candle_86Mac its so simple and user friendly we dont let you have more than one mouse button in case you click something

Fixed.

hehe

the real mac commercial should be more like this

Hi Im a Mac, and im a PC

So PC what can you do

I play games

Oh, that must be boring

No its fun actully i enjoy it

Well I can't do that, so it must be boreing

No they just deisgned you for 5 year olds, but its ok.

Wile EI'm gonna say it again for everyone that says otherwise (as it seems I have to do in every thread pertaining to Macs): Macs are NOT overpriced, with the exception of maybe the notebooks. Build a PC with the same components, build quality and features as a Mac, and you'll spend the same amount of money. Sometimes more, as in the case of the all-in-ones like the iMac. You get much less for your money by buying the PC equivalent.

EDIT: That's not to say OS X or Macs are for everyone or better in any way. There are pros and cons to both PCs and Macs.

if you use the same componanats, but i can build a system with componanats of the same QUILITY and equivlant performance for cheaper, for prebuilts......well screw them, :P

acctualy i wana see you find a mac that price for power matches this WileE
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113045&Tpk=gateway%2b8800gt

i know its a gateway, but its a 2.3gz k10, 3gb ram, 8800gt 512, 500GB hdd.
oh and these arent your old gateways, acer now owns gateway, and i havent ever had major problems with acers other then the old ones that used those weird optical drive fronts so u couldnt just swap them out.....

show me a mac that matches that at 1039.99 :)

MusselsFixed.

acctualy they now have 2 buttons on the new mice BUT they are temp sencitve clicks not machanical, so if ur hands warm/cold/wet you can have them not work properly ROFL

best reply so far!!!

spydr101 - February 14, 2008 @ 11:58 pm

1. Seems that the future of Windows development is happening largely for corporate environments and customers. I don’t take issue with this other than being someone who doesn’t live or work inside a corporate environment at home.

Yes, because Mac is targeted at gamers…… Grow out of your goddamn shell, Windows is for almost everyone. They’re not developing for just corporate environments, because most companies WILL NOT switch to vista because their software isnt Vista compatible.

2. Excellent power management in OS X. When I close the lid to my MacBook Pro, it falls asleep. When I open the lid to my MacBook Pro, it wakes up. Imagine that! Seems to be the case 99% of the time, and it happens quickly.
^has never used a PC laptop, it does the same ****ing thing. That also is a FRACTION of power management features, so he’s ignoring the other parts that both OS’s have.

3. I’m ready to experience different frustrations. OS X isn’t perfect, certainly - but I already see its noticeably more stable than Windows Vista has been. Kernel Panics at least look prettier than BSODs. :) Seriously, I just find OS X’s update schedule to be more to my liking - instead of waiting for gigantic service packs, I get minor point releases along the way to major revisions to the OS. Bugs are going to happen, but knowing that showstopping / security bugs are likely to be squished quicker gives me amazing peace of mind.

Windows updates…..apparently he has never heard of them. I have also never had a BSOD in Vista other than from me overclocking.

4. There’s more interesting, useful, beautiful, and affordable software being developed for OS X. If you still believe that there’s no software for “the Mac,” you’re simply a fool who hasn’t done his or her research.

There is software, its just the PC has the same goddamn equivalent. And I would take functionality over looks anyday.

5. VMware Fusion makes it possible to have every operating system at my fingertips (as well as every app that runs on ‘em, FTW). Performance and stability is a reality, not a dream. More importantly, with USB 2.0 support in VMware Fusion, I have near complete compatibility with any external hardware. Parallels is also there, which should keep competition lively.

Umm…hello? VMWare is on windows too, its not Mac exclusive. And most companies using virtual machines? PC.

6. I believe that the future of Windows (or any OS software layer) will be experienced in a virtual machine of some sort. People have been dual booting for years - now I can triple-task cross-platform in seconds flat.

I believe that the future of Mac will be experienced in a virtual machine - then OSX will be worth it - OSX with the cost of a PC.

7. Not to say that Microsoft or Linux haven’t made great strides in recent years, but… at least Leopard feels like only one team was developing the UI. It’s not quite perfect, but closer to what perfect should be. I’m not a huge fan of iTunes or every other Apple utility - but at least with Leopard, they’re trying to make them look and work the same way.

Really? What BIG changes were in Leopard? Windows is lacking here, but Linux is the one really taking the strides.

8. I love the fact that most programs and their associated libraries are self-contained (apps). There’s no stress in installing / uninstalling most programs, and for true cleanup jobs there’s always AppZapper.

If I was used to it, I wouldnt compain. But its so goddamn confusing because I cant access any of the files under the appications folder, limiting customization.

