niko084Most likely.

Wonder if they will show up under gpuz.

DrPepperWonder if they will show up under gpuz.

Probably not, it's the bios that labels it if I'm correct.

DrPepperWonder if they will show up under gpuz.

GPU-Z report: "Once upon a time this little chip was headed for great things as an RV790, but one day AMD decided it just didn't have what it takes, and the poor little chip was thrown into a bin to be stripped of its fastest GPU status, to become nothing more than an RV770..."

:laugh: Couldnt resist, lol.

It will be interesting to see how these OC tho, cus that will truely show whether they have done some tweaks under the hood, or if they are just high binned RV770's.

alexp999It will be interesting to see how these OC tho, cus that will truely show whether they have done some tweaks under the hood, or if they are just high binned RV770's.

Indeed, I sure hope they do a little more than binning. But we will have to see..

I hate this Nvidia/ATI thing.. I love my onboard audio on my ATI card, not to mention the fanatically great upscaling ability. But I want the physx of the Nvidia, and I'm not gonna bomb the cash on a crap physx card.... :mad:

erockerLots of opinions considering there are no official specifications yet. I'll hold judgement to see what the GPU is really all about. Yes, it is "based" directly from the RV770, which means that physical changes could have indeed been made. After that, it all cames down to performance and on the price side of things I don't think anyone is going to be really dissapointed with that.

I couldn't agree more. :toast:
In all honesty (because information is very limited) that's not much else we can say.

Ok, from what is being said (always taken with a pinch of salt) they (whoever "they" are) saying that the 4890 idles at 59C at 24% fan speed.
source

I only hope this is accurate. Time will tell...

EastCoasthandleOk, from what is being said (always taken with a pinch of salt) they (whoever "they" are) saying that the 4890 idles at 59C at 24% fan speed.
source

I only hope this is accurate. Time will tell...

That doesn't look amazing... 59c @ 24% with a dual slot cooler...

My 4850 clocked to 705/1050 @ 40% idles at like 62c in a 72f room.

niko084That doesn't look amazing... 59c @ 24% with a dual slot cooler...

My 4850 clocked to 705/1050 @ 40% idles at like 62c in a 72f room.

I am not sure why it should be amazing. It tells me that they have power play working (or whatever they decide to call it). Besides, your fan usage is at 40% :slap:

EastCoasthandleI am not sure why it should be amazing. It tells me that they have power play working (or whatever they decide to call it). Besides, your fan usage is at 40% :slap:

I thought you were saying you hoped that fan speed/temp information was correct... Like in the idea that that would be an amazing feat if it ran that temp at that fan speed, I was simply saying I would consider that to be pretty close to normal.

My card idle at 63C at 40% fan speed.

:laugh:

The truth is, I didn't see any high-end cards idle lower than 50C with stock cooling before, it's unrealistic.

kid41212003The truth is, I didn't see any high-end cards idle lower than 50C with stock cooling before, it's unrealistic.

My HD3870 sure did, idles at about 42-44c in a 72f room, with stock cooling and fan speed left alone, I don't know how fast it was, but you couldn't hear it over my AC Freezer alone.

niko084I thought you were saying you hoped that fan speed/temp information was correct... Like in the idea that that would be an amazing feat if it ran that temp at that fan speed, I was simply saying I would consider that to be pretty close to normal.

:wtf:
Results are going to vary which I discussed earlier in this thread (IE: ambient temps, etc). In all the idle temps are good (which I hope are actually true). But we still need to see:
-load temps
-frame rates
-price when released
etc.

And as kid41212003 stated his GTX 280 (unless he was making reference to another video card) idles at 63C with 40% fan usage. So in all lets see what other leaked info (used with a pinch of salt) becomes available.

kid41212003My card idle at 63C at 40% fan speed.

:laugh:

The truth is, I didn't see any high-end cards idle lower than 50C with stock cooling before, it's unrealistic.

I think my GTX260 idles about 45 degrees at stock fan settings. Can't check because its dead.

EastCoasthandle:wtf:
Results are going to vary which I discussed earlier in this thread (IE: ambient temps, etc). In all the idle temps are good (which I hope are actually true). But we still need to see:
-load temps
-frame rates
-price when released
etc.

And as kid41212003 stated his GTX 280 (unless he was making reference to another video card) idles at 63C with 40% fan usage. So in all lets see what other leaked info (used with a pinch of salt) becomes available.

Ya, I was just confused a little when reading your post that's all. :toast:

It would be nice if powerplay worked right...
I LOVE the way my 2600 and 3870 worked, my bios worked great for them, I can't ever get one working the way I want with my 4850.

AssimilatorIt's hardly "next generation", but it should be able to reclaim the title of world's fastest single-GPU card - for now.

no way this beats a GTX285 (on the whole) however it may force nvidias hand on an overclocked GTX260 design (ie GTX275) albiet i bet 99% of GTX260 cards ever made would easily support a bios update to 648/1404/1133 or so with a slightly more agressive fan profile, thats a winner.

as for the design and overclock and whole package of the 4890 .... *sigh*

LOL nooo I want my 4870 to stay at 80C at all times, then I can pretend its a thermal give off from a nuclear reactor...

