NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Fermi

TheMailMan78 · Mar 30, 2010

I just found this bench which pits two 480s in SLI vs a 5970

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=17

In most cases the 5970 eats the 480 in SLI. However I chalk that up to immature drivers.

LAN_deRf_HA · Mar 30, 2010

If a single 5970 is beating a 480 SLI in some instances then the Asus ROG Ares in crossfire will probably be the fastest gpu setup in the world. Which is nice because you'll have slot room for sound/network/raid cards (vs a tri-480 setup).

Steevo · Mar 30, 2010

Trying to fake max useage and convince users that 600W is enough with a quad, lots of fans to keep a case cool, 6GB of DDR3, one HDD on SSD, and some lights, is OK untill they decide to benchmark.

Bam, system shuts down.....or fries.

At least I can still run X-fire and doubly rape the shit out of a 480.

caleb · Mar 30, 2010

Where is BF Bad company 2 performance?

crazyeyesreaper · Mar 30, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
I just found this bench which pits two 480s in SLI vs a 5970

http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,...Fermi-performance-benchmarks/Reviews/?page=17

In most cases the 5970 eats the 480 in SLI. However I chalk that up to immature drivers.

thats NOT SLI

that site is misleading look at the single gpu 480 scores in the games BEFORE that list

that final set of benchmarks are the gtx 470 and 480 VS the dual gpu GTX 295 and 5970 ie gtx 470 and 480 in single card configs vs the 2 big dogs from this and last gen

very very misleading

The charts below show a list of games that we have been testing with the GTX 480/470 and the multi GPU cards GTX 295 and Radeon HD 5970

DaedalusHelios · Mar 30, 2010

Steevo said:
Trying to fake max useage and convince users that 600W is enough with a quad, lots of fans to keep a case cool, 6GB of DDR3, one HDD on SSD, and some lights, is OK untill they decide to benchmark.

Bam, system shuts down.....or fries.

At least I can still run X-fire and doubly rape the shit out of a 480.

Who would really run a PSU close to its rating anyway. PSUs are much more efficient, and last longer when you aren't pushing them close to the limit.

jessicafae · Mar 30, 2010

W1zzard said:
like 40 mins while i was recording HD video in the hope I'd get a nice omelette

W1zzard said:
card is already on its way back to nvidia

Did you cleaned the grill, um I mean heatsink, before you sent it back?
We should be on the look out for some future forum post where someone complains that Nvidia sent them a used card because there was egg in the creases of the heatsink.... :laugh:

TheMailMan78 · Mar 30, 2010

crazyeyesreaper said:
thats NOT SLI

that site is misleading look at the single gpu 480 scores in the games BEFORE that list

that final set of benchmarks are the gtx 470 and 480 VS the dual gpu GTX 295 and 5970 ie gtx 470 and 480 in single card configs vs the 2 big dogs from this and last gen

very very misleading

The charts below show a list of games that we have been testing with the GTX 480/470 and the multi GPU cards GTX 295 and Radeon HD 5970
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/screenshots/original/2010/03/GF100-MGPU-1920.png

You're right. That does read strange. Honestly I'm not even sure WTF they are doing there. :laugh:

Velvet Wafer · Mar 30, 2010

trying to be funny again? im sure he hasnt even noticed his mistake

W1zzard · Mar 30, 2010

jessicafae said:
Did you cleaned the grill, um I mean heatsink, before you sent it back?
We should be on the look out for some future forum post where someone complains that Nvidia sent them a used card because there was egg in the creases of the heatsink....

cleaned it as much as i could (no teflon coating = real mess) .. there may be a bit of leftovers but i doubt they will be visible on any pictures

Solaris17 · Mar 30, 2010

W1zzard said:
cleaned it as much as i could (no teflon coating = real mess) .. there may be a bit of leftovers but i doubt they will be visible on any pictures

did they request it back? or are you sending it for another reason?

Delta6326 · Mar 30, 2010

LOL hahahhahaha Epic Fail i love that it's so true is the sad part

Steevo · Mar 30, 2010

DaedalusHelios said:
Who would really run a PSU close to its rating anyway. PSUs are much more efficient, and last longer when you aren't pushing them close to the limit.

Search the forums, and many of the other forums. I used to mod at a very very very busy pc help forum, about 50% of the hardware related questions were due to underpowered, or just plain mismatched components.

A 200W PSU to run a old Pentium 2 with a RAGE card, the guy upgraded his video card to a AGP 9800XT and wondered why every time his games would launch it would shut down.

Hell just look at the number of questions "Is this enough to run X card?" I just ran a couple searches and ended up with almost 400 from just two simple terms. That doesn't count the number of other things people think is wrong before they check the power requirements.

Plus we are a tech savvy site, so most know what is required.

Do we get awards for making this the longest cussed, discussed, and argued review thread?

springs113 · Mar 30, 2010

not to flame or thread crap...but isnt ATI a little too quiet ...1st off the 5970 is not a true cypress xt...5890? anyone. or what about the 2gb 5870s performance

Super XP · Mar 30, 2010

Why would ATI be loud for? It seems reviews are taking care of it. We all now know Fermi is broken and currently un-fixable

shevanel · Mar 30, 2010

Why does the 480 require 42 amps on +12?

Super XP · Mar 30, 2010

shevanel said:
Why does the 480 require 42 amps on +12?