9. I’m not a huge fan of the Dock for task management, but Quicksilver has virtually no Windows equivalent (in terms of elegance and scriptability, although it’s still completely overwhelming to me right now). The dock isn’t a shining example of where OS X is “better,” but I do appreciate the context menu options for each of the Dock’s icons for “Open at Login” management.

Windows - task scheduler. There are also TONS of programs to write macros for keystrokes.

10. Spotlight is to Windows Desktop Search as a BMW Z4 is to a Ford Pinto (in terms of performance, usability, and UI). No contest. I’m sure some would argue the opposite, but… they’re also probably the extreme developer “but it works if you just learn how to use it right” types. Feh.

Vista can index your entire drive - makes searching just as fast as OSX.

11. The Apple community has been infiltrated by enough people who aren’t smug. You’re not better than me just because you run another OS or support another vendor, nor are you any less of a geek. Not every Windows user is a neanderthal, although some of their dated arguments would make them out to be. I think that most consumers are caught up in the idea that you NEED Windows for everything at home. You don’t.

I am better than you. Get over it. I spend 1/3 of the money on a faster PC, pirate all my software far easier, and am more productive. Me > you.

12. My iPhone is not going away anytime soon. Would I switch for better compatibility with a communications device? Not necessarily, but if the future of OS X is in the present of the iPhone… they’re going to gain consumer market share at blinding speed. Remember, I wanted to hate this device - after years of being a dyed-in-the-wool Windows Mobile advocate.

Lack of 3G, blackberry has 3x faster GSM, no tactile keys, slow browser. There are better phones and cheaper ones. iPhone is not revolutionary.

13. The spyware / malware / virus threat is diminished by an extreme degree. Not to say that one should avoid running protective layers of software or hardware, but… I’m just not as nervous when I try a new app on OS X.

3 years without any firewall (hardware firewall), no antivirus, no malware scanner. So far, I have NEVER gotten a virus on my PC, and to those I have educated, they have not gotten a virus either.

14. Many of my friends are considering making the switch as well. This dovetails nicely with my first point. I can tell you that just by showing off the fun features of CamTwist and Colloquy with my live stream, a few of those community members have already purchased MacBooks - or are strongly considering doing so in the not-too-distant future. Interestingly enough, those are two FREE apps that work amazingly better than most overpriced Windows shareware titles.

Most free software sucks. You bought a Mac to do video editing with iMovie? I didnt think so. Likewise, nobody serious is going to use windows media maker. There is also a free version of software on PC or linux that will get the job done.

15. Microsoft Windows completely abandoned its power users, period. Where are the Windows Vista “Ultimate” add-ons? Where are the new Power Toys? Why doesn’t Windows Media Player have podcast support yet (despite me telling them to integrate RSS back when WMP9 was in beta, years before podcasting was a buzzword)? I’m not saying that Windows is dead - not by any stretch of the imagination.

WMP blows. Ultimate addons were going to suck anyway. Dreamscene is not a “poweruser” feature. Give me network monitors, ip sniffers, and the liking and then we can talk. You have no idea what a poweruser is.

16. Boot Camp, if all else fails.

You bought a Mac, not a PC. I thought your OS was “sooooo great and better”?

17. A single SKU of Leopard is both 32-bit and 64-bit compatible. This, alone, is a fantastic reason to embrace the platform. It’s seamless. Why should a consumer have to come to a decision on which code to run - or understand the differences between them in the first place? Remember, I’m to be considered a “home” user.

Sure, but how many apps are 64bit? There arent enough programs written in 64bit to justify the switch on almost ANY OS. AFAIC, only video editors, and animators should really be using 64bit.

18. Time Machine. Wow. Can it really be this simple? “Simply select your AirPort Disk as the backup disk for each computer and the whole family can enjoy the benefits of Time Machine.” Do you understand what that means? And no, Windows Volume Shadow Copy is not the SAME thing.

Windows does have a full fledged backup utility.

19. Leopard’s Finder will allegedly search networked computers seamlessly, as well as allow you to access those results remotely (through a paid .Mac account, which would totally be worth purchasing at that point).

I can too. Not remotely, but 3rd party software is ALWAYS better for that.

20. Java app performance is decent on OS X, and the same code looks infinitely better when it’s not running on Windows. In fact, most third-party apps are very well designed so as to integrate seamlessly with the entire OS. That’s beyond refreshing.

Java + IE = sucks. Use firefox to justify anything. Java APPLICATIONS run seamless for me.

DarknovaWithout VMware or emulating a Windows OS? I don't think so.

No offence, but what's the point in using ANY other non-windows OS, if you've then got to emulate Windows to use certain programs....