Whats wrong with the stock ati cooler? If you leave it be and not OC the thing the fan is quiet underload. But yes I get a dose of the Full speed when I boot into any OS's :D like a plane taking off.

I love loud fans, bring on the noise :) My 4830's are too quiet.. I loved how my 4850 was so loud at 100% :D

kid41212003My card idle at 63C at 40% fan speed.

The truth is, I didn't see any high-end cards idle lower than 50C with stock cooling before, it's unrealistic.

A bit of topic, but your 2d clocks aren't working for some reason (for me it's 2 displays). I get 49-51c idle with 2d clocks and so should you as I'm with 64C idle on 3d clocks now :)

kid41212003My card idle at 63C at 40% fan speed.

:laugh:

The truth is, I didn't see any high-end cards idle lower than 50C with stock cooling before, it's unrealistic.

My brother's card (9800GTX+) idles at a much lower temp than that, around 40-44 but I guess it's not high-end anymore. It was in a time, so I don't if it falls under your claim.

Anyway:

www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_295/33.html

Just took the first reference cooling card review in the front page's "latest reviews" sliding bar. The fact that it is the GTX295 just makes this point stronger: there are many high-end cards that idle at 50ºC and below. The other cards before that one are not reference and idle lower than 50ºC.

It's good to see that powerplay works this time, it's certainly a good and very necessary improvement. It was also highly expected, though. But, and I know I'm going to be flamed again, IMHO ~60ºC at 240Mhz even if it's only 24% fan speed, just only suggests that the card will be very hot under load.

Here is were that earlier information came from (regarding temps and fan speed). As with any "early released info" take this with a grain of salt.



I would simply make a profile and bring the memory clocks back down to 490MHz and your done :toast:

Meh. My 4830 with the shitty 2pin fan runs at 64c under load at 720mhz. That 4890 shot looks pretty nice tho!

my xfx 4850 idles at 44C at stock fan speed

Regarding ATI or nV rebadging right now, one must consider the state of the economy and what it takes to churn out a new architecture.

$199-$299 price point is the sweet spot at present. Polls prove it and the economy nearly dictates it. Regarding new gpu's, neither ATI nor nVidia can afford a sloppy mistake right now. Anyone read AT's article on how much was riding on 48xx's success?

It is what it is until DX11 hits. 4870 1GB and 260 are amazing cards for the money. Bump some clocks with a rework, even better. Can't wait to see gpus temps and default fan speeds though..

SteelSixRegarding ATI or nV rebadging right now, one must consider the state of the economy and what it takes to churn out a new architecture.

$199-$299 price point is the sweet spot at present. Polls prove it and the economy nearly dictates it. Regarding new gpu's, neither ATI nor nVidia can afford a sloppy mistake right now. Anyone read AT's article on how much was riding on 48xx's success?

It is what it is until DX11 hits. 4870 1GB and 260 are amazing cards for the money. Bump some clocks with a rework, even better. Can't wait to see gpus temps and default fan speeds though..

This isn't a renaming. Renaming occurs when a company literally just changes the box art, sticker and name in the bios.

This is a higher binned product similar to 7900 GTX -> 7900 Ultra or ATI's own 9800 Pro -> 9800 XT.

REGARDING PRICE

Do not be fooled by the European prices. The price is the one without taxes as the €250 price includes taxes that don't apply to those in the US, so the price is €220 which translates to $219-$229 USD for the 850 Core 4890 when you take into account average prices for the cards in Europe vs US, seeing as prices are always lower in the US.

Therefore, I'm predicting we'll see a 950 Clocked 4890 at $279 to counter the old GTX 280 sometime soon as well, as the earliest rumors foretold.

Perkam

DarkMatterMy brother's card (9800GTX+) idles at a much lower temp than that, around 40-44 but I guess it's not high-end anymore. It was in a time, so I don't if it falls under your claim.

Anyway:

www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_295/33.html

Just took the first reference cooling card review in the front page's "latest reviews" sliding bar. The fact that it is the GTX295 just makes this point stronger: there are many high-end cards that idle at 50ºC and below. The other cards before that one are not reference and idle lower than 50ºC.

It's good to see that powerplay works this time, it's certainly a good and very necessary improvement. It was also highly expected, though. But, and I know I'm going to be flamed again, IMHO ~60ºC at 240Mhz even if it's only 24% fan speed, just only suggests that the card will be very hot under load.

People, even enthusiasts will hardly ever consider heat output when it comes to buying a high end card.

1. Because its more than likely they will change the stock cooler with water cooling or aftermarket GPU cooler..
2. Mainstream users just aren't on their computer as much, I doubt they would even bother checking what AMD overdrive is and just trust the fact that their bundled computer system is perfect.

So why do you always get into irrelevant debates when you post into an ATI related thread? And I don't see how you can be so sure with the references you hand out, do you own a gtx295/285/280/260? do you own an ati 4850/4870/4870x2? :confused::confused: