Tuesday, December 16th 2008

Preliminary Tests on GeForce GTX 295 Run, Leads Radeon HD 4870 X2

A Chinese technology portal, IT168 has conducted a preliminary performance evaluation of the upcoming GeForce GTX 295 graphics card. The card will be a flagship offering by NVIDIA. It will feature two G200b graphics processors. Also provided are the first pictures of the finished product, along with a burst-shot of the card and its cooling assembly. Across several game tests, the evaluation showed the GTX 295 to outperform the HD 4870 X2 by up to 80%, while providing superior power characteristics.

Source: IT168
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117 Comments on Preliminary Tests on GeForce GTX 295 Run, Leads Radeon HD 4870 X2

#1
InnocentCriminal
Resident Grammar Amender
buggalugs
I'll stick with my 4870.
Smart move, I really don't see the need for this card unless you have over a 26" monitor and want to max out your games.
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#2
Lu(ky
One thing I learned about Nvidia is that they like to "LIE THERE ASSES OFF" when it comes to benchmarks. There CEO should go to jail with all of there B.S he did months back. I am no fanboy at all. This is my first 4870 X2 Ati card ever owned. But they want us to do jump back and forth and spend our $$$ on something with very little improvements.
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[I.R.A]_FBi
inbetween all of the stress .. "preliminary" is spelt incorrectly
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#4
EastCoasthandle
In my opinion

It is hard to gauge the accuracy of this information as it appears to me to be just marketing. However, what I would watch is how AMD will respond (based on how it performs). As rumors are surfacing that Lil Dragon is ready (by whatever definition that means).

Another point of interest will be how this product will be priced. It will either be competitive or priced "as usual". This can branch off as meaning 2 things but I'll hold off on that speculation for now.

Another point of interest is the availability of the 55nm part. I recall news that nv told investors (or whoever) that 55nm was in full production.

If someone is looking to upgrade I would wait until mid Jan 2009 to see how the dust settles between this gen and next gen GPUs. In particular:
-see actual performance numbers between cards
-see how AMD responds (if it's just a price drop, for example, I would wait)
to see which way one should go.
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#5
Castiel
This seems pretty sweet. I wanna see what they get in TriSLi on crysis.
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#7
kid41212003
The link is dead, it re-directed you to the homepage, the smiling face say "this link is no longer avaiable".







J.k, I'm not sure what it said, but i think it meant that.
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#8
newtekie1
Semi-Retired Folder
mdm-adph said:
One example does not a rule make. :rolleyes:
It does when it is the only example.
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#9
[I.R.A]_FBi
newtekie1 said:
It does when it is the only example.
What about the other half of my post?
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#10
DarkMatter
[I.R.A]_FBi said:
What about the other half of my post?
It's not garbage. Nvidia cards have PhysX, Ati cards don't. It was Ati's call. That's what you will get in actual games with PhysX enabled. The chart states it clearly "PhysX Performance". It should not matter to anyone who doesn't care about PhysX.
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#11
newconroer
indybird said:
I could believe these, but the presentation is missing a lot of info.

If these cards are more than $500 they won't sell. They should probably be sold around $450.

-Indybird
Nah, let them go out at $600. 770s were $550 for a good while, and if these out do them, then noone can complain.

Unfortunatley those tests are pointless. They don't mention anything about minimum framerates.


Lu(ky said:
One thing I learned about Nvidia is that they like to "LIE THERE ASSES OFF" when it comes to benchmarks. There CEO should go to jail with all of there B.S he did months back. I am no fanboy at all. This is my first 4870 X2 Ati card ever owned. But they want us to do jump back and forth and spend our $$$ on something with very little improvements.
Uh...that's why you wait until something is released, and get the proper reviews, and I mean the PROPER ones, from actual users, not those half-brained 'independent' reviewers.

You purchased your X2 on good sources right? Or did you...
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#12
btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
EastCoasthandle said:
Odd, when I click on the link I get a blank page.


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Sorry, the page can not be open for the time being, at the same time may visit the page number of people, Please try to refresh the look of the page, or return to this page IT168
Good thing we got the pics before they became unavailable.
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#14
Selene
I think they will hit at $550-$600, then drop down to what ever teh 4870x2 is after about 30days.
I also dont trust the benchmarks, im sure there is alot of fudging their.
I do think this card will be the 4870x2 most of the time, but not all, this is based on 2x gtx260s 55nm, not the 280 as one of the ppl above said, so it will be cheaper then 2x 280s but probly about the same as 2x 260s.
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btarunr
Editor & Senior Moderator
Apocolypse007 said:
I wonder why they disappeared?
Unavailable due to excess local traffic. It shouldn't matter since it was in Chinese anyway.
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#16
mdm-adph
newtekie1 said:
It does when it is the only example.
...that anyone could bother to find.

Look -- I'm not going to turn this into another useless pissing match about whose cards are better and whose fanboys aren't as virulent. Both sides complain needlessly about the other -- both are guilty of the same things.