You make a good point. :)

^ agree with all of that. this guys 'facts' are retarded.

RavenasI can play any Windows game or run any Windows App on a my Mac, but I can't play any Mac game on my PC or run Mac software on Windows (besides Safari and a few others) :cry:

sure you can, get ahold of a vmware image of osx(they are around) and you can load it right up and use mac software all you like.

ChillyMystsure you can, get ahold of a vmware image of osx(they are around) and you can load it right up and use mac software all you like.

doesnt work so well, since OSX has very poor driver support. networking in particular, is a real pain.

the network "card" emulated by vmware is VERY common, and infact by the images can be changed IF the person setting it up knows how.

and i have seen it done, and it worked fine, personaly i didnt see the point as im quite capable of getting equivlant yet better software for the pc free.

movies/encoding=mediacoder, its avalable in 32 and 64bit, offers better fetures then ANY apple encoding software, and its 100% free!!!!

RavenasI can play any Windows game or run any Windows App on a my Mac, but I can't play any Mac game on my PC or run Mac software on Windows (besides Safari and a few others) :cry:

Crysis?

Microsoft Chkdsk?

or dos games? :P

*yawns*
*looks at market share*
*yawns*

I do not care if you have a mac. Why are mac users, on average, so much louder about using macs than windows users? Windows vista is an insanely awesome operating system, and windows XP supports... Everything ever made. Get back to me when MacOS can do that.

Seriously, go find some obsolete hunk of hardware that you can't really identify in your closet, hook it up to a winXP machine, and watch it know what it is.

As far as price... *yawns* price the parts in a mac and laugh it the price discrepancy. If you somehow manage to come out more expensive, keep in mind that OEMs don't use good namebrand PSUs, Mobos, and RAM. The thought of a Mac being cost-effective makes me laugh, especially if you wind up having to buy Vista/XP in the end because your OS can't do anything.

"windows vista is ugly blah blah blah" clearly, some people have never used vista. It's extremely functional and effective at everything it does, and it does a whole helluva lot more than allow me to write blog posts that nobody cares about while browsing flickr, while listening to some rad tunes in itunes.

@Java support: platform-independent code works better on machine X than Y, amirite?

i don't care about Mac OS X however get all or most games running on linux i be there ASAP.

AsRocki don't care about Mac OS X however get all or most games running on linux i be there ASAP.

+1 to that.

I would love a clean, simple gaming OS.

candle_86let him say what he wants, untill Crysis and CSS run on mac, im staying put cause its funny to laugh at the mac noobs

Mac its so simple and user friendly we dont let you tweak it cause you might break it

Bullshit. A good majority of the Unix tweaks apply to mac. You just don't get a pretty GUI to do it, you have to go to the command line. You can delete the entire kernel with the command line if you're not careful. Yes, it's very noob friendly, but it's also tweakable to the hardcore users.

And @ Xoom - Use the same parts as a Mac to build a PC, and the price is the same. The exception being the Mac notebooks. In that respect, Macs are priced very fairly. If you don't need or want a dual socket Workstation board, and the S771 cpus and FB-DIMMs that go with it (ala MacPro), then yeah, your money is better spent elsewhere. But that still doesn't make Macs overpriced. As far as the iMac, no other all-in-one computer represents a better value. Again, if you don't want an all-in-one, then yeah, you should look elsewhere. It all comes down to what hardware you want. if a Mac has the features and hardware you want, then they represent an equal value to a PC with the same specs.

Musselsdoesnt work so well, since OSX has very poor driver support. networking in particular, is a real pain.

This is a complete and out right lie. VMWare works good, but Parallels and Boot Camp are supported to the upmost. Boot Camp is made by Apple! Networking is a problem? Apple gives you the drivers to get EVERYTHING working. Parallels also works perfectly and has no issues. Any network problem that I've head about is solved with a simple restart, and it's only a one time thing.

It never ceases to amaze me how people come up with exaggerated lies just to support their argument. No offense man, but this is just false information.

RavenasThis is a complete and out right lie. VMWare works good, but Parallels and Boot Camp are supported to the upmost. Boot Camp is made by Apple! Networking is a problem? Apple gives you the drivers to get EVERYTHING working. Parallels also works perfectly and has no issues. Any network problem that I've head about is solved with a simple restart, and it's only a one time thing.

It never ceases to amaze me how people come up with exaggerated lies just to support their argument. No offense man, but this is just false information.

it never ceases to amase me how people can read messages out of context in order to make up totally irrelevant arguments - we are talking about mac OSX on a PC, NOT the other way around.