Interesting, not sure? YOu got me curious now :confused:

shevanel · Mar 30, 2010

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130551&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-130-551-_-Product

Super XP · Mar 30, 2010

shevanel said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130551&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-130-551-_-Product

System Requirements Minimum of a 600 Watt power supply. (Minimum recommended power supply with +12 Volt current rating of 42 Amps.)

I know Fermi has a power issue but that is a lot for a GPU no?

Interesting that you need 600W power supply for 1 x GTX 480 and 600W for 2 x HD 5870's in Crossfire. I wonder if NVIDIA is ever going to fix this power issue?

shevanel · Mar 30, 2010

13A draw with 5870 18A using furkmark?

40ax12v=480w

Im not good with electrical figures but seems 750 watts should have been the reccomended but idk

I think the 42a recomendation is so that the entire system is covered by the psu and not just the gpu

some reviews had total system load @ 460-525 watts.. so that would be close to 40-42 amps afaik

and some systems are diff than others... like my i5 doesnt draw as much as my old i7 920 when oc'd

Super XP · Mar 30, 2010

Good point. How about people that have a lot of HDD's and other components that require power.

imperialreign · Mar 31, 2010

springs113 said:
not to flame or thread crap...but isnt ATI a little too quiet ...1st off the 5970 is not a true cypress xt...5890? anyone. or what about the 2gb 5870s performance

ATI has remained quiet since nVidia first started tooting their own horn over Fermi . . . (or maybe I should say, winding up their own megaphone?) . . .

Right now, I don't really see the performance difference being enough for ATI to get too worried over - especially considering the other "issues" this card is coming out of the psychiatry department with. Now, if driver release somehow *magically* fix some problems (or the card recieves a revision rather quick), it wouldn't surprise me if ATI dump a 5890 into the GPU skirmish and giggle with red-faced glee.

There were some rumours of a potential 5890 before the end of last year, but ATI have clammed up, since. I also think they're "rationing" the 5970s right now, keeping the flood gates closed (for the moment) and milking the success as much as possible.

Super XP said:
Good point. How about people that have a lot of HDD's and other components that require power.

I can't really say too much one way or the other - I'm one of those that adhere to the philosophy of having as much headroom as possible . . . I prefer to keep my PSUs working in the 50%-65% load range.

Wile E · Mar 31, 2010

imperialreign said:
I can't really say too much one way or the other - I'm one of those that adhere to the philosophy of having as much headroom as possible . . . I prefer to keep my PSUs working in the 50%-65% load range.

Yep, me too.

Benetanegia · Mar 31, 2010

Why Furmark power consumption is misleading.

I've been trying to find any info that suggested that what I'm going to expose has changed but I didn't find any so here we go:

First of all, I'm not saying that Fermi isn't too power hungry or hot, but it's definately not as dramatic as many have claimed. Most claims are based on Furmark readings, especially those who are claiming that Nvidia is lying about TDP and those readings are absolutely misleading when it comes to any brand comparison. The reason is simple, Ati cards throttle down under Furmark to prevent going too high:

http://www.techpowerup.com/index.php?69799

Renaming Furmark will no longer help as AMD succesfully "fixed" that "problem" since Cat 9.8:

http://www.geeks3d.com/20090914/catalyst-9-8-and-9-9-improve-protection-against-furmark/

But that's not all! HD5xxx cards have hardware protection (throttling when a limit is exceeded) against stress tests like Furmark and although that's a good thing for the product, since no single game will stress the cards as much as Furmark, numbers are totally misleading. Furmark numbers don't represent absolute max load as they do on Nvidia cards.

http://www.geeks3d.com/20090925/ati...on-against-power-virus-like-furmark-and-occt/

That feature in the HD5xxx series is fantastic, don't get me wrong, but fact remains true though, that such a protection absolutely denies any attempt of comparison under Furmark load as a valid point.

HD5970 throttling back:

http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/ati_radeon_hd_5970_overclocking_problems,4.html

If you look at our FurMark tests, the temperature quickly spiked from 60 degrees at idle, to over 100 degrees within 40 seconds. However to avoid crashing or cooking itself, the Radeon HD 5970 quickly throttled the core frequency to 550MHz, which reduced stress temperatures to just below 90 degrees.

20mmrain · Mar 31, 2010

imperialreign said:
ATI has remained quiet since nVidia first started tooting their own horn over Fermi . . . (or maybe I should say, winding up their own megaphone?) . . .

Right now, I don't really see the performance difference being enough for ATI to get too worried over - especially considering the other "issues" this card is coming out of the psychiatry department with. Now, if driver release somehow *magically* fix some problems (or the card recieves a revision rather quick), it wouldn't surprise me if ATI dump a 5890 into the GPU skirmish and giggle with red-faced glee.

There were some rumours of a potential 5890 before the end of last year, but ATI have clammed up, since. I also think they're "rationing" the 5970s right now, keeping the flood gates closed (for the moment) and milking the success as much as possible.

I can't really say too much one way or the other - I'm one of those that adhere to the philosophy of having as much headroom as possible . . . I prefer to keep my PSUs working in the 50%-65% load range.

Altought Supposedly ATI has already started there next gen card...... and will most likely be out before Fermi is fully released. This means that ATI would have another reason not to be worried about the performance difference..... Even if there are some Driver improvements with Fermi......Or any type of improvements for that matter.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour-ati-s-next-generation--southern-islands/8722.html

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