However, if you want to continue researching the forums to do a fanboy-complaint-vs-compliment analysis, feel free.
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#17
Tatty_One
Senior Moderator
leonard_222003 said:
Really IT168 ? those graphs look like they come straight from Nvidia , top 5 games for them are COD WW , fallout3 , far cry2 , left 4 dead , dead space.
Looks like picked games , except fallout and far cry 2 the rest of the games are not top games.
They should've picked crysis warhead , crysis , the new gta4 and i wonder why they never pick grid racer :) or nfs undercover :).
Until it's tested by 10 reputable websites we don't believe anything from the makers of CUDA.
Do you call them NVidia games because the GTX260 largely runs them faster? Whichever way you look at it....most of the newest and most popular games run better and most (not all) resolutions on a GTX260 216 as opposed to a HD4870 512MB/1GB and not all those games have "the way it's meant to be played" on the startup screen, what a reviewers supposed to do.....not test on the most popular games in case NVidia wins a few more than ATi so they can therefore be accused of running test with games only optimised for NVidia.....cmon, if the 5 most popular games at the moment are being tested then that is relevant because dont we want to see how these cards perform on games that are being played today, on todays hardware by the majority of players.
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#18
mdm-adph
Tatty_One said:
Do you call them NVidia games because the GTX260 largely runs them faster? Whichever way you look at it....most of the newest and most popular games run better and most (not all) resolutions on a GTX260 216 as opposed to a HD4870 512MB/1GB and not all those games have "the way it's meant to be played" on the startup screen, what a reviewers supposed to do.....not test on the most popular games in case NVidia wins a few more than ATi so they can therefore be accused of running test with games only optimised for NVidia.....cmon, if the 5 most popular games at the moment are being tested then that is relevant because dont we want to see how these cards perform on games that are being played today, on todays hardware by the majority of players.
I'd like to think that any game with Nvidia's "meant to be played" badge should be excluded from reviews, unless it's added with a caveat, like "this game has been programmed with Nvidia's help to work better with Nvidia hardware."

The same goes for any ATI-badged game -- can't think of one right now, though.
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#19
Tatty_One
Senior Moderator
ShadowFold said:
The reason more people are saying this looks fake and stuff us because nvidia does this stuff all the time. AMD does too don't get me wrong, they are just more likeable being the underdog and I think a lot of people want/ed to see them on top again. Nvidia was on top for the longest time..
Was?....they still have much more of the market share than ATi so keep cheering for the underdog! :toast:
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#20
Tatty_One
Senior Moderator
mdm-adph said:
I'd like to think that any game with Nvidia's "meant to be played" badge should be excluded from reviews, unless it's added with a caveat, like "this game has been programmed with Nvidia's help to work better with Nvidia hardware."

The same goes for any ATI-badged game -- can't think of one right now, though.
I see where you are coming from but personally I cant agree with ya there, if the ten most played games are never tested, then how is the gamer to know how well a card performs with them? The average consumer is not in the slightest bit interested in whether NVida pays "development costs" or supports the game with self marketing, the average consumer wants to know which card performs on which game at the lowest bang for buck. Also, bare in mind that as i said "the way it's meant to be played" does not show on all ten......also ATi does win on some benches on THWIMTBP" games.
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#21
mdm-adph
Tatty_One said:
I see where you are coming from but personally I cant agree with ya there, if the ten most played games are never tested, then how is the gamer to know how well a card performs with them? The average consumer is not in the slightest bit interested in whether NVida pays "development costs" or supports the game with self marketing, the average consumer wants to know which card performs on which game at the lowest bang for buck. Also, bare in mind that as i said "the way it's meant to be played" does not show on all ten......also ATi does win on some benches on THWIMTBP" games.
1) Never said the games can't be tested and reviewed -- just that the ones with Nvidia's badge need an added caveat. Perhaps these games could be tested on Nvidia's hardware, alone?

2) The average consumer isn't the slightest bit interested in video card reviews, either. :laugh: The enthusiast is, however -- and if an enthusiast isn't concerned that some game benchmarks may be slanted towards a certain manufacturer, they should be. ;)
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#22
J-Man
Out perform my card up to 80%... Haha, doubt it. My card is gonna be king for a long time.
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#23
pentastar111
All arguing aside...I think it will be great if it does indeed outperform the 4870 X2. The closer the compitition between the two companies, the harder they try to best each other, which results in lower priced, higher performing tech for us... :toast:
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#24
spearman914
Fake!! That GTX295 can't beat the 4870x2 by that much.
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#25
Tatty_One
Senior Moderator
mdm-adph said:
1) Never said the games can't be tested and reviewed -- just that the ones with Nvidia's badge need an added caveat. Perhaps these games could be tested on Nvidia's hardware, alone?

2) The average consumer isn't the slightest bit interested in video card reviews, either. :laugh: The enthusiast is, however -- and if an enthusiast isn't concerned that some game benchmarks may be slanted towards a certain manufacturer, they should be. ;)
OK, using your argument, no ATi card owner would get a review to show him how his card would perform on the newest games if the game said "TWIMTBP"........I doubt that would work and contrary to your beleif, i think the "average" consumer" has only a game or Gfx card review to go by before they select the once in a 2-3 year card, the guys down my street that game, not particularily hardcore have never been to a tech forum in their life, they either buy a PC mag or go to the PC Mag's online reviews to make sure their 8400GS they are considering buying will run Crysis at 1920 x 1200 :)
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