Musselsit never ceases to amase me how people can read messages out of context in order to make up totally irrelevant arguments - we are talking about mac OSX on a PC, NOT the other way around.

Ohhh...Lol, well then, I was getting kinda pissed at that little comment. Anyway, my bad. I wouldn't recommend the OSX project to anyone, it's not worth the effort. When Apple starts distributing their OS mainstream, things will change.

XooM*yawns*
*looks at market share*
*yawns*

I do not care if you have a mac. Why are mac users, on average, so much louder about using macs than windows users? Windows vista is an insanely awesome operating system, and windows XP supports... Everything ever made. Get back to me when MacOS can do that.

Seriously, go find some obsolete hunk of hardware that you can't really identify in your closet, hook it up to a winXP machine, and watch it know what it is.

As far as price... *yawns* price the parts in a mac and laugh it the price discrepancy. If you somehow manage to come out more expensive, keep in mind that OEMs don't use good namebrand PSUs, Mobos, and RAM. The thought of a Mac being cost-effective makes me laugh, especially if you wind up having to buy Vista/XP in the end because your OS can't do anything.

"windows vista is ugly blah blah blah" clearly, some people have never used vista. It's extremely functional and effective at everything it does, and it does a whole helluva lot more than allow me to write blog posts that nobody cares about while browsing flickr, while listening to some rad tunes in itunes.

@Java support: platform-independent code works better on machine X than Y, amirite?

no that won't work, XP requires a 233mhz CPU and PCI devices, it cant understand ISA as the NT Kenal can not understand them. But most hardware built after 1995 works with XP lol

RavenasOhhh...Lol, well then, I was getting kinda pissed at that little comment. Anyway, my bad. I wouldn't recommend the OSX project to anyone, it's not worth the effort. When Apple starts distributing their OS mainstream, things will change.

yea thousands of drivers clogging it up, lots of backwards compatible code, ect.

Sounds a bit like Windows to me, but can the MacOS handle it is the question?

candle_86yea thousands of drivers clogging it up, lots of backwards compatible code, ect.

Sounds a bit like Windows to me, but can the MacOS handle it is the question?

As far as hardware and driver support yes, but I believe Apple would have to tighten up on their security if distributed to a mainstream OEM market.

candle_86yea thousands of drivers clogging it up, lots of backwards compatible code, ect.

Sounds a bit like Windows to me, but can the MacOS handle it is the question?

^ thats part of the reason i like vista, it comes with a lot of generic drivers.
"HD audio device" only the one monitor driver for digital screens, etc.

ChillyMystthe network "card" emulated by vmware is VERY common, and infact by the images can be changed IF the person setting it up knows how.

and i have seen it done, and it worked fine, personaly i didnt see the point as im quite capable of getting equivlant yet better software for the pc free.

movies/encoding=mediacoder, its avalable in 32 and 64bit, offers better fetures then ANY apple encoding software, and its 100% free!!!!

"Equivalent yet better" is an opinion. Some might say the opposite. There's some cross platform apps that I prefer in Windows, and some that I prefer in OS X. I prefer VLC and PS on OSX.

ffmpegX is essentially the Media Coder equivalent. It doesn't support quite as many codecs, but has been 100X more stable than Media Coder for me. It's also 100% free. But I like both, so i just use the one that's on the machine I'm currently using.

btarunrCrysis?

Microsoft Chkdsk?

Don't know about chkdsk, but yes on Crysis. Boot Camp allows you to boot to Windows natively. Newer MacPros even have an 8800GT option.

ChillyMystif you use the same componanats, but i can build a system with componanats of the same QUILITY and equivlant performance for cheaper, for prebuilts......well screw them, :P

acctualy i wana see you find a mac that price for power matches this WileE
www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883113045&Tpk=gateway%2b8800gt

i know its a gateway, but its a 2.3gz k10, 3gb ram, 8800gt 512, 500GB hdd.
oh and these arent your old gateways, acer now owns gateway, and i havent ever had major problems with acers other then the old ones that used those weird optical drive fronts so u couldnt just swap them out.....

show me a mac that matches that at 1039.99 :)

No, that's not near equal. The MacPros are 8 core machines now. And besides, that doesn't matter. We're not talking about similar performance for a lesser price, we are talking about trying to get the same exact parts and features for a lesser price. Not gonna happen. What you never consider is, what if a person wants a goddamned dual socket workstation system? Your build fails compared to a MacPro in my eyes. Build me an 8 core system with the same specs, performance and capabilities for less than a MacPro, then you have an argument. Until then, you don't.

lol yea alot, i laughed my ass off when the MacOS was proven vulenrable to attack, sure its not common simply because Mac users are insignifcant in the eyes of the hackers and programmers.