Vega, Massively faster than GTX 1080 in DOOM 4K.

[Ungari]

So you've never tried one? It's obvious you haven't. It's still good for 1080p now, although there are now much better options. But before Pascal and before the RX 480, it may have been one of the best all-around performers and fairly affordable.

The majority of sales for it came AFTER the 3.5GB fast VRAM info became public, because it was something a) mostly invisible to most users, and b) the performance is so good that word of mouth sold people. You'll find most user reviews people were aware of the memory divide, and took a chance anyway based on others' good experiences. And they in turn overwhelmingly were not disappointed.

So maybe you are the one uninformed.

So, you are saying that purchasing a GTX 970 today, when custom AIB RX 480 4GB currently sell for less cost on Newegg, is an informed decision?
Even the 3GB GTX 1060 models are under $200, and the GTX 1060 6GB only $239?

 

[HD64G]

Something relevant to both Vega (and its CGN arch) and Doom: https://www.overclock3d.net/news/software/unity_engine_s_5_6_beta_adds_vulkan_support/1

 

[rtwjunkie]

No, @Ungari you stated anyone who HAD bought one is uninformed. I merely stated why it became popular and that it is still a decent card that will play most anything thrown at it at 1080p. Just because there are better purchases out there doesn't negate what it is capable of or make it bad, because honestly, most of the newer cards are overkill for what people play anyway.

Anyway, back on to Vega 10.

 

[cdawall]

Most people don't buy used cards so I don't understand the argument...

 

[RejZoR]

I don't consider myself "dumb people" and I have bought used GTX 670 (that died after 2 weeks) and then I got 780 ti and that one is OK. I don't even blame Nvidia for the failure. If I had blame Nvidia that would be dumb. So please stop putting everybody into the same basket with your point of view. Reason for me to buy used since I'm waiting for Vega. don't wanna buy Nvidia overpriced GPU's and in my opinion they are. (but that's just my opinion).

BTW if you make opinions bring them to the table but don't make opinions about other people and what were their reasons for buying used cards since you don't know that.

And for the 3rd time, my statement still stands correct. Because you didn't blame NVIDIA for the failure, that makes you excluded from the list of dumb people.

 

[Ungari]

Most people don't buy used cards so I don't understand the argument...

I'm talking about the people who are buying new GTX 970s even to this day.
Newegg currently have them priced over the 1060 3GB and RX 480 4GB.
How this is relevant is that even if Vega is superior and at lower cost, these people will still buy Nvidia.

 

[cdawall]

I'm talking about the people who are buying new GTX 970s even to this day.
Newegg currently have them priced over the 1060 3GB and RX 480 4GB.
How this is relevant is that even if Vega is superior and at lower cost, these people will still buy Nvidia.

People still purchased Intel Pentium 4s when athlon 64s mopped the floor with them. This isn't new and it won't make or break AMD.

 

[thesmokingman]

People still purchased Intel Pentium 4s when athlon 64s mopped the floor with them. This isn't new and it won't make or break AMD.

Apparently if you think it and make a video and post it on youtube, its revolutionary.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Not this kind of hyper train again. Kill it, kill it with fire!

 

[Ungari]

People still purchased Intel Pentium 4s when athlon 64s mopped the floor with them. This isn't new and it won't make or break AMD.

Perhaps, but it certainly will not help them with the deficit they face in R&D funds as compared to Nvidia, and Intel.
And this type of behavior by the gaming public has been the primary reason AMD has struggled financially in the past.

 

[thesmokingman]

Not this kind of hyper train again. Kill it, kill it with fire!

You can't kill things with fire once seen on the internets!

 

[cdawall]

Perhaps, but it certainly will not help them with the deficit they face in R&D funds as compared to Nvidia, and Intel.
And this type of behavior by the gaming public has been the primary reason AMD has struggled financially in the past.

The majority of the gaming public uses amd. There are more console gamers than pc.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

Not buying this. In DX12/Vulkan vega should be faster than 1080. In old DX11 games there is just no way it can beat 1080.

 

[rtwjunkie]

And this type of behavior by the gaming public has been the primary reason AMD has struggled financially in the past.

Then for an AMD fan you are seriously uninformed of the reason for AMD's financial troubles. Years of mismanagement and bad decisions. They actually owe more than they are worth.

