe is new nonsense binary format which include the hole operating system, hole libraries in an outdated state = did not exists a few years ago.
Cachy repos are additional packages

the sources are not even from the same group and distribution.

flatpak.org

Build for every distro

Create one app and distribute it to the entire Linux desktop market.

Is linux running only on desktops? no. The kernel needs userspace and is not only used for desktop, not only used for market.

What i really do not want, CVE librarires form flatpak, especially in 2025 or later

Flatpak makes it easy to bundle your own libraries as part of your app.

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the issue with all those installers. You need a certain stack of knowledge. the hole claim to be beginner friendly is a hoax. Those who are not able to install and build their own computers from scratch will most likely fail. But you want to focus on those who do not even know what a partition table is and what an usb-a port is, what a binary is, how to setup uefi, etc. Without uefi it will not work. I talk about the key combination to use to boot from external boot media!

that is also the reason why windows comes preinstalled as windows 10 home OEM and most people think microsoft windows is the computer.

Secure boot setup is a pain compared to other distros where you don't have to do anything and it "just works", this will be more of a problem when anticheat support is rolled out. Also not a fan of the AUR and helper scripts given their history of being compromised. Catchy is still the most likely candidate for replacing Windows on my main PC when the time comes (90% of my multiplayer games get anticheat support on Linux or Microsoft does something truly unforgivable that can't be remedied with registry hacks).

This might have been mentioned already, but I didn't see it: Have they provided an offline install option?

Also @Space Lynx , What do you think?

And the above discussion is a manifestation of Linux in general - if there were 1 million users there'd be 1 million + 1 distros. It will never succeed until the egos get together and trim it all down to a handful. They can then sort them out properly.

I W11 for gaming but for work I started on BTOS then OpenWindows, Solaris, HPUX, MacOS, not actually touching a Windows PC until the mid 90s, so I get terminal, but Linux is a ball-ache. I can break any distro I try with no real intention to do so. All flakey af.

Looks like a reskin of Shelly (great app btw) I do like the make over they gave it, the modernized look makes the app look more inviting and consistent with default theming.

lexluthermiesterThis might have been mentioned already, but I didn't see it: Have they provided an offline install option?

This. And I want to say if the version used to install from is too old, it strongly recommends getting the latest one (I can't remember if it outright blocked me from trying to install too). And by too old, a few months.

AusWolfEverybody is obsessed with their own ideas, and nobody cares about the masses. That's how you end up with 200 apps that each serve 1 person's needs instead of a handful that cover the entire market.

On the flipside, you have something like Microsoft 365 that lots of corporations use and something going wrong with it takes out the whole world.

AusWolfAs a regular Joe, it's confusing as heck. That's why Linux is still seen as "that geeky thing for geeks".

If "Linux" is said alone without further context, I'd agree. But plenty of consumer devices run on the Linux kernel, they just don't say they're "Linux."

And for me the problem with a lot of Linux stuff is that it was clearly designed by a programmer for a programmer (themself).

AusWolfInstalling it onto a SATA drive requires a few tweaks in a text file to force the installer to work on your sda/sdb/etc. partition instead of nvme0n1p which it defaults to.

Edit: The only catch is that there's no drive selection screen. The installer will default to your first nvme drive, so it is advised to unplug every other drive before proceeding (I do that with every OS anyway, but still).

What the heck? What kind of oversight is this? Partition managing is a basic must in any installer!