 

[Ungari]

The majority of the gaming public uses amd. There are more console gamers than pc.

Great point!
But if it were a choice between AMD consoles, and Nvidia, or Intel consoles, which do you think would be the most prevalent?

 

[Ungari]

Then for an AMD fan you are seriously uninformed of the reason for AMD's financial troubles. Years of mismanagement and bad decisions. They actually owe more than they are worth.

Heavy injection of cash-flow from sales will cover a multitude of bad management decisions, and always have.

 

[64K]

And this type of behavior by the gaming public has been the primary reason AMD has struggled financially in the past.

So now gamers are to blame for AMD's fall? Possibly it was AMD that made bad decisions ever since 2006 when they paid far more for ATI than it was worth.

Ungari, do you work for AMD?

 

[Ungari]

So now gamers are to blame for AMD's fall? Possibly it was AMD that made bad decisions ever since 2006 when they paid far more for ATI than it was worth.

Ungari, do you work for AMD?

No, and No.
The awful purchasing decisions made by the majority of average casual gamers have led to a market that has been rapacious in it's pricing, and in the case of Intel, retarded performance gains in their releases.

 

[rtwjunkie]

@Ungari I have never seen anyone more in denial and with such a rectal cranial inversion. AMD's troubles are almost entirely self-made. For such a fan, you should be much more in tune with their financial numbers and history.

 

[Ungari]

@Ungari I have never seen anyone more in denial and with such a rectal cranial inversion. AMD's troubles are almost entirely self-made. For such a fan, you should be much more in tune with their financial numbers and history.

I would see a doctor, as you could benefit from a strong laxative.
Nvidia has made many decisions that normally would have hurt a company, i.e. Ramgate, 1060 3GB version (GTX 1055), Founders Edition, GeForce Experience telemetry, etc..
But the masses have been hypnotized by this company, and suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

 

[thesmokingman]

@Ungari I have never seen anyone more in denial and with such a rectal cranial inversion. AMD's troubles are almost entirely self-made. For such a fan, you should be much more in tune with their financial numbers and history.

1 Billion in losses in 2012... omfg, you can't deny that kind of loss away.

 

[the54thvoid]

Not buying this. In DX12/Vulkan vega should be faster than 1080. In old DX11 games there is just no way it can beat 1080.

Arguably, depending on the game engine and it's use of hardware, Fury X was close and often level with stock 980ti. So top tier AMD and top tier (almost) Nvidia were close.
Or in another sense, Fury X beat the 980. The 1080 replaces the 980. So it's easily inferred, if the next card from AMD is the top one, it should potentially best the 1080.
I'm bloody counting on Vega beating 1080. If it doesn't, shit, those that buy top tier are screwed.

 

[phanbuey]

so 10% on a game where AMD is faster is really not alot... the vega and the 1080 are going to be trading blows depending on the game... in DOOM vulkan AMD performs excellent, but then in Dishonored 2 is a different story.

Look at the FuryX difference between the two... Arguably DOOM is the best performing AMD game, so if the best case is a 10% victory; then in the games where the Fury X is getting spanked by a 1060, then the Vega will still lose.

 

[thesmokingman]

Look at the FuryX difference between the two... Arguably DOOM is the best performing AMD game, so if the best case is a 10% victory; then in the games where the Fury X is getting spanked by a 1060, then the Vega will still lose.

To be fair, the dishonored fps is unplayable so it's a moot point. The dx11 angle, it might play out that way (there's a good chance given the history) or it might not. It's still way too early to tell. And given what unpossbility AMD was able to pull off with a 40% and higher IPC increase with the raisins, who knows what they can do with vegans?

 

[phanbuey]

To be fair, the dishonored fps is unplayable so it's a moot point. The dx11 angle, it might play out that way (there's a good chance given the history) or it might not. It's still way too early to tell.

I just used that resolution to be consistent, but the scaling actually gets worse for AMD as you go down (since they perform better as the rez increases)....
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Performance_Analysis/Dishonored_2/4.html


Point is there are always games that are outliers; and a 10% boost on an outlier game doesn't mean a whole lot (just like a 1060 is nowhere near the speed of a Fury X, but voila - there it is ahead of it in a AAA title that's a contender for game of the year). Probably also why they are not pushing battlefront benchies, even thought that was part of the demo.